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bees everywhere posted:I was annoyed at how Chambers died, because it seemed like the whole crew was 20 feet away with their weapons at the ready but nobody fired a shot and they just stood there watching her. Either run away or shoot the zombies, people! It was insanely dumb. The sequence preceding it was very original, though. although now that I think about it, I am legend had something like it
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bees everywhere posted:Silent Hill, too Oh poo poo! That's right! drat Zack.
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Goatstein posted:Have you guys ever considered that the apparent lapses in logic are maybe because this is a zombie movie starring a wrestler directed by a moron Ex-wrestler.
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2house2fly posted:Such as? Being John Malkovich
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Guy A. Person posted:lol so they literally made a motivation up in their head then argued against it? wtf? The movie is called Army of the Dead.
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2house2fly posted:Most armies don't have the goal of taking over the earth You're right. The zombie army was thinking along arbitrary boundaries like borders, state lines, or districts.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:There's one army in Army of the Dead and they weren't zombies (except that one guy in the intro for about 5 minutes before he decides to go AWOL) bushisms.txt posted:There's not a single hint the Zeds were trying to leave, where is this coming from? They couldn't leave and Zack never showed them trying, but there's zero reason to try and grow if you aren't trying to leave.
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Detective No. 27 posted:The zombies seemed like they'd be able to figure out how to get past the border wall if they wanted to, but there really wasn't any indication that they wanted to. Kinda lazy to give them no motivation.
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bushisms.txt posted:So there's zero evidence on screen of what you say despite and the movie implies they don't have to feed/rely on humans while using the sacrificed to build their society. You're saying they don't know how the coyote gets in? Or that they let witnesses to their amassing an army come and go since they don't give a poo poo? It's funny, Snyder is supposedly unsubtle by definition and yet "man is the real army of the dead" hasn't crossed your mind as literal yet. You're right. Man being the real army of the dead makes a lot of sense. Genius poo poo. I love that the zombies not knowing how coyote gets in is the unbelievable part. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Are they trying to grow? I mean this appears to be circular reasoning. They must be trying to escape because they're trying to grow. They must be trying to grow because they're trying to escape. It really doesn't matter if it is circular because it isn't a philosophical argument and we are, ultimately, trying to make sense of a nonsensical script. Now, as to the question of whether they are trying to grow: they are turning people and there is no question about that. The reason I say they are trying to grow isn't because "they're trying to leave". I say it because I see them doing it. So it hardly seems circular. And what is the purpose of their growth? If it isn't trying to leave then there isn't one, because there's nothing there and zero reason for growth since they can't die off. The heat clearly negatively impacts them. Or at least it does the shamblers, as the coyote explains. But there isn't much space in which to take shelter, making their attempts to grow even more nonsensical if they aren't doing it in order to leave that biome. bushisms.txt posted:Ummm Zeus kills humans ONLY because his wife and zombie baby were killed. Compared to... Brains. He turns humans. That is killing them and the only reason he doesn't just TAKE them is due to tributes. Hell, even post wife final death, he turns coyote. Presumably. Judakel fucked around with this message at 04:39 on May 27, 2021 |
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It seems pretty obvious that Zeus is the only one that can make alphas and get female alphas pregnant. The shamblers must be the product of the alphas.
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bushisms.txt posted:Borrowing the adoption theme Snyder seems to gravitate towards, I can see the Zeds as a commune, not unlike MOVE in Philly, who adopt the unwanted from the society that imprisons them. In that way, they're not trying to go anywhere just improve each other, which snyder has confirmed zeus juice does, this brings to mind segregation vs seperation. Detective No. 27 posted:It might not even cross one's mind that the zombie society is more or less content with what they have. They're not trying to expand and grow at an unsustainable rate. Zeus runs an anti-capitalistic society at heart. This thing cannot be both a commune and anti-capitalistic while also having classes like the shamblers and the alphas. That makes no sense.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:They don't need shamblers for anything, aren't creating shamblers, and the shamblers we see are basically all dormant. To what extent would you say shamblers are a "class" in this society? a group being a class is not contingent on being necessary for anything and i am almost certain alphas can only make shamblers, otherwise it is unclear where shamblers come from. Like he says: John Wick of Dogs posted:If you consider the alphas a completely different species than the shambler, then of course they want to grow. There's only like 100 of them or a little more. The shamblers are basically an underclass and most of their interactions is snarling at them to get the gently caress out of the way. bushisms.txt posted:You need to tell us what the shamblers are producing for this to make sense. Because we know the alphas don't give a poo poo about them being killed, what is the serfdom for? where are you people getting that they need to produce something to be a class? The point is that it isn't a flat, anti-capitalistic, commune structure. There is a hierarchy of groups. None of them can produce anything but arguably security, which they all produce. But they do not all have equal standing. Only one is shown to produce something else: babies and alphas. The rest seem to produce only security and arguably shamblers. Judakel fucked around with this message at 05:02 on May 27, 2021 |
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bushisms.txt posted:You specifically said What do you need help with? Check the last page for my edit if you can't figure it out. Like, do you not see the fact I am talking about someone who mentioned "anti-capitalistic" or what?
