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Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

I've not tickets for Friday night. It'll be my first theatrical movie since Birds of Prey. And poetically, the last movie I saw in this particular theater was Man of Steel. I can't believe I have something to look forward to on a Friday night again.

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Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

I watched it in theaters last night. It was a great film. I don't want to get into spoilers. So I'll give two thoughts. This was the first zombie film where I thought "I wonder what the zombies are planning." The other thing is that this is the dynamic between Deiter and Vanderohe.

Edit: There is no after credits sequence.

Detective No. 27 fucked around with this message at 17:43 on May 15, 2021

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Martman posted:

I liked the billboard advertising Larry Fong as a magician. At least I think I read that right...

"Larry is Magic!"

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

smellmycheese posted:

At the risk of nitpicking I’m going to say I think it suffers from Snyder not being able to get rights from the A List casinos. It all adds to the lack of any actual Las Vegas feel to a film about a zombie heist in Las Vegas ( bar one perfunctory shootout in a set full of slot machines)

It’s kind of odd that the Luxor is in there branded but we get “Olympus” instead of Caesar’s Palace. Soderburgh managed to get the Bellagio onboard for Clooney robbing it blind, couldn’t Zack have sold Caesars on some goofy zombie fun? It might have meant we ended up with a better safe too rather than a rerun of Raiders of the Lost Ark (still only the second worst Indiana Jones ref in the movie)

This is intentional. It wasn't about getting the licenses. The alpha zombie sees the Zeus statue, takes the name, and makes Olympus his home, while also making demigods/children both literally and figuratively. Later on he fights Van, who represents the Omega (even has the tattoo). Van later emerges the vault, Tartarus, reborn.

Also who care about the logistics of the zombie moving too fast around Vegas? Jurassic Park has some scenes that don't logistically make sense, Speilberg knew and said "gently caress it" because it made the movie flow better.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Movies earns the ability to do that. This one didn’t.

How many points does a movie need to earn the ability to break reality "convincingly?"

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

It's really easy to see a screenshot on Twitter of the closed captioning listing the song playing and think "what a baby" but what's lost is that most people forget that music is an audio medium. Snyder is a music video director and is excellent at using music for vibes.

The cover of Viva Rock Vegas in the intro is very on the nose, but it's perfectly used. Richard Cheese adds to the ironic humor, turns the zombie war into a rip roaring time. Then he passes the song to Allison Crowe where the song becomes more sincere. The focus shows more of the personal loss and emotional toll. It ends with the final container sealing off the Vegas border wall, while also smashing the Soccer Mom and child. The container dropping is simultaneously Looney Toons funny and tragic.

The use of Zombie in the finale is pretty effective. It's a cool down. I thought it was a good musical cue.

On a wider note, I usually only see complaints like this whenever the song being used is a Gen X darling. Gen X is too sensitive about their music.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

ruddiger posted:

When’s Army of Thieves scheduled to come out? I’m rewatching the opening and drat do I want to see more of the fall of Vegas.

Sometime late this year.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Tanaka Owns the casino. Why did he need someone to pick his locks? Couldnt he access that information somewhere?

If he gave them the lock code they would open the lock quickly and get the money. That was never his intention.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Someday you will find a plot hole free zombie movie with super genius rational characters.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

SlimGoodbody posted:

This is an unfair and hyperbolic response to a reasonable desire that some might have for a film's decisions to feel at least somewhat relatable as a first step for viewer buy-in. Many people in this thread have pointed out that the movie operates on dream logic as a means to rationalize the many strange things that happen, so another person noting that and saying it rubbed them the wrong way is neither an unfair nor invalid assertion.

Not really. There's a long tradition of people throwing "plot holes" as a criticism without elaborating on what those plot holes are. It's Cinema Sins syndrome. "Idiot characters" is a similar critique. It's the film watcher equivalent to an being armchair quarterback. The smartest character in the movie was the one guy who left team before they went to Vegas.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

bees everywhere posted:

I just wanted to express my disappointment in the movie without spending the afternoon writing up examples and defending my position. Here's one example for you though:
Why stage an elaborate fake vault heist when you could just find some mercs and offer them $50 million for a super zombie's head? Instead Tanaka was relying on his one guy to double cross everybody and somehow acquire and escape with the head by himself.

This one has been discussed here. I won't fault you for not wanting to read 14 pages before posting. Because capitalism. If Tanaka was transparent about his true motivation, how would be be able to ensure the mercs don't get the head and sell it to a higher bidder? It's typical bad guy poo poo to keep the amount of people who know the real goal as small as possible. Dilahunt might have safely gotten back to Tanaka if it weren't for his hubris. (The team's heist might have gone without a hitch if it weren't for him, but that's neither here nor there.) Also it's been demonstrated that the military can't do anything competently, so sending them is a no go.

