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tristeham
Jul 31, 2022



jacobin sucks so much

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tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


imo the main distinction between lumpen and the regular proletarial is that the latter has more leverage and is easier to organize. sadly globalisation has considerably diminished that leverage because it has multiplied intermediaries and companies can easily move from one country to the next.

people should probably stick through the first few chapters of the Capital, it becomes way more readable after that.

this one is a pretty good commentary, i'm guessing it's on libgen
https://www.versobooks.com/books/2264-the-philosophy-of-marx

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


unwantedplatypus posted:

Wait is the Losurdo book considered good? I assumed a book about an Italian calling a Georgian a black legend was being mentioned as a joke

it's a good book. verso are cowards for not publishing it

Ferrinus posted:

lots of capital is just marx predicting and debunking a liberal rejoinder to some extremely basic point he's making, so a helpful way to understand sections that seem to come out of nowhere is to ask yourself what disingenuous bullshit must have made marx mad enough to spend five paragraphs on this

most of marx's work is him bitching about his stupid contemporaries.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


apropos to nothing posted:

id also say that re: the discussion yall had earlier about reading marx, you should read with people, and not people online.

i don't see what's wrong with people online making you understand marxist ideas better. i live in a very small town and i don't have many opportunies to talk to stuff through irl.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


wow this is really bad. who writes this crap?

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


Lessail posted:

so why did the thread let this person reframe the convo from this to organizing

lol. i liked it when this thread was about marxism, vendettas against hypothetical hardcore stalinists aren't very interesting, it's not the fifties anymore.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


Azathoth posted:

How does Bradley K. Martin's Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader: North Korea and the Kim Dynasty hold up? I read it back before Kim Jong-Il died and mostly remember it for the bits and pieces of Kim Jong-Un's life in boarding school. He wasn't supposed to be the successor at the time so he didn't get much treatment as I recall.

the author works for Asia Times so i'm guessing it's pure propaganda

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


this one is good

https://www.barakabooks.com/catalogue/patriots-traitors-and-empires/

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


Raskolnikov38 posted:

theres a line between 19th century dude writing about savages and a nazi court philosopher

it really depends on which 19th century dude you're thinking of.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


MLSM posted:

Would this thread recommend Louis Althusser, specifically his books For Marx and Reading Capital? I know the dude was crazy and killed his wife but I keep seeing his works recommended on places like verso and others.

for marx is good

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


MLSM posted:

The haradrim are lumpenproles

should I read this one before his book on Capital?

i haven't had the courage to the read the commentary on capital yet, it's really long and looks overly complicated.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


croup coughfield posted:

[meanwhile the topic for my local chapter meeting tonight is enbys.

lmao

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


AnimeIsTrash posted:

This is an internet forum and I think that there are too many people who take it way too seriously. None of this internet poo poo matters, and posting is not praxis.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


gradenko_2000 posted:

jeremy corbyn ftw

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


DirtyRobot posted:

Domenic Losurdo has a good article about it: Towards a Critique of the Category of Totalitarianism. A pdf is not too hard to find

I also seem to recall a decent article in New Left Review or its blog about some of this. it mentions Pinochet specifically. Here it is: https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/rule-by-target seems to be reviewing a book I should probably get around to reading

http://www.pssp.org/bbs/data/document/1/Losurdo___Critique_of_Totalitarianism_%282004%29.pdf

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


debord was a failed artist, which is the kind of people you have to be the most suspicious of in political movements.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


zizek is a socdem and a natoist

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


croup coughfield posted:

what do you mean by this

his main point of contention with the NATO intervention in Serbia was that they should have started the bombing earlier.

during his political career in Slovenia he was involved with the liberal democrat party which when they were in power persecuted romas.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


gradenko_2000 posted:

I'm the guy yelling "don't take it out of context!!!"

lol

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022



they sure do lol

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


AnimeIsTrash posted:

There is a certain type of older person who's brain completely breaks when it comes into contact with what they perceive as "wokeness".

he lost his poo poo when one of his academic pals got suspended from her job because she sexually harassed and stalked one of her student for years

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


MeatwadIsGod posted:

