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mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

The Voice of Labor posted:

anyone can do anything is the point of communism, to fish in the morning, fill potholes in the afternoon, write socialist critique in the evening, rave all night and make out with your dad the next morning before going out fishing again

Specialization is for insects

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mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Epitope posted:

Anyone can be a biochemist

No, but biochemists should also know how to build a structure, cook, raise kids, run a small business affair, and read philosophy. It's not that everyone can be something, it's that everyone should be many things.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Epitope posted:

I was just joshing ya, since 10 minutes ago you were giving that guy a hard time for daring to think he could dabble in your specialization

Is this gangstalking?

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

christmas boots posted:

I would send Lenin/Stalin/Trotsky a copy of this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNacQaHJqEs

Holy poo poo

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Top City Homo posted:

My wife's mom graduated from a Minsk university at the top of her class and they gave her a giant book and said you can work anywhere you want, in any republic for any position related to her field, no questions asked

Why?

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Top City Homo posted:

because she was a good student and everyone was guaranteed a job

she got a professorial position in Russian literature

imagine becoming a professor of english literature right after graduation in the US

Let me clarify my question: did she earn the right to take whatever position she wanted because of her performance or for some other factor, like rarity of her skillet?

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016
Quote isn't edit.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

500 good dogs posted:

did you miss the "top of her class" part or are you doubting that is what earned her the position?

No, I was clarifying my initial question.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Top City Homo posted:

she earned her position.

socialism is basically the only society where meritocracy can be considered as "merit" based not just another phrase for lottery of birth

Awesome.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

dead gay comedy forums posted:

I'd imagined it was something more or less like this, particularly in opposition to russification carried during the empire days

Weird to learn how these evil Soviets *checks notes* respected local autonomy and culture of the republics of which they were comprised?

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

indigi posted:

I’m not going to lie. that sounds like the most boring poo poo ever

:wtf:

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

we're already on the euphronius page

loving lmao

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

yr new gurlfrand! posted:

I don’t know how to deal with the trauma of the USSR having been created and then failing due to internal contradictions and cooptation

inspiring read though

Don't forget the entire international community was fighting the USSR tooth and nail for its entire existence, and it still took a bunch of feudal bumblefuck nations and turned them into a nuclear superpower that won the space race.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016
Actually, you'll find that "eating all the rich" is a form of Marxist genocide. I am highly intelligent.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Fish of hemp posted:

I laughed heartily to the East German defectors who were shocked that in the West you have to actually work for a living.

lmao, get wrecked

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Raskolnikov38 posted:

yeah I wish I understood biology because cell stuff is really interesting but gently caress organic chem to the 9th circle of hell

Biology has one overarching theme: the basic processes of life happens when things touch or stick together. Whether we're talking about enzymes catalyzing a metabolic reaction or DNA being transcribed then translated to protein, all of it happens when goop sticks to other goop then new goop comes out.

The best known mechanism for epigenetics happens when DNA packaging is manipulated to prevent access to the genetic information within; genes have to be read by cellular machinery, and if that machinery cannot access information then that genetic information is "silenced." DNA is a million times longer than the cells in which it resides: your typical human cell is 1 micrometer in diameter, but six billion base pairs of DNA are ~ 2 meters in length total (0.34 nm/base * 6x10^9). Each cell tightly packages DNA in its nucleus so that it will fit, and the packaging can be altered by various processes to loosen or tighten DNA's "winding."

DNA can also be chemically marked with methyl (-CH3) groups. This tag has an interesting effect in that packaging machinery will see these methyl tags and alter the DNA packaging in that region, effectively shutting that gene off. These methyl tags also happen symmetrically across both strands of DNA in a region (DNA is double stranded, remember?) such that both strands are methylated. Finally, these methyl tags are added only to strands of DNA, not the individual nucleotides, so when new DNA is replicated the new strand has no methyl groups at all. The methylation is restored by enzymes that can "read" the hemi methylated DNA and add methyl groups into the newly synthesized DNA. The now fully methylated region is again silenced as before.

This method allows eukaryotic organisms to tune their gene expression to their environment in a semi-permanent way; information in DNA isn't removed but "locked out," and this lock out can be inherited by any descendents of a cell with these marks. This includes offspring if the methylation marks are present in gametes.

The phenomenon of epigenetics teaches us that events which occur to one generation can affect future generations. The classic example is starvation: a female mouse, when subjected to protein starvation from youth to pregnancy then given a rich diet during pregnancy gives birth to pups that have epigenetic marks consistent with starvation despite never actually being starved themselves. These marks are passed from those mice through two future generations before they finally subside.

I'm very new to reading theory, so perhaps others can chime in with the Marxist interpretation of the biology here, but the takeaway is "individual experiences potentially affect the health of future generations."

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

MeatwadIsGod posted:

I only got a cursory look at this stuff in college but isn't epigenetics dealing with certain genetic markers/expressions being more likely but not necessarily guaranteed from generation to generation? I learned about it within the context of, like, predispositions to addictions being inherited but that even then it can and frequently does skip generations. "Epigenetic trauma" sounds like straight pseudoscience to justify poo poo like standpoint theory in increasingly ludicrous circumstances. Like the Zionist grandchildren of Holocaust survivors claiming epigenetic trauma means only they can speak on antisemitism or whatever. My understanding was that even if the genetic markers for certain types of behavior were "activated" it means only that someone would have a predisposition towards said behavior and nothing more.