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Their only real value is flak. If not for the tens or thousands or more of them, there would be a much more feasible military solution to taking their kingdom back Eh I see your point, however I wasn't saying that they are anti-capitalistic. That is buddhism's gently caress up. I am arguing against that notion simply because anti-capitalistic implies no hierarchies. bushisms.txt posted:That's literally my point. They're not producing and consuming, so they can be a commune and anticapitalist. And my point is that they do not have to produce anything and still have classes. Some communes might, but the general idea is that they do not have hierarchies or classes. The entire point is sharing responsibilities.
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bushisms.txt posted:sorry but real world dictates there's gonna be a heirarchy. Let's say you start a commune, are you really expecting to not be heard just a bit more as the progenitor of the project? It's in human nature, huh? Anyway, the entire concept behind a commune is taking the concept of communism and applying it on a micro-scale. Some communes sell excess goods to outsiders and use the cash to buy tools they can't produce. That's about it for stepping outside communism. There are very few of them. Detective No. 27 posted:You're thinking in human terms. Zeus is creating a new society, one not known or understood. It working or making sense is irrelevant. That's possible. Hard to say given what we're shown. Judakel fucked around with this message at 05:20 on May 27, 2021 |
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bushisms.txt posted:Well yeah, that's the killing joke, Zeus was trying to be different but in the end perpetuated the cycle by leading a murderous zombie horde like in every other movie. It isn't human nature. I was just making fun of that style of argument.
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bushisms.txt posted:Well how is anything in this movie divorced from human nature? Even the "cartoonish" army men at the beginning are very on the nose. We don't know what human nature is and I have no idea why you think you do.
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bushisms.txt posted:Ooof, okay you haven't said anything. Have a great night. I've said plenty, but you just think you have. If anything their society mostly resembles a lower primate one, not something more enlightened.
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Sarkozymandias posted:You seem to have missed the references to 2001: A Space Odyssey and Planet of the Apes. No, we can absolutely use common sense to fill in some minor blank spaces in the script. They're not depicted trying to leave the city because they're surrounded by freight containers stacked two-units high.
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teagone posted:Common sense also suggests the alphas are smart enough to know how to leave, but choose not to. So...... How would they leave if they don't know the entrance the coyote uses. teagone posted:I mentioned it earlier, but yeah, Coyote straight up calls Vegas their Kingdom lol. Inferring that Zeus and his alphas want to leave their kingdom is just, I dunno, stupid? Not sure how else to describe. There is no other good explanation for their desire to grow. inferring that someone wouldn't want to grow their kingdom is, i dunno, stupid? And before someone says there is no evidence that they have a desire to grow, I'd remind you that taking offerings is a pretty intelligent way to grow. If you wanted to keep people out, you'd attack everyone that entered the zone and either kill them or drive them out. That's a pretty effective way to get no bodies to add to your army, because you'd get no excursions. Accepting offerings allows you to grow pretty steadily as a result of implicitly encouraging furthering incursions. It also allows to minimize risk to your army. That plan went belly up with the heist. Judakel fucked around with this message at 19:13 on May 27, 2021 |
