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since the old threads in fyad you all better be nice to me or ill destroy your asses. oh, and i might also give you 6 hour probes
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Flavius Aetass posted:poo poo they should make you a mod, you're good at this I thought we werent supposed to accuse other posters of being pedophiles
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May 15, 2021 23:35
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im an IK in fyad and a marxist. this is how dialectics work btw.
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May 16, 2021 02:53
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Dustcat posted:congrats to fyad for purging the communists. gentlemen, you have a reich... if you can keep it thanks 
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May 16, 2021 13:31
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May 16, 2021 17:49
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Trash Ops posted:lmao lol missed that one (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 16, 2021 20:29
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:wait when did oval office become a slur https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozWpY6Cn67Y
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May 17, 2021 11:51
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thatfatkid posted:Lol fmd Flavius you are such a dumb oval office lol this is it for me. idgaf about r word, from the start only complained cause of the arbitrary enforcement of rules which 100% were always meted out against posting enemies and ignored by others, applied to the whole "mods are pedophiles" thing too and basically everything in the history of the website. its totally absurd that words like "oval office" are banned in the joke politics forum on a website where 9/11 set to yakety sax was its most significant contribution to the world. i shant post in cspam again because the mods are idiots who punish people for saying oval office and it may be revealed at a later date that some of them have committed crimes of a sexual nature. i shall stick to the pink forum and laugh at you all assuming that i am not banned for this post given the ruling that it is illegal to laugh at the mods now. please organize people around you and at your workplace and dont post online all day about "leftist" politics because it will rot your brain and you will never change anything or organize anyone.
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May 18, 2021 01:24
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I stopped posting for a while cause Jeffrey told me some idiot moron goon made a report to the fbi about a obvious joke post I made in qcs where I was like “I’m gonna freakin blow your head off with a shotgun this is a real threat!” and so left for a while. came back and still post in fyad and imp zone, mostly don’t post here anymore cause the politics forums aren’t funny and lots of the posters politics are unhinged lol. if you would like to talk I’m happy to especially if you wanna join socialist alternative or dsa or are in either and wanna discuss stuff. mostly just busy due to pandemic and having to be a irl politics man and would rather post in the funny forums cause they’re funny. but I will always appreciate the haters and the fictional scenarios they have imagined about me
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Apr 10, 2022 16:12
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just absolutely unhinged lol
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Apr 15, 2022 16:15
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The Poster That Pisses Off The Various Weirdos Simply That He Exists MEGATHREAD
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Apr 15, 2022 16:17
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I will serious post for one time because I’m loving stupid but the reason posters here are unhinged is because they just go around like “the trots” like that means anything. what group are you referring to and what politics? I’m a member of socialist alternative, our politics are totally divorced from like the sep but on paper we’re both “trots.” so like the question of why are you a stupid horrible trot is answered by me with Kshama Sawant remains the only Marxist politician in the us and the approach I learned from joining them and being a member taught me how to functionally do stuff like win victories at my workplace and organize other people around my town and my state and the country. if you have another organization you wanna point me to that I should join but I very sincerely doubt you’re gonna show me anything with a better approach than what I’ve already found. happy to be proven wrong there but so far hasn’t happened.
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Apr 15, 2022 20:36
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trot is just a word used to describe people that communism-larpers dont like. it means whatever anyone wants at any moment. the largest trotskyist organization in the US is socialist alternative. the largest in the world is socialist alternative. i say that not to brag or something but more like, if you wanna describe "the trots" then you should look to the largest and most influential grouping that actually describes itself that way, or you can mention the specific grouping that you think are stupid and describe what they did thats stupid. i think maoists and stalinists are wrong and dumb but i dont call the red guard groupings "the maoists" theyre just mentally unwell people. the maoists in the us are frso, the stalinists in the us are cpusa. so basically people meet some guy they dont like and say stupid trot, or read what some crazy sectarian grouping says and say stupid trot. or for others marxism is an aesthetic for a bunch of online weirdos, some of whom post in cspam, and so they like stalin and wear the communism looking hat and prolly have ham/sic flags in their rooms and stupid poo poo because they think the color red looks better on their frame and so they go online and complain about the trots. nobody gives a poo poo irl. if you care so much about all this crap go complain about trots to your coworkers and observe how little they care. if you love stalin go tell your coworkers how much you like stalin and observe how concerned they become. none of this is me doing this to you, this is the life you chose for yourself and I am sorry on your behalf.
