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I'm lazy as poo poo, so I'll use this opportunity to ask C-SPAM what the differences between Capital vol 1, 2, and 3 are. Also, if they're worth reading and what you learn from them.
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Gods_Butthole posted:What's new Marxism? What's wrong with the old kind? It hasn't defeated capitalism yet
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May 15, 2021 22:53
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Flavius Aetass posted:poo poo they should make you a mod, you're good at this That makes one of you
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May 15, 2021 23:32
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In any case I'm thankful for all the input on Capital, I imagine I should read them all eventually for the historical context.
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May 15, 2021 23:41
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Ranter posted:Anyone got a really succinct article or copy pasta on why trotskyists are off base? This was posted earlier in the thread. I have not gotten around to reading it in its entirety, though it is on my list. A Critique of Ultra-Leftism, Dogmatism and Sectarianism quote:The essence of what the Marxist-Leninist tradition including Stalin, Mao, Fidel and Ho Chi Minh have meant by “trotskyism” is a left-adventurist and dogmatic analysis which condemns all existing socialist countries and people’s democracies as not really socialist, being run by bureaucrats or perhaps state capitalists acting against the interests of the working people, and which likewise condemns all massive popular, progressive, or Communist led movements as being insufficiently revolutionary or in the process of selling out the masses in the interests of a bureaucracy, either local or located in the USSR, China, etc. Trotskyism differs from the anarchists who make similar claims about all progressive and socialist movements and regimes by claiming adherence to the principles of Leninism, endorsing the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 and organizing themselves more or less according to Leninist principles. This is the essence of trotskyism and the sole criteria by which a group or current should be categorized as “trotskyist.” Applying this criteria to groups like the Progressive Labor Party in the U.S. which condemn China, the USSR, Cuba and ail progressive and socialist regimes as well as the CPUSA, RCP, CL, SWP and all other groups in the U.S., all progressive, socialist or national liberation movements in Third World countries, and all progressive and Communist lead movements in the advanced capitalist countries, as selling out the masses, tools of the Soviet or Chinese bureaucracies etc., are pure trotskyist groups. PLP sees itself as the only truly revolutionary group in the world. On the other hand a splinter group from the Socialist Workers Party (the main Trotskyist group in the U.S.), the Workers World Party and its youth group Youth Against War and Fascism, gives basic support to Third World national liberation movements and socialist regimes such as those of the Cubans, Vietnamese, Angolans, etc., and (at least at last look) considered China and other socialist countries to be socialist. Thus in spite of their positive attitude about Leon Trotsky they can not be considered to be “trotskyists.” https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-4/mrl/section2.htm
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Sunny Side Up posted:I just took a first pass through this and there is so much good. The weird part is really the beginning where they say maoists are just tailing the CPC, but Marxist-Leninist-Mao tse tung thoughtists (which I guess I am, then?) are the real deal. Yeah I wondered about that part too. The book was published in 1977, and since I'm not very well read in this area of history I have to take the author on his word that that was what the state of the western left was at the time. I did really like this part though: quote:The popularity of Maoism in the advanced capitalist countries is in part based on the prevalent anti-Communism which younger petty bourgeois people took in with their mother’s milk. Virtually all petty bourgeois children throughout Europe, Japan, Australia and the U.S., and most working class people in the U.S., West Germany and a few other countries, have suffered one of the most invidious propaganda campaigns of modern times against the Soviet Union and Communism (which in the presentations of the ruling class media and education are one and the same). Images of slave labor, concentration camps, police terror, arbitrary dictators, dull conformity, lack of basic freedoms, food rationing, aggressive foreign policies designed to enslave the world, etc. – in short Nazi Germany rearmed – have been drummed into our heads as youth. This is the unchallenged conception of both Communism and the Soviet Union which we almost all grow up with. This is a mirror image of the situation today with China! Feel like there are some lessons to be learned here so we don't repeat the mistakes of history.
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