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:*Zeus is shown standing confidently on a 150 foot high replica of the Statue of Liberty that he personally summited* Way easier to climb that using its deteriorated bits. teagone posted:Growing your commune and wanting to leave it are two separate ideas. Vegas is big, and Zeus has a pretty solid deal there (unbeknownst to him he's about to get nuked because America). It isn't really a commune and why grow it given the hostile weather and lack of suitable space for the shamblers. Guy A. Person posted:On how to leave: create a makeshift bridge from a nearby tall building, construct some kind of ladder or even a rudimentary ramp by piling up debris (or even other zombies if they are all under his thrall), search the perimeter for weak spots like the velociraptors in JP. The entire point of the shipping container wall is that the people who built it assume that these are mindless zombies who won't even be able to use the most basic of strategies like stacking stuff to climb on, this goes out the window with Zeus's intelligence and strategic use of tools. No buildings seemed to be close enough for that, but they could've stacked up some tables and slot machines against the wall. The thing that makes me feel like desire to grow has be part of a greater plan is the hostile environment and lack of suitable space. The shamblers need not just indoor space, but apparently dark and quiet. The vast, open floors of a casino that open to the outside are less than optimal for them, so they're left with kitchens and, we can assume, dark hotel rooms, dark conference halls, etc. All the poo poo you'd generally find in Vegas. I like your idea that he was experimenting with how to create better zombies. We never see him do anything but turn humans, though. I am not going down the "snyder made rapist zombies" discourse, because there doesn't seem to be anything there. Zeus must've realized that shamblers were just not suitable for the environment he was in and alphas were more successful, so I am sure he was curious about how the kid would turn out. But the conception of the child was borne out of a real relationship and he appears to have mated with no one else. It is entirely possible that they realize food might be a concern and might need to develop a farming system akin to Daybreakers, but they really just like warm meat. Given that most of them won't be alphas, and out of the ones the alphas/shamblers kill some will be completely destroyed, I am not sure they should worry about food. I am not even sure they need food. The shamblers shut down, and the alphas are constantly mobile, but never shown to be eating for hunger's sake. This all bolster the idea that nanomachines are the "infection", much like the dilution of sapience from Zeus, to alphas, to shamblers, does. There doesn't seem to be anything replicating a virus inside their bodies. Judakel fucked around with this message at 20:12 on May 27, 2021 |
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teagone posted:Nothing in the film suggests Zeus wants to preserve or is concerned with the wellbeing of shamblers. His priority seems to lie solely with his pack of alphas. Shamblers are key to their survival as zombies thrive with numbers on their side. Megaman's Jockstrap posted:If you were an Alpha and wanted to grow the tribe for conquest you would just go over the wall at the concentration camp and congrats on your 1000s of new recruits. I mean, it ain't easy to go over the wall.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Zeus literally Superman jumps in his first scene. Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Zeus literally throws a metal spear hard enough to impale somebody to a concrete wall at 40 feet. He breaks a Scott's arm-bone in half with pure strength, and that takes about a ton of force. Zeus could use a couple of pieces of jagged metal as pitons and climb the outside of the storage wall with relative ease, and if he used multiple pitons he could leave a set of hand-holds for his flock. The idea that 20 feet of corrugated metal weathered by the Vegas climate could stop this maniac (who punched his way out of a damaged vault container) is, I am afraid, not supported by the film. Oh stop it. Motherfucker is superman now. teagone posted:The Olypmus alphas seemed to be doing just fine without shamblers The alphas aren't numerous enough to make a horde and that is still key. Zeus didn't make little helmets for all his alpha buddies, so they're kinda hosed. I have no idea about intra-zombie civil wars, I just know they clearly have some hierarchy.
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If anything, the lack of shamblers bumbling about enabled the alpha culture to thrive. No shamblers = no zombie wars.
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Sarkozymandias posted:“Saddam Hussein had children. As we all know, the only explanation for growing your family is a desire to invade the world. The only logical course of action would be to break into his big money safe and steal all of his uh Weapons.” With one exception, they weren't family and, in fact, he very much did not care about the shamblers. Embarrassing take.
