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bagual posted:idk how that would translate to other drugs but i think it's better than what's in place in the netherlands or the US The Dutch system is thoroughly idiotic and it's only because it's become a symbol of our national self-delusion of being progressive and tolerant (we are neither) that it hasn't been wholly abolished and the government gone all-in on war on drugs. Like for real, government here has been ramping up into a war on drugs using 80s US Republican talking points and pointing to the US as an example to follow while the US has been legalizing weed using arguments that the war on drugs is an obvious and total failure.
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tokin opposition posted:If you had a time machine that could send one (1) thing to Lenin/Stalin/Mao/Fidel/whoever what would you send and when? Send a copy of the time machine to Einstein, doh.
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Jun 25, 2021 15:26
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gradenko_2000 posted:[Stalin-defenders turned Uighur-genocide-deniers]-SPAM What happened to A-SPAM and B-SPAM anyway?
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Jun 28, 2021 15:10
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Atrocious Joe posted:someone make a quiz that shows a quote and asks if it's from Stalin or Trotsky. the trick would be to use "authoritarian" Trotsky quotes and "internationalist" Stalin quotes. Do this but mix in IMF policy recommendation quotes.
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Jan 22, 2023 18:55
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Rotterdam wasn’t that major a factor back then. Amsterdam, Middelburg, Utrecht, Vlissingen, Hoorn, Den Haag, these are the places that drove the so-called golden age at least as much or significantly more. It’s just that Rotterdam is the major harbor now and Zeeland and North-Holland North (everything north of Amsterdam) are backwaters nowadays.
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Jun 25, 2023 09:47
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Knowledge is power is why the most powerful people are the most knowledgeable.
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Jul 8, 2023 22:25
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Danann posted:It's a (2-year) old Redsails article, but Yanis Varoufakis was able to get COSCO to help out with pensions and using the proper union labor: PRC ftw Varoufakis ftw Spit on the traitor Tsipras
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Jul 19, 2023 20:23
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Miles Blundell posted:I think that point 2 is critically important. I often feel that the international aspect of industrial human civilization and existence within American hegemonic imperialism is something that people don't take into account often enough when they think about socialism. You can't just expect America to stand by and let you have a powerful country without rich people, they will loving kill you. Yeah, if we imagine the development of communism in a world equal to todays world but absent the United States it's going to look very, very different. Unfortuntaely the US exists.
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Aug 3, 2023 09:39
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Comrade Koba posted:ddr ftw Motherfuckers threw it all away though.
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Aug 18, 2023 12:13
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dead gay comedy forums posted:Funnily enough, I didn't experience that click during the last semester of political economy, it sort of kept with me for years. Like, I was already in agreement with Marxism then, but the epiphany of an intuitive, deeper understanding of what it meant took its sweet time to happen. Then I was reading a text on the formation of Brazilian political economy, suddenly connected everything from Marx and then I knew exactly what was going to be the conclusion of the text because the whole theory came together in my brain and went holy loving poo poo There's this feeling and there's that feeling when you're going deeply into the labour theory of value in Vol 1 where for a couple days after every *thing* that you use and touch you go like "woah, this was created by workers using tools and techniques developed by other workers using resources produced, mined or grown by yet more workers and and and" and you just feel loving *connected* across space and time to the entire loving working class. Both are incredible.
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Sep 16, 2023 23:02
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fart simpson posted:oh yeah lol there was a section i read today that had a few (!) and (!!) and even (!!!) lol Should use chess annotations imo. (?) and (??) and even (!?) are powerful.
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Oct 13, 2023 12:33
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fart simpson posted:lol i love this stuff 5 paragraphs of “get a load of this idiot, this imbecile, this absolute moron”.
