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waiting for the party line on who exactly are the revisionists that nuked the old thread
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May 15, 2021 22:28
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apropos to nothing posted:lol this is it for me. idgaf about r word, from the start only complained cause of the arbitrary enforcement of rules which 100% were always meted out against posting enemies and ignored by others, applied to the whole "mods are pedophiles" thing too and basically everything in the history of the website. its totally absurd that words like "oval office" are banned in the joke politics forum on a website where 9/11 set to yakety sax was its most significant contribution to the world. i shant post in cspam again because the mods are idiots who punish people for saying oval office and it may be revealed at a later date that some of them have committed crimes of a sexual nature. i shall stick to the pink forum and laugh at you all assuming that i am not banned for this post given the ruling that it is illegal to laugh at the mods now. please organize people around you and at your workplace and dont post online all day about "leftist" politics because it will rot your brain and you will never change anything or organize anyone. rip to the only good trotskyist
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May 18, 2021 03:32
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smarxist posted:for reading i recommend just reading The Man Himself, Marx is so fun, he's really witty and sarcastic at times, but sincere and he gets so passionate and disgusted with humanity, especially when he's writing on the capitalists and the immiseration of mankind yeah the paris manuscripts are a bit tough because they're largely unedited but they're decent. 18th brumaire is good if you don't mind half the thing being basically recaps of every stupid political controversy of the second republic.
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May 18, 2021 17:51
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The funny thing is, I'm sympathetic to the idea that Marxism isn't a hard science because the conditions are too chaotic and you can't exactly repeat "experiments", but that doesn't means it's invalid for a first pass estimate of what happens. Like even of we argue Russia 17 and Germany 18/19 are literally the same conditions (someone who knows more can say why that's bullshit) then you can just say "they had similar reactions to the conditions but Lenin got lucky and the Germans didn't" and it still makes sense
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May 18, 2021 20:57
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I do appreciate that we're returning to the kind of dumb slapfight this thread was made for
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May 18, 2021 21:07
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Celot posted:People being insane. Nice to know that ISIS was just a result of the disease of the Arab mind
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May 18, 2021 21:37
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Celot posted:There you go, making stuff up again. I'm being facetious here but you are the one claiming that the explanation for the rise of ISIS is just that "they're a bunch of lunatics"
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May 18, 2021 21:43
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Celot posted:If they weren’t a bunch of lunatics, they wouldn’t be Muslim fundamentalists. This is not a material condition, it is an internal mental state. Or maybe, just maybe, fundamentalism is a reaction to the complete failure of a secular state propped up by an imperial aggressor associated with a rival religious group? One could even point out all sorts of antecedents in 19th century empires if we're talking about predictive power. Unless its just that coincidentally everyone the British invaded was just full of lunatics who can't be trusted- which, also coincidentally, was their propagandistic justification for running the world in the first place
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May 18, 2021 21:50
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Someone who's an expert can jump in here but an example I saw used was the Madhist uprisings in Sudan which were played up (and not entirely incorrectly) in the imperial press as being just full of reactionary lunatics and murderers. But a huge number of recruits had previously participated in a secular liberal uprising in Egypt a short time before, which had been violently repressed by the English. So they figured playing by the liberal rules wasn't gonna cut it, might as well hook up with the fundamentalists.
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May 18, 2021 21:54
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Celot posted:I don’t really get it. We can tell
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May 18, 2021 21:56
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Also lmao
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May 18, 2021 21:57
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I mean I did post an actual historical example where repression turned secular resistance into violent fundamentalism, "gently caress those guys that killed my buddy" is a pretty strong motivator
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May 18, 2021 22:01
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Lightningproof posted:can marxism help me beat guardian ape without kuro’s charm Comrade, in the Glorious Communist Utopia not only will you have more time to play Sekiro but a lack of alienation from your labor will improve your mental state so you won't get frustrated as easily!
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May 18, 2021 22:11
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Ferrinus posted:it's interesting that you would try something like this not just in a text-based medium but while directly quoting a very clear statement of my question. i ask you about the STATISTICAL DISTRIBUTION of religious fundamentalists (not whether they're "crazy") and not only are you seemingly unable to answer but you very obviously attempt to distract from the question Perhaps the occurrence of this insanity can be predicted by medical means, such as the shape of their brains
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May 18, 2021 22:16
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Atrocious Joe posted:I'm really loving confused about why people would embrace a system of thought that provides a community, rules to help make life decisions, and an answer to existential questions about death and suffering. Just makes no sense to me. One could even argue that the technology and modes of production in the imperial center produce individualistic ideologies!