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Sarkozymandias posted:You’re preoccupied with the imagined care levels of the zombieman, and failed to perform an even rudimentary interpretation of the movie. You of all people should know that a familial relationship is not based on unconditional love or caring. The level of care shown is kind of integral to the idea that he wants to expand his family. He doesn't give a crap about shamblers. He isn't reproducing with anyone except one person. Alpha creation could be a sign of family expansion, but he doesn't particularly care much for them either beyond their ability to serve. They're a tribe, not family. These relationships are different. Accusing an immigrant of xenophobia is an all-time take. You're a deranged idiot.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Immigrants becoming themselves xenophobic is a fairly well-known phenomenon. That is usually a phenomenon reserved for their descendants. The accusation is completely uncalled for and an ad hominem. Their method of growth requires the "death" of a human, so they are necessarily hostile to humans. As far as we know, only Zeus has been capable of finding another way to reproduce. There is no reason to assume that the alphas Zeus creates can impregnate anyone. Whether they are an existential threat to humanity largely depends on their ability to reach areas outside of their biome. It is unclear whether they spread far beyond the deserts of the west coast. As we saw, they do not do particularly well out in hot environments. There would most likely be problems in freezing environments, too. There is no evidence they are a family unit in any sense that has been anthropologically catalogued - traditional or not; you are begging the question. They most closely resemble a tribe.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The main part that people find objectionable about this (though certainly not the only part) is the basic assertion that these characters have a innate rapacious drive to “spread” like rats and consume all available resources, ultimately doing a ‘white genocide’ on humanity. Your rhetoric is lazy and intentionally provocative, which is typical for you. You've already granted by omission that they're not a family in any sense of the term, so now you're moving to talk of "white genocide". Comparisons to growth of human groups (and ignorant fears of replacement) are unwarranted because those are not a zero sum game, but zombification is a zero sum game. The fact most zombies are born out of a human death is self-evident. All the basis for their expansionist mindset is there, in the text, and I've discussed it at length already. People finding it objectionable that they do have this drive is not a testament to the idea that they do not have this drive. It makes for interesting conversation, though. Judakel fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jun 11, 2021 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Nothing is ‘granted by omission’; we could say that the zombies are brothers in Christ - or anything - because anyone even tangentially aware of Fast And The Furious knows that ‘family’ is a pretty elastic concept. Then don't omit counterpoints. I am not surprised you think it "only benefits me", because I am certain you have no real point to make beyond ad hominems. And yes, we're doing this. Tribe has an anthropological meaning and it isn't my fault that you're too much of a dunce to know that. Now, anthropology certainly has ethical issues to contend with, but one of them is not the fact they use the word "tribe" to describe a certain societal structure. The alphas do as Zeus commands. Their disinterest in biting someone could be entirely due to this and because Zeus wants to keep offerings coming - a point that I have already made and you've stupidly ignored. What is the purpose of offerings if they have no interest in expansion? They're not a family, after all. If they didn't want to expand, couldn't they accept something else as an offering besides a human that they then turn? They clearly have culture of some type, so offerings could be items, if it weren't for the purposes of expansion. Part of the problem is that your arguments for "racism" aren't based on anything in the text and my argument for expansionism is based on that, so while you can try to cast me as a bigot who seeks to indulge safely in racist fantasies, your arguments do not line up with the movie very well. They are most certainly not mindless, as evidenced by their calculation that attacking everyone who enters cuts down on the number of people entering and offering tributes, and they are very obviously interested in expansion by virtue of accepting those very same tributes. All these lazy, terrible arguments emerged from you, and yet you are unwilling to take responsibility for them. Roth posted:Excited to see how well the latest attempt to own SMG goes Swimmingly. Judakel fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Jun 19, 2021 |
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ruddiger posted:Zeus commanded the zombie tiger to take a nap on the hood of that car. This is canon. The tiger is not an alpha.
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2house2fly posted:tiger confirmed for shambler Tiger is its own mutation of the virus. While viruses can affect multiple species without a difference in structure, their symptoms/severity are pretty different most of the time. For example, the coronavirus family. This has the same outcome on a tiger and a person? Not the alpha variant. Of course, this is only if we assume it is a virus after all... Judakel fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jun 19, 2021 |
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DeimosRising posted:No we really don’t, the term “tribe” is broadly considered both analytically vague and terminologically outdated, in large part because of its colonialist connotations and its use in legal settings to refer to something totally different than the cultural evolution concept. I don’t see anything in the film to indicate the zombies have a social structure that would correspond to a traditional elman service esque tribal concept anyway The term tribe is still used in anthropology and taught in anthropology classes to this day. SuperMechagodzilla posted:We’ve all been on the internet long enough to not be fooled by this stuff. You could have spent two seconds on Wikipedia: It would be wonderful if you could go beyond wikipedia and learn that it is still taught to anthropology students to this day as a descriptor of a certain level of societal complexity. For someone who does armchair film analysis in your inimitable sophistic style, I think you ought to cool it by taking others to task for doing "armchair" anything. Also, because your source is wikipedia of all things. No need to paraphrase all the things you just read in order to establish some "knowledge" of anthropology after you just embarrassed yourself. As