TLDR: Tanaka is a capitalist and got where he is by treating people as disposable.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

The REAL Goobusters posted:

Guzman didn’t just walk it off. You can see how distressed he was and didn’t know what to do in the moment. The body guard guy is yelling to leave her in that moment. He’s in real pain after he shoots the gas tank and it’s Scott who had to pull him back into the mission.

Yeah. Guzman had a real deer in the headlights moment. He's wrestling with what to do and Martin's in his ear telling him it's a lost cause. There's no way he could make a clear rational decision under that pressure.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

STAC Goat posted:

Ok, well the last part is an assumption. It might be "right" assumption (or its possible there is no "right" assumption because its just a question that has no written answer) but its not one I personally take to. After all Coyote is presumably presented to us as a sympathetic, relatively moral character. The person we see her betray and sacrifice is given no characterization at all except to make him evil and he's only added last minute by her (which just raises more questions). She's presented as being righteously disgusted by him and carrying guilt about Greeta and helping Martin betray and endanger the group, to the point where she ultimately sacrifices herself. So to me that character seems different from one who would constantly betray and murder people. Not to mention that if she did constantly either rope in a random ICE agent nearby or betray one of the members of the party paying her you'd think that would eventually get out and affect her reputation since it is heavily suggested many of her customers do come back. So to me that's a bit of a problem. Either the character is a ruthless killer sophisticated enough to somehow avoid consequences to this point who conveniently develops a conscience all at once upon us meeting her, or there's just a lot of unexplained details about her methods and the nature of these zombies. And the latter is pretty much an established part of the film so that's my default to go with personally. And the former just feels like bad writing of a different kind.

It has been a few years since I took a world mythology class in community college but from what I remember, the Native American coyote trickster god was morally ambiguous.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Coyote definitely a double meaning. In keeping up with the Greek mythology used in the movie, she's also been compared to Charon, the ferryman who takes newly dead souls to the world of the dead.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Goatstein posted:

Have you guys ever considered that the apparent lapses in logic are maybe because this is a zombie movie starring a wrestler directed by a moron

:actually: you would know that Bautista is not a wrestler sports entertainer anymore because he was forced to retire when he lost his match against HHH at WrestleMania 35.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Alternate version where the plan went fine and they got to the helicopter: "Oh no we can't bring it all. gently caress it, bring as much as can fit."

Plot hole filled.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

The zombies seemed like they'd be able to figure out how to get past the border wall if they wanted to, but there really wasn't any indication that they wanted to.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:

Are they trying to grow? I mean this appears to be circular reasoning. They must be trying to escape because they're trying to grow. They must be trying to grow because they're trying to escape.

But, past the initial outbreak, the movie depicts neither them actively seeking exponential growth nor does it depict them seeking escape.

It might not even cross one's mind that the zombie society is more or less content with what they have. They're not trying to expand and grow at an unsustainable rate. Zeus runs an anti-capitalistic society at heart.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Judakel posted:

This thing cannot be both a commune and anti-capitalistic while also having classes like the shamblers and the alphas. That makes no sense.

You're thinking in human terms. Zeus is creating a new society, one not known or understood. It working or making sense is irrelevant.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Olympic Mathlete posted:

The thing Coyote mentioned about the shamblers coming back to life when it rained was interesting and I was disappointed nothing was done with it. It seemed like the most obvious and potentially entertaining manner to have a horde (or army if you will) gently caress up any survivors.

In this instance, she was BS'ing them. As someone who lives in the Southwest I can confirm that a zombie outbreak is more likely to happen than rain. Water falling from the sky? The gently caress???

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

If they were trying to escape, Coyote would have been the character to say so. Even Jurassic Park has a line about the raptors nipping at the electric fences, testing for weaknesses. There's none of that in AoTD. Instead, we see Zeus look up at the Zeus statue by Olympus in reverence. He's home.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

They might want to grow, but Zeus isn't trying to expand at unsustainable rates. Slow, long time growth over rapid short term quarterly profits.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Zeus literally Superman jumps in his first scene.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Judakel posted:

Oh stop it. Motherfucker is superman now.

He wore a cape and had bullets bounce off of his face. It's not subtle.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

As we all know, nobody likes long movies.

Oh look, Netflix says that 72 million households have watched the 2.5 hour long Army of the Dead.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

It is more or less true. To get into spoilers, the main zombie, Zeus, is more akin to a vampire than a zombie.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

We do be living in a society.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

74 million autoplays.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Here's a good article about how Wagner's The Ring Cycle is incorporated in Army of Theives.

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Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

They may mean Army of Thieves, in which case I agree. 5 is, at most, a posse.

I'm sure the banks have more than five employees.

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