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May 18, 2021 22:18
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lumpentroll posted:so are we all converting to islam now or what No beer is kind of a drag but sure whatever
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May 18, 2021 22:18
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Celot posted:Religious fundamentalists are crazy. I mean it depends on how you define "crazy" but as Joe already pointed out religious fundamentalism does help fill some psychological needs especially in the face of adversity and violence caused by a cultural other
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May 18, 2021 22:25
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This abuse victim has anxiety, clearly this is just because their brain is hosed up and not a reaction to the abuse
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May 18, 2021 22:27
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Atrocious Joe posted:The 30 Years War could have been avoided if people were able to access therapy and get some SSRIs or ketamine. Maybe Celot is gonna spend most of his time in Timothy Leary Land before slipping into "exterminate the brutes"
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May 18, 2021 22:28
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Celot posted:You can tell whether something is false if it offends your grad student sensibilities I guess. Flavius! Flavius! We got a live one!
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May 18, 2021 22:43
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Anyhow I'm glad we've proved Marxism is wrong because I, a comfortable secular Westerner, am literally incapable of thinking about why someone might be religious
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May 18, 2021 22:44
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Victory Position posted:Joan of Arc was in need of therapy. could have really helped her out I'm now going to reverse this argument by saying that the rise of religious fundamentalism is because in fact God does hate Anglos
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May 18, 2021 22:52
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gradenko_2000 posted:Well, we all wanted to move on from talking about slurs. Looks like we got our wish. It rules actually, way more fun than mod drama. Thanks for getting us back on track, Celot!
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May 18, 2021 23:12
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao is this why Muʿtazila is the easiest branch of Islam to covert Russia to in ck3 Iirc theres a legend that a bunch of Kievan Rus were on the verge of converting to Islam until they explained the whole "no booze" thing
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May 18, 2021 23:13
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Centrist Committee posted:I just skipped a whole lot of posts 😎 The cynical answer is that we're 100 years past the beginning of the "common ruin of the contending classes" timeline. If we're not just gonna lay down and die, the big problem is that capital managed to weather the crises of the early 20th century while its main rival in the USSR failed; and the temporary high of capital's success in the mid century followed by the collapse of the Soviet Union helped destroy Marxist class consciousness in the Western working class, probably accelerated by the atomization of western communities. It seems like the way forward is trying to rekindle class consciousness as an identification of "why are things hosed up" and trying to limit the damage we do to the decolonized world
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May 18, 2021 23:33
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gap left by the crazy dark ages
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May 19, 2021 02:14
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tokin opposition posted:Celot ruined an almost 10 year no-probations streak over the content in this thread and managed to jump directly to 24 hours for using problematic language. A combination of increasing capitalist surveillance and the useless idealism of Silicon Valley libertatians
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May 19, 2021 02:15
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exmarx posted:interpenetration ftw the base and superstructure are basically 69ing
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May 19, 2021 07:13
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marx failed to consider godel
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May 20, 2021 07:04
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I feel like Marx's writing you just have to put up with a tendency to ramble. Like that section is good and making a good point but you could cut half the sentences and it would still work
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May 24, 2021 21:33
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V. Illych L. posted:he's a high-powered german intellectual, this comes with the territory. if anything it's a miracle he's as legible as he is - reading guys like heidegger or hegel or adorno is like wading through dense fog Oh yeah definitely, if nothing else him getting angry at people keeps it interesting. I wonder if it's just a difference in style with German language
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May 24, 2021 22:21
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I missed it, what happened to two-day?
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May 27, 2021 15:37
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:https://twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1397221028267446289 I've occasionally thought about how you'd have a Civ game that's just a strictly Marxist view of historical development but idk enough to make it work
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May 31, 2021 20:04
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euphronius posted:ironically the czar started ww1 to stop the revolution "Lets start a quick war to keep domestic dissent in check!" is practically a running gag on the show at this point
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Jun 29, 2021 00:42
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that said, probably a reason why socialist revolutions were only successful in the periphery
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Jun 29, 2021 00:44
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indigi posted:it worked for everyone else in WWI lolling that the SPD was the first socialist party to vote for the war
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Jun 29, 2021 05:00
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:i remember duncan joking about how hes gonna have to make a podcast about BLM summer hey the 1832 uprising got an episode at least
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Jun 29, 2021 15:30
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Trabisnikof posted:Wow, how do you justify Stalin invading Hungary you drat Tankie??? I've always wanted to do a bit of acting constantly mad at "tankies" while also being a hardcore Stalinist
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Jun 29, 2021 21:07
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The Voice of Labor posted:what would be a working definition for fascism? the best I got is the belief that bad things happening to people is good as long as they aren't happening to you. I think that's the string that unites the fasc this seems like an insanely broad (and for that matter idealistic) definition. It ranges from meaning literally any form of right wing dictatorship to specifically the overlap of Mussolini and Hitler but I'd say the materialist answer is that it's capital's last-ditch violent response to leftism, sort of like how an allergic reaction or immune disease. Typically it tries to coopt certain elements of leftism as well
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Jul 10, 2021 02:35
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Adam Tooze is a lib so feel free to tell me I'm full of poo poo; but the impression I got from Wages of Destruction was that there were some disagreements between the Nazis and the business class- maybe unending war against peer enemies isn't great for trade?- and the Nazis were generally the ones calling the shots, but while it wasn't the precise dictatorship they'd have wanted it was the one that could crush the left so they were pretty much all for it
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Jul 10, 2021 03:15
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