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I dunno if there are modernized English editions that are highly regarded, but I understand that companion guides can be extremely helpful in that sense (If English isn’t your native language or you are fluent in another, it’s kinda funny/ironic that translations are very good in that regard, as editions are reviewed more often in comparison and they modernize the language)
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Mar 31, 2024 23:10
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this is coming out later this year but I have no idea if it’s any good or worthwhile https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691190075/capital
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Mar 31, 2024 23:15
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386-SX 25Mhz VGA posted:Is there a version of Capital rewritten into modern English style prose for dummies like me who have to re-read every sentence five times to parse what he’s saying? No work out your brain. Working through complex sentence structure like this will make everything else a breeze. You are Steven Seagal in Hard to Kill. You've been in a coma. Train yourself up. Get stronger.
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Mar 31, 2024 23:18
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even better than that: you have others to help you along. A comradeship of posters who have nerded the poo poo out of those reads and more, eager for opportunities to slam their keyboards about this stuff as an outlet
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Mar 31, 2024 23:24
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should have let bill cook
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Mar 31, 2024 23:25
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I really struggled to stay engaged with Capital last time I tried, but I have better ADHD meds now and I’m inspired by lurking this thread’s encouragement, so it’ll be up next after I finish this sci-fi fluff…
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Mar 31, 2024 23:27
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Zodium posted:should have let bill cook how long can you let someone microwave a hot dog
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Mar 31, 2024 23:27
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marx repeats everything multiple times so if you don't catch something the first time, you'll get another chance
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Mar 31, 2024 23:50
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What happened to the read-along? We were doing discussions per chapter. Whose doing that still? What chapter we on? Let's read some loving Capital, bitches.
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Apr 1, 2024 00:26
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386-SX 25Mhz VGA posted:Is there a version of Capital rewritten into modern English style prose for dummies like me who have to re-read every sentence five times to parse what he’s saying? 
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Apr 1, 2024 01:03
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PopZeus posted:this is coming out later this year but I have no idea if it’s any good or worthwhile the twitter blurb i saw describing this was boasting that it would (this is a paraphrase) "finally take the book out of the hands of its devotees and give it to the masses" so i am inclined to be extremely suspicious
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Apr 1, 2024 02:07
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PopZeus posted:this is coming out later this year but I have no idea if it’s any good or worthwhile
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Apr 1, 2024 04:51
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he's joking, that's a totally different book from Marx's capital lol I've not read it but it sounds like it's just a big explanation of why capitalism creates inequality and not a comprehensive explanation of the foundations of economic reality like capital vol 1 is
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Apr 1, 2024 05:01
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386-SX 25Mhz VGA posted:thank you! No dont
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Apr 1, 2024 05:06
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386-SX 25Mhz VGA posted:Is there a version of Capital rewritten into modern English style prose for dummies like me who have to re-read every sentence five times to parse what he’s saying? Here you go
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Apr 1, 2024 05:11
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PSA: just because there's that title, do not read Piketty, because he chose that title and a deliberate act of egocentric grandstanding and has little to do with Marx lmao
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Apr 1, 2024 05:22
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:No work out your brain. Working through complex sentence structure like this will make everything else a breeze. annoying archaic language and other obfuscations getting in the way of understanding something isn't useful or productive and no socialist should have that attitude. theres a 100% chance of there being soviet or chinese textbooks out there which explain marxist theory but readable. unfortunately i dont know which ones
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Apr 1, 2024 05:27
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Piketty's grand conclusion at the end of his book is that we need to impose a global 2% wealth tax in order to head-off burgeoning inequality and ensure reinvestment into proper sectors of the economy how or why you would ever get people to agree to such a tax is... not explained
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Apr 1, 2024 05:30
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386-SX 25Mhz VGA posted:Is there a version of Capital rewritten into modern English style prose for dummies like me who have to re-read every sentence five times to parse what he’s saying? seriously though just read https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/. it is modern english. just plow through and maybe go back to chapters later. didn't quite get all of a sentence? that's fine. you will see it again. and again. and again.
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Apr 1, 2024 05:30
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Marx’s writing style will eventually click with you and your reading pace will pick up dramatically
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Apr 1, 2024 05:40
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mila kunis posted:annoying archaic language and other obfuscations getting in the way of understanding something isn't useful or productive and no socialist should have that attitude. While I agree that it's important for people who are not literarily or academically inclined to engage with marxism, i also don't think capital vol 1's issue is the language or writing of the thing. The part that makes it difficult to get through for some people is that it's essentially a scientific textbook for some portions of the thing, and most normal people just don't read through scientific textbooks that often. If anyone reading it has a hard time understanding anything they can always ask in this thread but for the most part it's best to just keep at it, the overall argument of the thing is pretty illustrative of how to think about economic relations even if you don't memorize perfectly all the specifics of each part of it.
