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Algund Eenboom posted:Instead of going to amazon.com, you should go to marxists.org. In this tropers opinion about a year ago I saw copies of the marx engels reader, which is pretty good and allows you to fit a surprising amount of communism in your cargo pocket or rucksack and read it when capitalism turns off the power or the internet, at like every goodwill and used bookstore I went into
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May 16, 2021 05:32
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Brain Candy posted:so i read stalin dunking on anarchists, and it was great. the only problem i'd have with it is all the talk of the imminent victory of the proletarians: it's proletarian revolution or mutual ruin of the contending classes and it seems like we're on path b. what can we do today in our current context? i see people organizing unions, okay, cool, is that viable in the timeframe we have? that seems too slow, very much so given nuclear annhilation and global warming going hand in hand capitalism has thoroughly divorced labor from the means of production and finally succeeded in reducing the surplus returning to labor to being the absolute minimum required to reproduce labor. bourgeois values total control of media has convinced most of the white industrial proletariate that this state of affairs is cool and good. revolution is impossible barring an upheaval that allows/forces the survivors to become self sufficient, to own the control of the atom of self determination, to own the means of the reproduction of their own labor and in so doing hopefully remember what it means to not be a slave. the fully automated luxury gay space communism utopist children refuse to accept this as a necessity because they think marxism implies unbroken improvement of conditions. it doesn't, it implies a long term improvement of conditions with local maximums and minimums, occasional collapses and plunges. the only place where progress in modes of production always improves is the ideal, if we don't forget how to read books, human knowledge will continue to improve or at least not decline even when we're doing subsistence farming and figuring out how to fertilize food crops with forest fire smoke and figuring out how to extract estrogen from yams and plastic debris for our trans commrades
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May 16, 2021 18:54
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waiting for someone to figure out that 10 pages of the grundrisse are scribbled and scratched out notes illuminating the history of forum moderation, its inherent contradictions and the vanguards role in its execution
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May 17, 2021 01:08
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so if I start a thread about mod atrocities and the resultant bitterness, is everyone gonna post about theory in it?
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May 17, 2021 02:00
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unsurprisingly, the soviet union fell a mere 2 years after the incorporation of america online. is the internet antithetical to communism?
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May 17, 2021 06:26
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i say swears online posted:i didn't know or care who he was until he ruined the best thread on the forums the sardine thread is fine
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May 18, 2021 03:48
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how many pages of moddrama bs do we have to post up as a smokescreen before we post about smashing capitalism, imperialism and racism?
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May 18, 2021 04:40
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Brain Candy posted:mad about religious fundamentalism AND certain that the cause is ineffable, i love it I saw a truck with a gadsden flag and a thin blue line flag on the drive home today. it's a banner day for contradictory beliefs
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May 19, 2021 00:53
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tokin opposition posted:What are the material conditions for the internet? Correct answers only plz 1: a bulk of data, in an easily transmissible format, so large that it exceeds the capabilities of its producers and archivists to render it into information 2: a commodification of communication 3: 'puters 4: $profit$
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May 19, 2021 02:42
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a lot of that chart is questionable, but if you can reason out how education isn't directly a part of production, you're either way smarter than me or way way dumber
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May 19, 2021 06:32
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Homeless Friend posted:I could teach you how to build a rocket. But it doesn't mean anything if you are and always will be a burger flipper. So it consumes social value (i.e. my time or a teachers or what not) but does not produce any. Just like how a pinkerton with a machine gun could be required to make steel, but does not produce any. even in the face of planned functional illiteracy, people need to be able to fill out an application to flip burgers or build rockets or be an enemy of the people. whether the gatekeeping is necessary it's there
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May 19, 2021 23:10
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Homeless Friend posted:I'm not saying its not required to get us there, just that the part where value is created won't be when you are taught to write. It's like this. If I showed you the long graph of things needed to create a paperclip, this god like view of it, there would be a convergence of multiple factors into one point presumably: the transformation of capital, natural resources, land, worker labor, etc into a paper clip. If I gave you this chart of causality what would you call the 'means of production'? I would contend that labor power is inseparable from labor power's ability to think. education is a necessary precondition for labor. it doesn't matter how you divvy up your superstructure and base, education stands outside in a sense because it's prior to any interaction between labor and resource that could be considered production, not prior in a temporal sense, prior in a logical sense. to answer your question, the means of production are land and capital property. the space you need to do work, the resources contained within it or growing on it and the tools to do whatever the work it is you're doing also usually a building or buildings to store everything in.