You can always follow in the footsteps of our favorite Spartacist


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJe86RQq8lQ

lmao

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


Cuttlefush posted:

people always sign up for the purging because they think it's the fun part but they never wanna go build stuff together first. you're supposed to purge dear friends, not just weird strangers.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


vyelkin posted:

He also claims to be an anarchist yet freely admits that he got a bunch of young Indonesian communists killed by reporting on their activities to the CIA, but I'm sure those things are unrelated.

there's no contradiction there

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


lol @ thread title

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


AnimeIsTrash posted:

you amerifats have 800000000 threads on this subforum to talk about you countrys lovely politics, wghy do you always turn every thread into the same

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


Sunny Side Up posted:

Any recommendations for videos or podcasts (or books or anything) on a Marxist critique of Foucault or power dynamics between oppressed/exploited people? So far all I found is a quora post and BadEmpanada sharing evidence Foucault was a pedophile sex tourist

there's a collective book called Foucault and neoliberalism that has some pretty good essays.

there's also this

https://ctheory.sitehost.iu.edu/resources/fall2020/Rockhill_Foucault_The_Faux_Radical_Final_Version.pdf

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


KomradeX posted:

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if academic post modernism was propped up by the intelligence agencies just like art and literature was

they were. the frankfurt scholl got a poo poo ton of funding from the CIA.

there's even a former nazi propagandist (Paul de Man).

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


croup coughfield posted:

*eating a rotten lemon face* az is right

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


mycomancy posted:

You know, I don't appreciate you putting words into my mouth. I absolutely understand why people are attracted to religions, but that's not what was being discussed. I also never said anything about anyone's intelligence, but I did say that many Christian believers aren't true believers and hang on the historicity of Jesus to validate their weak belief.

Also you seem really mad. Have you tried being Christian? I hear that it's supposed to be super cool or something...

stfu

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i did see das rheingold recently where the gods exit towards valhalla at the end. wagner was an enthusiastic supporter for the revolution of 1848 (a german nationalist and all), and was writing anti-clerical and proto-socialist articles. but he obviously went in in a reactionary / romantic direction later which the nazis liked. lunacharsky was such a fanboy though that he thought they shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater, and that soviet composers should try to do as good a job at making operas.

his ring trilogy was originally supposed to have siegfried destroy a society corrupted by money and power, proclaiming a new social order based on love. wagner decided that was dumb, took the blackpill and developed doombrain (bourgeois ideology) and replaced him with wotan, representing the old order, powerless to prevent the oncoming ruin of the world.

wagner was obviously a reactionary but equating romantism to conservativeness is pretty anachronistic. wagner's scores were incredibly adventurous.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


hope croup is doing well

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


CRAZY KNUCKLES FAN posted:

Wish him nothing but the best, hope the thread can stay chill without him IKing it

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


croup coughfield posted:

poking in briefly to say: when i get my star back its going to be a loving bloodbath in here

wb!

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


AnimeIsTrash posted:

you should be killed for knowing and watching all these youtube personalities

harsh but fair

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


croup coughfield posted:

the boys are back in town


tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


Centrist Committee posted:

gotta say, this reconnection with radical religious movements is much more exciting than that stupid patriotic socialism bullshit that was making the rounds a while ago

it's the same garbage op, just taking different forms

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


dead gay comedy forums posted:

I consider his Diogenes-like trolling rather necessary to help some leftists get themselves together. As for an OP, I think that poo poo gets funnier and funnier because people forget that he is, well, Zizek: walking neurotic clusterfuck that lisps, twitches and sneezes as physical conversions because of how bad is his neurosis. Not exactly spookwork material imho haha

I like more the hypothesis that "Zizek is an op" is the op itself, which is more in like to the methodology and is far more effective to discredit someone who has a declared position against those interests. Also, that picked up more steam when he turned around on China a while back after receiving some pushback from the Marxist schools there in some points (the same happened with David Harvey, which iirc said that China is definitely the forefront of Marxist thought today)

lol have you read his natoist poo poo

i don't think his writings about ideology are very good, he's a prime example of the cultural shift in western communism, now most of the big self-proclaimed marxists intellectuals in the left have zero interest in analysing material conditions.

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tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


croup coughfield posted:

demon KKKracker chuds are mask off again

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