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Dr. Kyle Farnsworth: Apr 23, 2004

Lmao how is Marxism going to beat global capital when it can't even beat fyad

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apropos to nothing: Sep 5, 2003

im an IK in fyad and a marxist. this is how dialectics work btw.

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ArfJason: Sep 5, 2011

Misato: shinji kun watch out!
Control room guy: its a class R angel!
Fuyutsuki: the moderator has arrived... May god have mercy on us all.
*angel starts hitting self and rushing head first into buildings*

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ArfJason: Sep 5, 2011

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Lux Anima: Apr 17, 2016; Dinosaur Gum

f j a s o field??

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Lux Anima: Apr 17, 2016; Dinosaur Gum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nWhQO6joQs

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Emmideer: Oct 20, 2011; Lovely night, no?; Grimey Drawer

drat, the old thread dying and the new one popping up is just like when stalin replaced lenin

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Ansar Santa: Jul 12, 2012

the old thread is dead and the new thread refuses to be born. now is the time of shitposts

# ? May 16, 2021 03:30

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

Raskolnikov38 posted:

mods and ferrnius gently caress off

everyone else discuss marxism. i'd link the old OP but some dumbass decided to move the old thread to FYAD and they nuked it. so great job modding you loving morons, just real stellar work all around.

does anyone have the old op�s reading list still? that was a good list and i was slowly working through some of it

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mawarannahr: May 21, 2019; Can't post for 5 hours!

fart simpson posted:

does anyone have the old op�s reading list still? that was a good list and i was slowly working through some of it

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reading list from McCaine, reposted from C-SPAM's favorite tankie:

McCaine, by way of Homework Explainer posted:
this isn't the complete list (found here). i removed most of the non-essentials and some of the essentials, too. because sadly, we can't all be academics.

i'll put a next to the really really important stuff so you know what's a Top Pick from your old pal, the homework explainer

as far as "what should be read first," i would start with the basics i.e. marx and engels. go for the manifesto then maybe socialism utopian or scientific, then have at whatever. i started closer readings of marxist texts on the subjects most interesting to me, namely film, theater and literature and have since moved into histories and revolutionary theory. there isn't a "right path" for reading or texts and nobody but the most vulgar of dorks will look down on you for not having read something, because no one and i mean no one has read all this stuff.