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Oct 26, 2023 06:27
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The most convincing anarchist method I know of is having everything be worker owned and run cooperatives which send representatives to higher level federation for anything where decision making at a higher level is required. In principle decisions need to be made at the lowest possible level. But if your local city buses also need to connect to regional buses and the railways and the tube, then all those organizations would have to make a decision about schedules and coverage etcetc together, so they need (and thus will create) a higher level body they all elect an (instantly recallable) representative to to do that work. It's a model that has a bunch of issues when you dig into the nitty gritty of how this would actually work, but at least it's not just magical thinking. Your specific questions about fairness are about distributing the surplus. And to be clear, the surplus is meant to be distributed for the benefit of society, not just the workers at a specific plant who produce the surplus. As, for example, some people always cannot work (children, the elderly, some of the disabled) and thus need surplus distributed to live. The anarchist point is that any organ centrally responsible for appropriating and distributing the surplus is basically equal(ly bad) to capitalists appropriating and distributing the surplus, and instead the workers themselves ought to directly appropriate the surplus they have created *and then distribute it*. The collective level then being at the level of the plant, rather than a whole nation or union of nations. It does mean that Joe Schmoe working at the local plant needs to understand all the different complex needs of his entire society to figure out in what proportion the surplus should be distributed and to what ends, which is errr, quite a big ask? Ofcourse all the plants could decide the distribution of the surplus is actually a big issue that needs to be resolved at a higher level, and create a higher level decision making organ, say on the national level, which they all send elected representatives to, but then things start to resemble a system other than anarcho-syndicalism quite quickly.
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Nov 23, 2023 12:24
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The Treuhand was a massive criminal enterprise.
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Nov 23, 2023 18:55
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Mao wasn't super excited about land rent either.
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Nov 25, 2023 14:13
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Marx thread: but what if more esoteric terminology?
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Nov 28, 2023 23:25
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Mr Shiny Pants posted:I like the world to make sense (in an "able to explain why things happen" kinda way), Marxism is the only theory I've come across that is able to explain certain phenomena in a way that seems logical and that makes sense to me. This is a big one for me, too. I think this is something that we have in common with people believing in conspiracy theories (not the actual conspiracies that do exist sometimes, but the kooky poo poo). And one of the main things separating us is that I am fully willing to believe most organizations are dysfunctional as hell and thus incompetence can be the cause of a lot of poo poo and also and even more importantly no grand, explicit conspiracy is required to effect an outcome when shared class interest for that outcome exists. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 20:28 on Dec 2, 2023 |
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Dec 2, 2023 20:22
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I think to be a communist compared to a liberal is fundamentally to be an optimist. A liberal can look at the world as it is, and perhaps even especially how it was in the 90s when history ended, and conclude "well, this is it, the best of all possible worlds, can't get better". You can show them a lot of poo poo that is objectively hosed and get them to agree on that but if you propose any fundamental change they're always going to tell you that that would make things worse, somehow. A communist looks at the same world with all the same poo poo that is hosed, and usually perceives a hell of a lot more things as being hosed up to boot, and concludes "we can do better than this". And to be completely honest, when I think we can do better, I always have this nagging doubt in my mind that maybe I am wrong about that. Maybe humans fundamentally are too hosed up to live harmoniously with our environment and eachother. But that's a useless thought, because either its true and then nothing matters anyway, or its not and we're right back at communism.
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Dec 2, 2023 21:09
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Guess who said he wasn't a Marxist?
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Dec 4, 2023 20:57
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thechosenone posted:So we got Ukraine/Russia, whatever is going on in Africa (I'll admit I've not been following closely there but I recall several nations had action), Israel/Palestine, and now possibly Venezuela/Guyana. Is there anywhere else that could go off? Besides Taiwan/China (because unless the Taiwanese government does something like officially declare independence I think Xi et al are waiting for things to continue to decay for the US to better achieve diplomatic victory)? Kosovo and Serbia is still brewing and poo poo's gone down between Azerbaijan and Armenia. In Africa the civil war in Ethiopia appears to only be escalating and could spread to multiple neighbouring countries, and Sudan has an escalating conflict in Darfur. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 11:26 on Dec 5, 2023 |
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Dec 5, 2023 11:23
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Taking in a lot of dick is its own kind of wealth.