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May 20, 2021 04:02
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tokin opposition posted:Quine: based or cringe? I remember liking quine, but it may just be for the phrase undetatched rabbit parts. popper I think didn't read/study/care. his treatment of the republic is really shallow and cliffnotey
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May 21, 2021 00:38
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I remember reading that Marxism was falsifiable, specifically predicting that capitalism cannot exist without a coercive state and therefore the existence of anarcho-capitalism would falsify it. anarcho capitalism doesn't exist except as a fantasy. the rich are made richer by the laws of the land. this is unsurprising as they write those laws
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May 21, 2021 00:44
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*places hand above eyes to shield them from the sun* *gazes upon a landscape totally, homogeneously, equally depleted off all resources* *proclaims* at the final resolve of all contradictions, even the self contradictory is possible. long live ancap, suck it marx
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May 21, 2021 01:48
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so the average length of time the cia will suffer people having competent leadership is roughly three years?
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May 21, 2021 04:51
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gently caress deng https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
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May 22, 2021 02:59
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marx and engles were just characters in babeuf's fan fiction. like fiona and cake
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May 22, 2021 20:24
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did popcap do anything with peggle in the last five years? I think I would be extremely down with some pachinko puzzles
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May 22, 2021 20:26
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define "a bunch" 'cause if it's a group of, like, 2 or 3 you can just make up whatever loving name you want for your incoherent ideology. I'm a dicksist, for instance
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May 23, 2021 01:02
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all this talk of human marxists got me wanting to read some g.a. cohen, but the book I want to read is 1-2 hundred dollars
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May 23, 2021 18:37
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Moon Shrimp posted:You should see if it's on libgen. oh how the gently caress did I not know about this and yes, it is
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May 23, 2021 19:57
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biggest difference is that supply and demand assumes some objective principle that fixes the price of commodities
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May 24, 2021 06:28
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StashAugustine posted:I feel like Marx's writing you just have to put up with a tendency to ramble. Like that section is good and making a good point but you could cut half the sentences and it would still work remember when you were a kid and you'd get, like, 3 or 4 video games a year? if the games were short, you'd be bummed out. same thing with books back in the day. they'd have to be long because there were so comparatively few of them
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May 25, 2021 01:43
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May 26, 2021 04:32
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I move to substitute "the r word" with the master p slang term "clucker" I would also move that a new new young marxism thread be created to contain mod awfulness for the off chance that someone stumbles into the thread looking to learn about/discuss theory only to find it to be a trojan horse filled with 30 pages of mall food court/junior high quad drama and posters getting banned for calling it out
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May 27, 2021 02:02
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what would be a feasible way to establish a media and a visible, stable culture that espouses proletarian values? like, what would a rock band unironically singing upbeat songs about wealth and wage equity even look like? is it possible to make free food projects and political study/discussion groups things that aren't relegated to small groups of nerds, but are main stream activities?