A Very Personal Communist Bibliography

Works by Marx and Engels
The Condition of the Working Class in England (Friedrich Engels) � Classic of Engels; early political economy, lively description of, well, the condition of the working class in Manchester and elsewhere in 1844.
The German Ideology & Theses on Feuerbach (Marx/Engels) � Don't originally belong together but are often combined. First "Marxist" book, programmatic statement of historical materialism.
Manifesto of the Communist Party (Marx/ Engels) � Needs no introduction.
Preface to a Contribution to a Critique of Political Economy (Karl Marx) � Very brief, abstract, but famous summary of historical materialism. Only half a page.
Capital (3 vols) (Karl Marx) � Get the Penguin editions. Marx's critique of political economy.
Socialism: Utopian or Scientific? (Friedrich Engels) � A summary of the Anti-D�hring, classic statement of the significance of scientific socialism.
The Civil War in France (Karl Marx) � Marx's interpretation of the Paris Commune.
Critique of the Gotha Programme (Karl Marx) � Programmatic statement of the differences between Marx and Engels' views and those of state-oriented (left) social-democrats.
The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (Karl Marx) � Not as essential perhaps, but a classic of Marx's own history-writing, and thereby an example of what he and Engels considered good political history. Many memorable quotes.
The Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State (Friedrich Engels) � An anthropological, historical materialist view of the early societies and the origins of the various structures of oppression and exploitation out of them. Perhaps the first feminist ideas in Marxism also.
Grundrisse (Karl Marx) � Again, get the Penguin edition. Marx's drafts, notes, and outtakes for Capital, as well as various musings on technology, political economy, labour, and so forth. Essential for the deeper level grounding.
Political Works by major Marxist politicians and secondary literature on the thought of major Marxist politicians
The Essential Works of Lenin (Lenin; ed. Henry Christman) � Cheap Dover edition of Lenin's main works in their standard English translations. Includes "The Development of Capitalism in Russia;" "What is to be Done?;" "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism;" "State and Revolution." These are Lenin's canonically major theoretical publications on political topics in his own lifetime.
On Practice and Contradiction (Mao Zedong; ed. Slavoj Zizek) � Mao's two main early texts on his theory of contradictions and their resolution in political practice. See also "On the Correct Handling of Contradictions Among the People" and Combat Liberalism. and here's a Homework Explainer Top Tip: don't read zizek's introduction to the texts if you opt for this edition. it'll gently caress up your understanding of mao big time!
Selections from the Prison Notebooks (Antonio Gramsci) � Selection of Gramsci's ideas on hegemony, ideological struggle, politics, etc.
The Black Panthers Speak (ed. Philip Foner) � Collection of the major texts of the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. (note: revolutionary suicide is also cool.)
The Autobiography of Malcolm X (Malcolm Little; ed. Alex Haley) � Major political autobiography by a great American revolutionary.
Left-Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder (Lenin) � Lengthy polemic, in the form of a series of thematic essays, by Lenin. Aimed against his Left Communist opponents, in particular in Germany and the Netherlands.
On Guerrilla Warfare (Mao Tse-Tung) � Mao on waging people's war. Rather abstracted and probably not of great use for most First Worlders, but still.
Thomas Sankara Speaks (Thomas Sankara; ed. Michael Prairie) � Collection of the (few) speeches and statements by Sankara, revolutionary leader of Burkina Faso, on anti-imperialism and the like.
it's not on the original list, but i'd also recommend "on the opposition" and "anarchism or socialism?" by one j.v. stalin.
Marxist (and other useful) political economy, history of economics, and the like
The Limits to Capital (David Harvey) � Lengthy analysis of the nature of capital and capitalism based on Marx's "Capital," with a particular focus on uneven development and geographical distribution.
A Companion to Marx's Capital (David Harvey) � Based on his YouTube lectures, a guide to the reading of Capital, mainly vol. 1. Strong on the conceptual structure of the book and the contradictions inherent in capitalist accumulation, including money and finance, but not as good a guide on value theory.
Debt: The First 5000 Years (David Graeber) � Anarchist anthropologist Graeber's magnum opus on debt, money, obligation, and the history of economic institutions. Rewards a careful and critical reading. Not a Marxist text and by no means wholly reliable, but very stimulating and original, destined to be a classic.
Reclaiming Marx's Capital (Andrew Kliman) � Important, if technical, work on Marx's value theory. Refutes 99% of all the objections to it you'll ever hear or read.
History, historiography, etc., except of topics specified elsewhere
Late Victorian Holocausts (Mike Davis) � A provocative title, but don't let that put you off. Brilliantly puts the liberal political economy of 19th and early 20th century imperialism and colonialism in context, shows its murderous implications many times worse than the "monsters" of communism, and relates all this to the emerging science of systems theory besides. Will make you hate economic liberalism, however nice sounding, forever.
Settlers: Mythology of the White Proletariat (J. Sakai) � Essential classic of Third Worldist theory and the Marxist theory of settlerism. Not reliable on every detail, but a revolutionary work in every sense of the word.
Labour Aristocracy: Mass Base of Social-Democracy (H.W. Edwards) � Another major text of the Third Worldist viewpoint. Makes the crucial argument for the origins and nature of social-democracy as arising out of imperialist rent.
Age of Revolution 1789-1848, Age of Capital 1848-1875, Age of Empire 1875-1914 and Age of Extremes 1914-1989 (Eric Hobsbawm) � Perhaps the authoritative Marxist history of the modern age in four successive parts. An essential reference point for debates in Marxist interpretation of the recent past.
Open Veins of Latin America (Eduardo Galeano) � Essential reading on the colonization and underdevelopment of Latin America.
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (Ilan Papp�) � Not Marxist per se, but a standard work on the origins and nature of the settler state Israel and their oppression and exclusion of the Palestinians, with of course major repercussions in global politics.
King Leopold's Ghost (Adam Hochschild) � Popular anti-imperialist history of Belgian colonialism and the colonial debates.
Philosophy and Theory
Aesthetics and Politics (Adorno, Benjamin, Bloch, Brecht, and Luk�cs) - Great Verso collection of the debates between these major Marxist philosophers before the war on aesthetic and political topics.
The Dialectic of Enlightenment (Adorno and Horkheimer) - Fundamental text of the Frankfurter Schule: reflections on fascism, liberalism, and technology in the wake of the Holocaust.
The Society of the Spectacle (Guy Debord) � Perhaps the central text of the Situationist movement and in some ways the most serious theoretical reflection on the worldview of 1968 (it was written in 1967). See also Comments on the Society of the Spectacle, though this is not as interesting.
Orientalism and Culture and Imperialism (Edward Said) � Not at all Marxist, but obligatory classics on understanding Eurocentrism and orientalism in culture and ideology at a conceptual level.
Postmodernism: The Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism (Fredric Jameson) � Difficult, but rewarding classic on postmodern culture from a Marxist viewpoint.
Jean-Paul Sartre: Basic Writings (Jean-Paul Sartre; ed. Stephen Priest) � The father of Marxist existentialism on freedom, art, politics, etc.
Lenin and Philosophy and Other Essays (Louis Althusser) � Can't stand him personally (note: smdh), but by many Althusser is considered a major figure in postwar Marxist history and philosophy.
Liberalism: A Counter-History (Domenico Losurdo) - Excellent historical analysis of liberal thought from a Marxist perspective, showing its essence, strengths, and limitations.
Illuminations: Essays and Reflections (Walter Benjamin; ed. Hannah Arendt) � Selection from the best essays by the great messianic Marxist thinker Benjamin, including his essential pieces �The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction� and �Theses on the Philosophy of History." Top Tip: you only really need to read the two named essays, which i . namaste.
The Wretched of the Earth (Frantz Fanon) � Classic statement of anti-colonial Marxism, on the need for revolutionary violence against colonialism, etc. See also "A Dying Colonialism."
Black Skin, White Masks (Frantz Fanon) � Fanon on racism and the psychology of colonialism.
On the USSR
Farm to Factory (Robert C. Allen) � Brilliant work by a major liberal economic historian demonstrating the enormous superiority of the Soviet planning policies of the 1920s and 1930s, up to Khrushchev's time, compared to any realistic alternative. Will shock your worldview if you're used to the Western portrayal of Soviet economic policy as hopeless from the start.
Ten Days That Shook the World (John Reed) � The canonical novelization of the experience of the Russian Revolution.
not on the original list, but "is the red flag flying?" and "human rights in the ussr" by al szymanski and "socialism betrayed" by roger keeran and thomas kenny are also what i'd consider essentials.
On China and Korea
The Transformation of Chinese Socialism (Lin Chun) � Great book on the attempts to build socialism, development, and national unity in the Maoist period, and the changed aims and methods in how these are dealt with in the Deng period and since.
The Rise of China and the Demise of the Capitalist World Economy (Li Minqi) � Marxisant world systems analysis of the rise of capitalist China and how this not only reorients the world system towards Asia, but also further contributes to the decline in the rate of profit and thereby forces capitalism to the limits of its ability to expand.
Fanshen and Shenfan (William Hinton) � In-depth, personal chronicle of the transformation of a Chinese village during the Maoist period and after.
Race to the Swift (Jung-En Woo) � On Korean development, and why it had everything to do with planning and imperialism and little with miracles of the market.
The Korean War (Bruce Cumings) � Progressive standard work on the forgotten war.
Red Star Over China (Edgar Snow) � Popular and readable narrative of the Communist struggle in China against the KMT, landlordism, and the Japanese in the 1930s.
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lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020; The hotter, the wetter, the better