Survivors of Nazi camps probably do have changed epigenetic markers from their ordeal, but it's not what those people are talking about and it's not behavioral but metabolic.

Modern people have this predisposition to equate cultural practices with biological tendencies, which is maddening at best and loving terrifying at worst.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

MLSM posted:

“This is the reasoning of a liberal scholar who repeats the incredibly trite and threadbare argument that experience and reason clearly prove that men arenot equal, yet socialism bases its ideal on equality. Hence, socialism, if you please, is an absurdity which is contrary to experience and reason, and so forth!

Mr. Tugan repeats the old trick of the reactionaries: first to misinterpret socialism by making it out to be an absurdity, and then to triumphantly refute the absurdity! When we say that experience and reason prove that men are not equal, we mean by equality, equality in abilities or similarity in physical strength and mental ability.

It goes without saying that in this respect men are not equal. No sensible person and no socialist forgets this. But this kind of equality has nothing whatever to do with socialism. If Mr. Tugan is quite unable to think, he is at least able to read; were lie to Lake the well-known work of one of the founders of scientific socialism, Frederick Engels, directed against D’uhring, he would find there a special section explaining the absurdity of imagining that economic equality means anything else than the abolition of classes. But when professors set out to refute socialism, one never knows what to wonder at most—their stupidity, their ignorance, or their unscrupulousness.” — V.I. Lenin

Get their rear end Vlad

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Cuba is imo the best gateway drug for Americans to start deprogramming our anticommunism. Since they're a tiny island nation blockaded by this huge superpower it gives them a kind of sympathetic underdog character and the same is true of the July 26 guerillas in the Sierra Maestra. Obviously they had very well organized urban networks in Havana or Santiago under people like Frank Pais but the guerillas in the mountains get bled down to like 15 guys in the early days and about 2 years later they've taken Oriente, Santa Clara, and Havana. Then you get into what they actually accomplished in terms of literacy, public health, etc. despite the constant US harassment (including kidnapping, supporting reactionary guerillas in the Escambray, etc.) and it makes them look even more superhuman. Plus it's easier for Americans to unlearn propaganda about the dastardly Soviets when they realize what a lifeline the USSR was to Cuba once the embargo ramped up and that Cuba modeled its institutions on the USSR (JUCEPLAN, etc.). And then you realize "oh poo poo every socialist state has made similar extraordinary accomplishments under similar handicaps" and whatever latent anticommunism you had is pretty much gone

Please leave my head, this is a restricted area.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

e-dt posted:

even in trotsky's fantasy world where people like him and listen to him the most they say is 'maybe, i'll think about it'

Marxishly: lol

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Omg Nintendo Bros. 3 is my favorite!

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Aeolius posted:

John Quigley's Soviet Legal Innovation and the Law of the Western World might hold some interest. It's as much about their law as it is about its ripples in the world at large, though. From the preface:

Holy poo poo, I was running around unknowingly espousing Soviet legal theory at the age of...twelve? Thirteen? God drat...

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016
So I can't find the post in order to quote it, but someone posted recently how the early 19th century capitalists were super pissed that Marx named and categorized the demon they were releasing into the world and how said capitalists were attempting some sort of civic religion?

Is this backed by any facts/observations or is it just Something Awful Marxblather?

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Dreylad posted:

I really like this short essay by Tony Judt that talks about the postwar acknowledgement of the Holocaust. https://nybooks.com/articles/2008/02/14/the-problem-of-evil-in-postwar-europe/

i think that was a response to my post in the doomsday thread about economists rejecting the LTV that had been widely accepted after it had been proposed by Smith and further developed by Ricardo before Marx made use of it. To be clear, it was classical economists who were mad about capitalism being defined and criticized, not capitalists broadly speaking. I've seen some writing on the subject but I'd have to dig around to see if I can find the references, because I was pretty interested in this intellectual history a year ago.

Right on, if you do get around to it it'd be much appreciated. Your comment really hit a weird spot in my head, like when I talk to "normal" people about how our society is structured it does feel like I'm talking to an adherent of a strict orthodox religion. If early classical economists got pissy that some loving materialist pissed all over their beautiful philosophy/dogma, well then that's literally the natural philosophers vs. empirical scientists but for money isn't it wot?

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

The Voice of Labor posted:

I just started my own household party and hold daily struggle sessions regarding the wife's liberal tendencies

Are you me?

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

evilpicard posted:

Marxism is when you're not allowed to realize the value of your labour

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016
Love to see a commie slap fight over loving Grimes of all people.

This is why no revolution will happen ever and we're doomed to eco-fascism and planetwide civilization collapse, because anyone left of FDR spends too much energy on fighting other leftists about small potatoes bullshit.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Falstaff posted:

Actually, I think it's capitalism that's the problem, not leftist slapfights.