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Apr 1, 2024 05:42
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386-SX 25Mhz VGA posted:thank you! David Harvey's 'A Companion to Marx's Capital' is essential for a modern reader with no prior experience of reading mature Marxist theory
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Apr 1, 2024 05:47
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absolutely
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Apr 1, 2024 06:05
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Cuttlefush posted:absolutely oh god I need to reread
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Apr 1, 2024 06:43
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386-SX 25Mhz VGA posted:Is there a version of Capital rewritten into modern English style prose for dummies like me who have to re-read every sentence five times to parse what he’s saying? Also in addition to what others have said, Lenin's a great introduction to getting some core concepts in your head first https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/granat/ https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/mar/x01.htm
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Apr 1, 2024 14:06
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Flournival Dixon posted:While I agree that it's important for people who are not literarily or academically inclined to engage with marxism, i also don't think capital vol 1's issue is the language or writing of the thing. The part that makes it difficult to get through for some people is that it's essentially a scientific textbook for some portions of the thing, and most normal people just don't read through scientific textbooks that often. scientific textbooks often go out of their way to didactically explain stuff to people who are new to the material. capital vol 1 doesnt. its poorly edited and also written by a 150 years dead german.
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Apr 1, 2024 14:16
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i already linked the manga version of capital. this has been solved
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Apr 1, 2024 14:18
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capital is perfectly readable if you stop being a gigantic baby about it
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Apr 1, 2024 23:07
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it is, but it's also more than 800 pages and could be around 200 if all the sick owns were trimmed out, the repetition was edited out
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Apr 1, 2024 23:12
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dead gay really hosed up giving billsphoenix a long probe
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Apr 1, 2024 23:17
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the manga version has chibi engels in it, which makes it superior to all other versions 
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Apr 1, 2024 23:17
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Cuttlefush posted:dead gay really hosed up giving billsphoenix a long probe guys who are stupid and wrong in just the right way are very valuable
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Apr 2, 2024 00:00
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Hefty Leftist posted:capital is perfectly readable if you stop being a gigantic baby about it
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Apr 2, 2024 00:20
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Hefty Leftist posted:capital is perfectly readable if you stop being a gigantic baby about it I never managed really to read it. I mean I don’t know if you’ve tried to read it. Have you tried? In the books of Marx there’s no data.
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Apr 2, 2024 01:03
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Cuttlefush posted:dead gay really hosed up giving billsphoenix a long probe Zodium posted:guys who are stupid and wrong in just the right way are very valuable it seems to me that the good byproduct was not because of them, but in spite of. Until a certain level of engagement it seems ok, then suddenly triggering rear end in a top hat mode to people who are writing excellent replies is not, unfortunately, the right one. but a Marxist training dummy search program... hmmm...
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Apr 2, 2024 21:22
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fart simpson posted:I never managed really to read it. I mean I don’t know if you’ve tried to read it. Have you tried? In the books of Marx there’s no data. "how can it be done anything about it without R or pandas?!?!?!?!" well mr piketty yes the whole thinking of economic problems started for real only with the personal computer
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Apr 2, 2024 21:25
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dead gay comedy forums posted:it seems to me that the good byproduct was not because of them, but in spite of. Until a certain level of engagement it seems ok, then suddenly triggering rear end in a top hat mode to people who are writing excellent replies is not, unfortunately, the right one. but a Marxist training dummy search program... hmmm... of course it was in spite of them, but you still need the wrong guy to induce the spite to get the product. gotta let them cook until the good stuff stops coming.
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Apr 3, 2024 00:54
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Comrade Koba posted:the manga version has chibi engels in it, which makes it superior to all other versions
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Apr 3, 2024 01:26
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Zodium posted:of course it was in spite of them, but you still need the wrong guy to induce the spite to get the product. gotta let them cook until the good stuff stops coming. yep
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:No work out your brain. Working through complex sentence structure like this will make everything else a breeze. did this and it did feel good to force myself to finish chapter 1,but after chapter 1 Raskolnikov38 posted:Marx’s writing style will eventually click with you and your reading pace will pick up dramatically This is what happened. hope it clicks for you too, struggling goons
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