quote:

IF YOU'RE ANGRY ABOUT CHEETO HITLER, GO ORGANIZE AND GET ACTIVE!

lmao

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Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

lumpentroll posted:

lmao

2016 was a different time

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Algund Eenboom: May 4, 2014

Personally speaking I call him "Drumpf." A good reading which came out recently is The Principal Contradiction, by Torkil Lauesen, which is about dialectics

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Yossarian-22: Oct 26, 2014

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lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020; The hotter, the wetter, the better

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Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

The Making of the English Working Class by EP Thompson should be in there, it's a good read

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MLSM: Apr 3, 2021; by Azathoth

fart simpson posted:

does anyone have the old op�s reading list still? that was a good list and i was slowly working through some of it

I like this one for beginners https://www.amazon.com/Essential-Te...ps%2C271&sr=8-1

The communist manifesto - Marx
Socialism: utopian and scientific - Engels
State and revolution - Lenin
On practice - Mao
On contradiction - Mao
Foundations of leninism - Stalin

After that, read capital

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Algund Eenboom: May 4, 2014

Instead of going to amazon.com, you should go to marxists.org. In this tropers opinion

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fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

Algund Eenboom posted:

Instead of going to amazon.com, you should go to marxists.org. In this tropers opinion

thats where ive read most of this stuff from, yeah

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AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

lumpentroll posted:

lmao

Socialism was created in 2016

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AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

fart simpson posted:

does anyone have the old op�s reading list still? that was a good list and i was slowly working through some of it

This isn't the OP but this was another good reading list I found.