Cool, good luck fighting the organization of capital because you're too busy arguing with comrades.

namesake posted:

Lenin - well known for his politeness to others on the left and his failure to bring about revolution.

1) don't worship men, they had their flaws and that was one of Lenin's.

2) even so, none of you in here, including myself, are close to being a Vladimir Lenin so it's a terrible comparison.

My point is both sides have good points. That dumbass money fucker Grimes has probably exposed dozen of impressionable youths to a document that outlines a more just and egalitarian economic system, but also the CPUSA is useless as tits on a boar in its current state so any efforts to try to get it back to something useful should be lauded.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Killin_Like_Bronson posted:

she's not going to usher in people to Marxist thought,

I didn't say that.

There are literally thousands of teens and young adults who have never heard of the Communist Manifesto, and some proportion of them now know it exists because of that stupid tweet. A proportion of them will now go and read it because they know it exists. That's the point I'm getting at.

Obviously she's as communist as Elon is, as in not at all. But the Streisand Effect is real, and it can and will affect people that aren't you and I who already appreciate the Immortal Science.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Falstaff posted:

"Both sides have good points" is not a good reason to set aside your differences, it's actually a good reason to have it out. That's dialectics, it's how leftist movements grew and changed throughout history, and if there's any hope for a leftist movement in the future, it absolutely needs to get away from the whole "let's just agree to disagree (p.s. imma ignore you)" bullshit that occupies liberal spheres.

Fight it out! Make your best argument! Try to learn from the other side if you can, and either way be the best advocate for your own beliefs that you can. And if you think it's an unimportant issue, great, you're welcome to stay out of it so the people who actually do care can try to work things out. Leftist solidarity can't actually be achieved in any other way, because for some reason "Your concerns don't matter" has never gone down well with anyone - and if someone's concerns are truly expressed in a way that's counterproductive to a movement, then all the more reason to rhetorically beat them into the dust.

It's a lot better to have these battles before the left has power than after (if that time ever comes), when internal struggles are more likely to have guns and prisons involved.

Hey, remember in the late 70s and early 80s when the evangelical and business conservatives were at each other's throat about how best to be conservative Liberals, which helped get Reagan into power?

You don't, because the opposite happened. These two factions should hate each other if they were true to their ideology, but they both thirsted for power and now they've molded into a monstrosity that may never be defeated.

But yes, we should squabble over trivial poo poo rather than uniting under a single socialist banner. That has worked out well over the last 40 years, hasn't it?

Apologies for the sarcasm, but seriously repeating mistakes of the past is something that drives me bananas.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Falstaff posted:

No, the battles these two groups fought were real, and meaningful, and the inroads the business conservatives built into the evangelical community were constructed through the expense of time, effort, and treasure. It's not like business interests didn't receive pushback over the decades they worked at their takeover. Prior to this, evangelical groups were a much more politically diverse on a number of issues, and although it's pretty clear whose interests are given primary concern in the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, it's also true that the business conservatives within this unholy alliance emerged from the process changed - because how could they not?

I think you're projecting a lot of things onto my argument that aren't there, to be quite frank. You're 100% right that dialectical debate isn't the same thing as building organizational capacity, or doing praxis, or however you want to word it - and in fact, I would argue that any truly important dialectical debate can't really happen outside of an actually-existing organization. At no point did I argue that crafting theory would make anything happen, much less generate communism - go ahead and quote me if you think I did. And yeah, posting here is really just a hobby for people who like talking about stuff, its importance to anything outside the forums is nearly non-existent.

My argument was directed against mycomancy who, from my reading, was very irked by the idea that someone might care about what it might say about the leadership of the CPUSA (an organization that someone happens to be a member of) would try to attach itself to Grimes' publicity stunt, even though they admitted that both sides "have good points." It seems to me, if both sides have good points, then that sounds like a good time to hash things out and figure out which points are more worthy of consideration. And if this debate were had within the organization itself, I might even suggest it would be of some importance, at least to that organization's well-being. If I've read mycomancy wrong then so be it, it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong about something and it certainly won't be the last, but that doesn't make my argument turn into "posting is praxis," which is what you seem to be suggesting here.

You did misrepresent the point I was trying to make but let's just drop it. This is what I get for posting as early in the morning as I did.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Falstaff posted:

If that's the case then I'm wrong, and I'm sorry for misreading you. I'll try to be more careful next time.

I wasn't doing the best posting tbf.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

That's only wrong if that a bunch of real commies would take donations from the bourgeoisie happily. Capitalists will sell you the rope for their own execution, so don't try to stop them.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

splifyphus posted:

where do y'all think the support for communism is supposed to come from, thin loving air? the whole drat point is to take money from capitalists and redirect it towards non-capitalist ends, it doesn't matter how you get it or where you get it from, just that you do get it and do something non-profit related with it.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Did you guys know there's no data in Das Capital?

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

What on earth

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Southpaugh posted:

pfft clearly doesn't know anything about the wide variety of uses for a rubber mallet. You certainly don't want to be hit with one.

Have hit my hand with a rubber mallet, can confirm.

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mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Fleetwood posted:

ohhhh it's a mallet, always thought it was a mobile phone with selfie stick

aaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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