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May 29, 2021 23:26
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anything with any degree of popularity? system of a down was a long time ago. I doubt more than one out of 100 or 200 people know about the coup
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May 30, 2021 00:09
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I'm sorry I didn't append a 2 page long barthes quote but media is what compels people to accept and endorse beliefs and activities counter to their better interests. there's no john lennon telling smelly hippies to imagine a better world, there's no smelly hippies. is there a tik tok equivalent? is it a big enough bloc to establish and maintain political power? I dunno and I suspect I'm too old to understand it if there is
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May 30, 2021 00:55
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bagual posted:john lennon was a liberal who beat his wife and loving sucked, the hippies were middle class larpers that went back to normal life the instant poo poo got serious, hope to have helped that actually doesn't help at all. it's ad hominem. doesn't matter if he was a forum moderator, he recorded imagine and millions of people listened to it and liked it and millions of people continue to listen to it and like it. by way of scattershot, some of them are bound to pay attention to the lyrics and some are bound to say "you know, he's right, I hadn't thought about that before" just by shear numbers alone. there isn't even that low bar being matched today and I'm not sure it's possible between media monopolization and algorithmic control of poo poo like youtube. I bring up this example and could say, like, bob dylan, not to laud them but to point out that it doesn't look like we're even allowed that anymore at any scale. hippies had a bunch of sex and did a bunch of drugs, they got part of the schema totally right
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May 30, 2021 03:00
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the fbi and the cpd assassinated fred hampton because he was forming a funk group
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May 30, 2021 07:47
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Demon Semen posted:That is also why hippies and anarchist organizations are tolerated by the capitalist class, and marxists are not, hth john lennon felled by an assassin's bullet. judi bari, attempted assassination. I'm sure there are a bunch of other earth first and wto protestors who got suicided. all hippies and anarchists. this thread, allowed to live. spooks don't give a gently caress about idealogies beyond knowing that they don't like it. I would also suggest that what determines a threat is how broad it's reach is. food not bombs is allowed to exist because no one wants to eat beans. riot ribs is immediately cointelpro'ed because if you're giving out ribs and hamburgers and other desirable food stuffs, that represents a threat. so yeah, this lovely thread is allowed to live because any hint of inquiry into a better world or how to go about realizing it is dogpiled for two pages
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May 30, 2021 19:52
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bagual posted:
pacifica radio, pot growers and environmental activists represent a substantial part of the american left for, like most of the 80's and 90's. if anyone in the u.s. knew or cared about what was going on in south america, or asia or even within the united states it was because they were hippies or hippy adjacent. so broaden that, make it so that anti-interventionism/anti-imperialism is considered the normal position rather than the extreme far left position. why does this notion trouble you so much?
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May 30, 2021 22:05
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:"The Voice of Labour": uh, drugs are cool y'all they are and marx would drink all of you under the table
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May 30, 2021 23:24
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more people will come to the party if you say there will be punch and pie
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May 30, 2021 23:35
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bagual posted:
I think you may be underestimating awareness in the united states. the number of people who know or care what the state department is up to is pretty low. the percentage of adult americans who could find brazil on a map is probably not much more than 25%. peace means cia cretins not arming and training death squads. it is an ultimately desirable end even if there are intermediate steps that first must be taken to obtain it
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May 30, 2021 23:52
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fine. better than being called a lib or a mod
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May 31, 2021 06:08
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Dreddout posted:Both the CNT-FAI and Mao's China declared drug use to be a symptom of the despair caused by capitalism. Meanwhile the Soviet Union attempted to stamp out alcohol consumption for it's entire existence. coincidentally, I'm sure, none is also the number of socialist movements that are active and which wield political power. mao smoked like 8 packs of cigarettes a day, and these were old school chinese cigarettes, loving hypocrite was running on a constant daily nicotine rush the likes of which is unimaginable today. the soviet union's only interest in stamping out alcohol consumption was to leave more vodka for inner party debaucheries. hypocrites, frauds, all of them. they knew power flows from the neck of a bottle or a pipe and they wanted to hoard it for themselves, like dragons, like capitalists. hippy drugs of choice are psychedelics and weed which are extra powermoderator dumb things to be down on. like, "what's the biggest obstacle in the way of creating and maintaining a socialist state? drugs that radically increase people's sense of empathy!"
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Jun 1, 2021 00:00
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bagual posted:there's plenty of countries with populations way more educated than the US that nevertheless act like pieces of poo poo on the world stage the point of contention is that while awareness and education may insufficient in and of themselves to effect change, they have primacy, they must necessarily come first. the proof is simple, the only way someone who is unaware of a problem will do anything to alleviate that problem is by chance. no one will do anything about anything unless they are first aware of it. regardless of what other conditions must be present or what comes next, that is step number one. we haven't done step number one yet. the wealthy countries whose agents butcher and oppress, the average person is unaware that that's the source of their luxury, they're usually at best liminally aware that it happens at all. the bourgeoisie news doesn't report it, the schools don't teach it, no one talks about it.
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Jun 1, 2021 00:12
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Atrocious Joe posted:shocking twist that the poster defending the worst aspects of the New Left also refuses to defend any actually existing socialist state or movement today you're just mad because no one acknowledged brecht as being an actually serious and good answer to whatever my original serious question was
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Jun 1, 2021 00:15
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