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Apr 15, 2022 21:56
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also lol at the one person being in the canadian communist party based on what little i know about them
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Apr 15, 2022 22:01
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im glad that i could help revive the thread for yall though. love the haters and honestly im glad i could finally give something back to them after all theyve given me over the years
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Apr 15, 2022 22:02
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socialist alternative australia is different from us, no affiliation whatsoever but continuing long tradition of groups just having exact same name due to all the good ones taken by long defunct groups from the 1920s
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Apr 16, 2022 03:19
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Ferrinus posted:the main unifying element across disparate trot organizations is parroting the state department line on every country not run by white people youre a member of dsa who very famously cant keep its members from giving billions of dollars of missiles to an apartheid regime. im a member too and i get that dsa is split over it and prolly you and i agree at least on how that whole deal should be handled but lol have some self awareness
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Apr 17, 2022 14:59
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again just totally out of touch with reality lol
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Apr 17, 2022 15:01
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Ferrinus posted:you seem to be deliberately confusing a political tendency with a named organization despite having drawn a line between the two like one page prior Ferrinus posted:the main unifying element across disparate trot organizations is parroting the state department line on every country not run by white people you literally said every trotskyist organizations despite whatever differences they have shares this in common lol
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Apr 17, 2022 15:53
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i did not say you are a loving moron, i merely stated that everyone who posts in this thread is a loving moron. learn to think.
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Apr 17, 2022 15:54
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Apr 17, 2022 15:57
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goons loving rock lol this thread is dead as hell and then the moment I post you get pages of people convincing themselves why trotsky is bad cause obviously thats the pressing issue of the day. why dont yall post about poo poo that should be done or that youre doing or point towards an organization youre a member of or people should join if you wanna be serious politics dorks or if you want it to be a funny thread then try actually being funny.
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Apr 20, 2022 23:48
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dead gay comedy forums posted:as his own say on important matters diminished, Trotsky began to complain louder and louder that the Revolution was failing itself due to reasons, however said reasons were not exactly a problem before that, as Trotsky was fully committed with war communism, the cheka, mobilization, etc lol ok this ones funny though yeah bro if only trotsky hadnt got all those S+ tier marxists killed, unfortunately stalin didnt have a choice even though he loved all of them and killing them set his r&d platform back he had to though to stop the infection from spreading across all of mother base
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Apr 20, 2022 23:51
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on my phone and just saw this all and loling cause please do a google search of mick barry and look at the poo poo he’s done in regard to BDS of Israel. he’s an Sa member of parliament in Ireland. you can also look at what Kshama has done in her limited capacity as a council person ins a single city in regards to bds. if the things we’ve done with our elected positions such as trying to expel the Israeli ambassador, ceasing exports to Israel etc. are anti bds then yeah we’re anti bds and I’ll take that every day over the pro bds of the social democrats in elected positions as dsa members. it’s also such a reductive position bds is a slogan an organization a strategy etc it means something different to everyone. if you actually read that article that is supposedly “anti” bds it outlines a position that details how boycotts divestments and sanctions could actually be used not just against Israeli companies and goods but against other corporations internationally that aid the occupation of Palestine. again, sick of unhinged people online who love to debate that oh you didn’t say the magic word so you’re bad while you e actually put our elected positions and comrades on the line for the thing we supposedly “oppose.” no actual desire to debate the issue and chart a path forward instead just wanting to use the oppression of Palestinian people as a prop to try to beat factional opponents that you have a grudge against for reasons you can’t even clearly articulate and are totally unrelated to Palestinian liberation. also great becaus again people love to poo poo over “western leftists” but Sa actually has a position informed by our comrades in Israel and palestine and you can read all about the poo poo they do there or in China or Brazil or Mexico or Nigeria or on and on but no those don’t really count for some reason. the way to win Palestinian liberation is to shout that you’re pro bds with no actual strategy of how to use the tactic in anyway, just a commitment to not buy any caterpillar industrial construction wquipment as a single individual and running interference for politicians who send billions of dollars of missiles to Israel.
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Apr 22, 2022 23:46
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if youd like to actually discuss what you see as being the strategy for winning palestinian liberation im happy to do so, but you dont. I even recognized that you and I are probably in agreement about what should be done regarding jamaal bowman, but that youre blanket attacking other groups for "parroting the state department line" while part of an organization that elects members like bowman who send weapons to israel and that, ya know you should have some self awareness of that fact. i for example am also a member of dsa and so am in that same position and i hate it and would like to change it, but i also dont go around accusing everyone i disagree with of working for the state department because of sectarian squabbles. So if youd like to discuss that point about palestinian liberation and what marxists should do to achieve it, im happy to discuss that. same if you wanna discuss that article which is very old but which i actually think is still correct on the whole. but you dont seem to want to discuss that, what you seem to want to do is to use BDS as a cudgel to win sectarian points. you can do that all you like but im not here for it, and its pretty loving ghoulish to do so as basically youre using the oppression of an entire people as a political tool to smear what you see as an opponent because of a 100 years ago dead russian man. its really loving gross and that kind of attitude is basically whats keeping genuine marxist ideas on the fringes of society. not because you are a genuine marxist because with attitudes like that how could you be, but because you present yourself as one and people who dont know any better believe you.