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Dec 5, 2023 11:44
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What if I'm prolier than thou though?
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Dec 5, 2023 16:51
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mila kunis posted:a friend of mine jokingly referred to dialectical/historical materialism as "follow da money!!" and i think that tracks In a liberal society with no significant opposition (like say, an organized guerilla or whatever), yes. Kinda. As long as money is the only important thing, it's going to be the only thing you need to analyze. Ofcourse you can argue whether money is ever truly the only important thing, even in a liberal society. If you're going to try to analyze a society like modern day China in this way though, you are definitely going to fail.
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Dec 6, 2023 12:20
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The poster energy steadily increases through Capital.
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Dec 11, 2023 16:05
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lol what a scam
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Dec 12, 2023 09:45
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dead gay comedy forums posted:finally found the reference I wanted from the man himself: So TL;DR, whether labour is productive or unproductive has less to do with what the product of that labour is than with the social relations within which that labour takes place. Is that right?
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Dec 19, 2023 20:22
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dead gay comedy forums posted:To reinforce, let me put this way: a bag of rice here where I am in Brazil can be considered "cheap". It would be extremely cheaper if we had collectivized agriculture and centralized distribution controls. And this has massive knock-on effects, too. If you can feed, clothe, house and provide basic medical care to people for cheap, then the replacement cost of labour-power (ie. the amount of money a labourer needs to sustain themselves and their family so that they may labour again tomorrow and the day after) is also cheap. That means you can pay people low wages while still keeping up a decent standard of living for them. Domestically, the low price for essentials represents less labour-power necessary to produce said essentials, for example due to efficiency gains due to land reform, large scale public infrastructure projects (irrigation works, road/rail/port links for better logistics), capital injections for mechanization of agriculture, you name it, which in turn means more labour-power available for developing the country in other areas. Internationally it means your poo poo is cheap on global markets giving you a competitive advantage in exports, which lets you acquire foreign currency which you can use to buy whatever capital goods can speed up your development the most. That's literally what China did, with Deng going all-in on those last steps by getting short-sighted western capitalists (a tautology) to move their entire production (aka capital) to China to profit off of its cheap labour. Anyway, the point is that very obviously and to the surprise of noone with any kind of knowledge about South America, the key to the development of the continent is land reform. And the obvious historical lesson for anyone who wants to try it is to never take half measures and be utterly ruthless to the land-owning class because otherwise they'll loving murder you. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 10:53 on Jan 4, 2024 |
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Jan 4, 2024 10:50
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Is there an English translation?
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Jan 13, 2024 15:13
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Castro tried.
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Jan 25, 2024 01:38
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Never forget nor underestimate just how much of our society is constructed on load-bearing anti-communism.
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Jan 25, 2024 10:52
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mawarannahr posted:Karl Poppers Karls Popper
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Jan 25, 2024 17:00
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Already had PTSD from a mandatory philosophy of science course at uni. Popper can kiss my whole rear end in a top hat.
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Jan 25, 2024 22:13
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Boy is about to want some linen shirts.
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Jan 31, 2024 09:24
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fart simpson posted:Has there been a political revolution that has turned out better for the people, in general, as opposed to those who end up on top? The whole point of revolution is to have the people end up on top OP.
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Feb 1, 2024 10:47
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Everything, even you touching yourself at night.
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Feb 1, 2024 19:50
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China and Cuba ftw
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Feb 3, 2024 14:17
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FirstnameLastname posted:also note it's the tendency for the mean rate to fall Yeah, it's like global warming. You gotta look at long-term macro trends, and it all looks like a whole bunch of whatever for a long time and then suddenly HOLY poo poo EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE WTF
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Feb 7, 2024 11:23
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Pretty sure it’s like global warming.
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Feb 8, 2024 02:47
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FirstnameLastname posted:people can theoretically do something about global warming Same as capitalism. Bunch of salty posting going on.
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Feb 8, 2024 10:59
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Just read Marx?
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Feb 8, 2024 20:48
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