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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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the immortal science of marxism-leninism has revealed to me the inarguable fact that the mods are dumb as all hell

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Celot posted:

The difference is an ad hoc prediction for every individual situation instead of finding classes of similar situations and finding a general rule.

With gravity we don’t have a different prediction if the ball is a different color, for example. We care about its mass, the mass of the earth, the density and viscosity of the air, the elevation above ground level, and the density and shape of the ball. It is several things, but it isn’t, “every situation is totally unique” either.

If Marxism has predictive power, we should be able to pick out the relevant elements of a situation and make a prediction. Situations where those elements are similar should give a similar prediction. But we don’t have that with Marxism.

hi fishmech, how's it going?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
dialectics is a simple process. first you have a thread where materialist thinking dominates, this in turn lures in some idealist lib intent of low-effort trolling, and i think we should be about ready to move to the synthesis and tell the bargain basement fishmech to gently caress off

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
also popper was fundamentally wrong and if you apply his theories with any kind of logical consistency you end up with nearly nothing being science, including most everything that's actually useful

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

QUEER FRASIER posted:

I was sort of annoyed at this for a bit but it’s actually turned into a great object lesson, for the doubters among us, of why theory really is important

this person charged into the thread to confidently talk poo poo about marxism, a mere 60 posts later it turns out his anaystical framework for viewing the world is “arabs be crazy” lol

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
the only ting you need to know about popper is that if you apply his ideas consistently then the only things that actually are science are basically the hard natural sciences, but not for instance a little thing called mathematics which is required to get any useful results out of the natural sciences

this is kind of a problem since science is supposed to be a method to acquire reliable knowledge yet here we end up with hardly anything, making popper's ideas fundamentally unworkable in any practical sense

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Cpt_Obvious posted:

I remember reading that Marxism was falsifiable, specifically predicting that capitalism cannot exist without a coercive state and therefore the existence of anarcho-capitalism would falsify it.

Is there any truth to this?

i suppose, but then again i have seen no examples of functioning capitalist societies without an apparatus of coercion as of yet

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Yossarian-22 posted:

yung walken is a good lad and i don't think he is trying to inpugn marx, rather he is simply demonstrating that the impulse for communism has existed for a long time. people here are so insecure in their beliefs that they want to find invent enemies to dunk on based on tweets taken out of context, you love to see it folks!

:ironicat:

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
once again the immortal science of marxism-leninism triumphs and the dialectical process in vindicated

to wit:

thesis: the mods are dumbasses

antithesis: reasonable posters complain about the mods being dumbasses

synthesis: the mods double down on dumbassery until they finally self-immolate in a spectacular fashion, great Content is born

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
i was just thinking that meltdown may has been kinda quiet this year, but apparently it just decided to backload all the good stuff

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
at some point i thought that anarchism could be cool but then i realized that the anarchist explanation for why they haven't ever really succeeded in overthrowing capitalism always boiled down to "well we tried but then we got crushed by those evil capitalists/communists/whateverists" and upon about half a second of further thought i realized that maybe this implies some kind of fundamental impossibility of their position and that's when i decided that this whole anarchism business is actually very silly

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
on the one hand a lot of me making fun of trots and anarkiddies and the like is just shitposting but on the other hand if you actually want to get something done then maybe you shouldn't take your cues from people who think that a track record of complete and abysmal failure to even inconvenience international capital is some kind of badge of honour

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Yossarian-22 posted:

What about the labor market? Isn't the whole point of the economic zones throughout the country to essentially free reign to foreign capital? I don't think the Walton family is in any trouble

if the free reign of capital is limited to a few special geographic areas then that would imply that the market is, in fact, very tightly regulated

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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Fish of hemp posted:

What is the appeal of trotskyism? It can't be results.

from what i have seen it's mainly that you can justify to yourself going around being a smug piece of poo poo while not actually doing anything of value

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
it's p close to shitlib mentality to be honest, pretending that you would have done everything perfectly while not having to face any real-world problems whatsoever

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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In Training posted:

i don't understand how Trotskyists square the desire for a permanent revolution , and for any existing socialist states to intervene and provide support on behalf of local populations, with their labelling of any country who actually does this "imperialist".

theyre very dumb people, hth

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Started reading The State and Revolution and wow Lenin was a catty bitch. Page 1 and he's spent half of it explaining Engels and the other half taking potshots at rivals.

marx was a shitposter, engels was a shitposter, lenin was a shitposter and so we are all standing upon the shoulders of giants

Cerebral Bore has issued a correction as of 15:11 on Aug 11, 2021

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
reflects p badly on parts of today's "left" that they can't even reach the intellectual heights of a dingus like trotsky

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
hard to educate people when their paychecks depend on being ignorant

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

croup coughfield posted:

like, on the face of it, "working peoples paychecks are predicated on their ignorance" is idiotic. the bosses' paychecks require working people to live in ignorance. i assume cerebral bore thinks of themselves as an enlightened materialist who has pierced the veil of maya, so why are they still getting paid? what about the rest of us?

im not talking about working people but rather various pseudointellectual pmc dipshits, hth

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

croup coughfield posted:

you've still got it backwards but even if you were right, I ask again: so what? why is this insurmountable?

mostly because i do not have an unlimited amount of time and patience and the chance of actually teaching some left-lib dunning-krueger cases who have been trained wrong on purpose, as a joke, anything worthwhile is so remote that i generally see it as a waste

sorry if this upsets you

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


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croup coughfield posted:

so the issue is that you, personally, are not up for it. thats fine, but you should keep your mouth shut in that case

the issue is that you, personally, are deliberately misinterpreting what i'm saying so that you can be a dick about some pet gripe of yours, hth

Cerebral Bore has issued a correction as of 16:18 on Jan 24, 2023

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