Also here's the MLM course that the naxalites(CPI (ML)) use as a study guide.

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The Voice of Labor: Apr 8, 2020

Algund Eenboom posted:

Instead of going to amazon.com, you should go to marxists.org. In this tropers opinion

about a year ago I saw copies of the marx engels reader, which is pretty good and allows you to fit a surprising amount of communism in your cargo pocket or rucksack and read it when capitalism turns off the power or the internet, at like every goodwill and used bookstore I went into

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Lux Anima: Apr 17, 2016; Dinosaur Gum

When I was 18 I went to China and I bought a sick green canvas messenger bag with a red star on it and it had a solid metal strap inserted in the bag's "spine" and it lasted for loving ever holding my giant-rear end ancient 2004 laptop. Welp that's my story thanks

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mark immune: Dec 14, 2019; put the teacher in the cope cage imo

ArfJason posted:

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lol

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Quotey: Aug 16, 2006; We went out for lunch and then we stopped for some bubble tea.

What is meant by scientific Marxism?

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mark immune: Dec 14, 2019; put the teacher in the cope cage imo

here come the new marx
same as the ol marx

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Quotey: Aug 16, 2006; We went out for lunch and then we stopped for some bubble tea.

ArfJason posted:

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lmao

# ? May 16, 2021 05:37

Trash Ops: Jun 19, 2012; im having fun, isnt everyone else?

flavius fuckass must be demodded

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Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

finally ate my first probe in seventeen years of posting because flavius is such a bad mod he's ended up at war with the forum he's supposed to moderate, so now I feel free to post that flavius is a retard

is this the dialectic

# ? May 16, 2021 05:54

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Algund Eenboom posted:

Instead of going to amazon.com, you should go to marxists.org. In this tropers opinion

major works are helpfully available in a wide variety of free ebook formats. it�s really great!

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Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Zodium posted:

finally ate my first probe in seventeen years of posting because flavius is such a bad mod he's ended up at war with the forum he's supposed to moderate, so now I feel free to post that flavius is a retard

is this the dialectic

to be the slightest bit fair I assume their thinking was �fine if it wants to be a fyad thread it can be one� without stopping to consider how fyad might think of the subject

# ? May 16, 2021 06:07

tokin opposition: Apr 8, 2021; The dialectical struggle of history has always, essentially, been a question of how to apply justice to matter. Take away matter and what remains is justice.

Flav should be made admin imo

Anyway who's bringing the weed to the next postmodern marxists meetup? (Puff puff pass is a social construct made to control the working man)

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e-dt: Sep 16, 2019

whats this threads thoughts on Michael Heinrich .

# ? May 16, 2021 06:23

John Charity Spring: Nov 4, 2009; SCREEEEE

Raskolnikov38 posted:

to be the slightest bit fair I assume their thinking was “fine if it wants to be a fyad thread it can be one” without stopping to consider how fyad might think of the subject

this is really funny all round

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Hodgepodge: Jan 29, 2006; Can't post for 242 days!

it was nice when there was a thread where people put some effort into reading marxists and talking about communist history

somehow the mods managed to take a situation where a poster had a problem with another poster who happened to post in that thread mostly and instead of just resolving that they destroyed the thread completely

good work all around, i love all of you so much

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Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

flavius aetard

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Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

apropos to nothing posted:

since the old threads in fyad you all better be nice to me or ill destroy your asses. oh, and i might also give you 6 hour probes

i thought fyad was cool kids and today i learn it was actually full of cowards when i tried to reply to the thread and it's already locked lmao

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Dongicus: Jun 12, 2015; Can't post for 32 minutes!

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scary ghost dog: Aug 5, 2007

Truga posted:

i thought fyad was cool kids and today i learn it was actually full of cowards when i tried to reply to the thread and it's already locked lmao

you can reply to any of the threads that are actually in fyad instead of trying to reply to one in the fyad gas chamber. ganbare

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