you said: they aren't a clan and we both know it. Well, I know it and you just read it. The zombies have a common ideology, a common culture, are large in numbers, and are settled for the time being. They are a tribe. They are most definitely not a clan, for all the reasons you paraphrased from some source on the web and due to being far too large. No one is muddying the waters, you just didn't know what a tribe was in an anthropological context and - because your theory that I am racist is what drives your argument - you've now decided that me explaining what it actually meant was some rhetorical play on my part. My actual point had nothing to do with the definition of tribe, your understanding of the term was simply used as another way of attacking me, so it had to be addressed. No one has a problem staying focused here but you, because you're the one presenting a completely fictional narrative about my argument. Now, let's move back to the actual discussion and not get further sidetracked by your need to both declare things racist and speak on things you do not know. Yes, that is what expansionism is reduced to when you take into account that they simply cannot get out and there is no other reason to want to grow this tribe given the environmental conditions present and space restrictions. All points that I have already argued before you joined in the discussion and I must now repeat to you. Were he to be able to get out, he could expand beyond a tribe, he could expand territory under his control, etc. All of which would necessarily require a genocide. And we know Zeus is interested in all of this not simply because of the tributes he keeps getting, but also because he decided to turn most of Las Vegas into zombies for no other discernible reason. Zeus has already committed a genocide. One which also happens to be a pretty solid point on the "expansionism" column, but you didn't really think about that, did you? Just like you didn't think about the fact they were locked in. On your comment about the tiger, I'd like to simply point out the nanomachines do not need to work any differently on the tigers in order to work as they do. I know you wanted to take a shot at me with that comment, but I have no idea what you're thinking. The nanomachines were clearly part of a super-soldier program meant to enhance certain tissues like muscle and bone while lowering the metabolism of a host - thus lowering their temperature and the need to feed. We see evidence for both in the movie. Something went wrong and the nanomachines entered the central nervous system, resulting in lower cognition. Zeus was clearly on his way to being disposed of because of this. Nothing about this necessitates that nanomachines work differently on the tigers, but obviously if it were a virus (which it isn't) then it would be necessary that it be a different strain. That was my entire point to that other poster. By the way, none of the talk about the tiger was originally in reply to you! So it wasn't a counterpoint! You're too much of a dunce to know what counterpoints are, too? SuperMechagodzilla posted:So are we talking “ancient ideals”, “western ideals”, or “fascist ideals”? I am making no leaps of this sort. In fact, you have not shown that I am making any leaps. The best you could come up with is the idiotic statement that they are not expansionist because they aren't going anywhere. Conveniently ignoring the fact that they cannot! That is just lazy on your part. Halloween Jack posted:Fascism is best understood along two dimensions: Zeus cannot possibly be a fascist because his "people" do not have free will. He does, but he can be no more a fascist than a hive can be fascist. When he looks over Las Vegas with his recently-turned zombie soldier followers, it is clear that they are not in control, but he is. In all likelihood, this is simply something to do with the nanomachines. Whatever the case, you need agency among a population before you have any form of fascism. He is, however, a genocidal monster. Quite literally. They aren't victims in any sense, except perhaps once they were victims before they were turned. But no longer. Judakel fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Jul 3, 2021 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That is not the definition of “tribe”. That most definitely falls within the definition of tribe. I can tell you were going off of your own knowledge because you did not know what tribe meant. You don't need to do any research for me because I actually studied it. Thank you for verying that the use of the term tribe remains in use as a technical shorthand, which is what I utilized it as. You have, once again, granted me my point. The zombies in the film are clearly self-divided into different communities, with shamblers and alphas being distinct and living apart. Yet they still belong to the same tribe. Their inability to speak in a way we can understand might be part of the reason they do not have a name, but anything conscious and with that level of cognition names itself. Are you suggesting they are animals? I doubt it, since you seem to think they are smarter than that. You really need to stop pretending you know what you are talking about. There is no minor expansionism, there is simply expansionism and what it is reduced to when one cannot physically escape an enclosure. The fact that they do not have enough room to place many of their tribe and yet continue to transform humans makes their expansionist mindset the most parsimonious explanation. You've already lost this argument multiple times. First, you start by saying that they're a family, which you quickly give up on before shifting the goalposts to claiming that expansionism is not what they are doing; you did this without realizing that I've already stated multiple times that they cannot physically expand, but their goal is clearly to do so given their behavior and the lack of suitable space for shamblers and alphas. Not many people shift their goalposts to be LESS contradictory to their opponent's point. DeimosRising posted:I did a quick and informal check of some of my colleagues who teach anth101 or similar courses (I asked in a group chat). None of them teach this term except in an historiographic sense, explaining the changes in thought on cultural evolution. I’d be interested in when/where you’re seeing classes that are still teaching band/tribe/chiefdom/state as a model A quick google search reveals multiple links to multiple universities using it on their course sites and excerpts from slides used in courses. Judakel fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Aug 21, 2021 |
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Simply Simon posted:You worked one and a half months to formulate the most perfectly tedious post nobody in their right mind would read, huh It doesn't take that long to dismiss SMG. I just forgot.
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Aug 21, 2021 20:40
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