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Apr 23, 2022 00:34
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im home now, heres a link to how our political leaders actually act in regards to palestinian liberation. I wish any dsa congress person went half as hard as this https://internationalsocialist.net/en/2021/05/israel-and-palestine-2
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Apr 23, 2022 00:39
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drat actually reading through all the posts now from the week and jfc i could go off on a tear or two but ill save the thread that since everyone already seems to hate the bad posts enough already and also id rather play video games because i worked all day and im tabling and canvassing all day tomorrow
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Apr 23, 2022 00:50
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Azathoth posted:I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on this. No irony or bait or anything, genuinely interested. Azathoth posted:I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on this. No irony or bait or anything, genuinely interested. np, rushed cause want to get back to video games though so long rambling post ahead. basically most of what that article says is true imo and a lot of the comments youve made regarding how bds has failed too. bds has remained largely an "activist" demand especially in the us. its something that a layer of people, mostly paid political organizers for ngos, non profits, some others, as well as college groups etc. orient around for ideological reasons but dont have any concrete strategy for affecting change. for examplei went to a palestinian solidarity event after one attack and there was no call to action, was literally just "israel sucks, palestine is hurting etc." which ok thats fine, but what use is it? there was no call to action or way to move struggle forward. so thats first off, and this is true of all movements: you have to have demands to organize around. those can be broad or they can be specific depending on circumstance but they have to be concrete. so just blanket bds doesnt present a specific target, and even when they do like how a lot of people look at specific companies like sabra or caterpillar, theyre not anything more than a call to boycott those companies typically on an individual basis. the real action that could get things to pop off are things like organizing trade union action, so like the dock workers in mediteranean ports who during a recent round of violence actually halted a bunch of ships and refused to unload/load them because they were going to israel with weapons. that kind of action is useful. similarly, the point about israeli workers is an important one because guess what, were marxists, we see the palestinian/israeli conflict as a sectarian one and workers unity is what has to be used to overcome it. thats not a crude unity where we say israeli workers are just as aggrived as palestinian workers but it also means you cant take a crude aproach of blanket labeling all israeli workers as evil and all palestinian workers as good. so yeah, we do actually have to appeal to israeli workers to fightback against their horrible government. like most of us live in the US which is actually more responsible id argue for the apartheid system in israel than the actual israeli government due to the fact that its our support which keeps israel afloat, but no one here i would hope would argue we should ignore all american workers because theyre propping up a repressive regime. so anyway, bds the group actually calls for that stuff, they work to get trade unions involved and academic boycotts etc. but if youve ever been to a pro-palestine event theres very little calls for which unions to target and what demands to put to them. thats the disconnect i mean when i say bds is an org, a slogan, a tactic, it just means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean in that moment, and often the three are totally disconnected from each other. generally the people advocating for it arent recruiting rank and file workers to introduce motions at their union meetings in solidarity with palestine or to work to get their institutions/corporations to divest from israeli or apartheid supporting companies. even if they did, its also arguable how much blanket divestments/boycotts would be effective against the israeli regime. the threat of external attack is pretty much exactly what has helped keep the right in power in israel for so long, it would be hard to argue against that i think. so actions which feed into that can also help draw israeli workers further towards the right. its also true that palestinians make up ~40% of israeli populace and so are also workers in the israeli economy, they all work side by side at the same companies etc. so have to be very precise and ensure targets dont help feed into that narrative that the right puts forward. you can see this exact process play out right now in ukraine with how everyone is rallying around zelensky who has spent his presidency crushing labor unions and left parties there, but since ukraine is being invaded a lot of the opposition and regular people are rallying around him and the state to defend it. in fact, if russia is beaten back and ukraine "wins" on whatever basis you want to call it a win, id guess we will see a huge crackdown against the left and the ukranian state will actually come to resemble the russian state even more ironically, just with opposing foreign policy interests. again, the dock workers in france and i think italy are a really good example of what boycotts/sanctions could look like in a really positive way and even moreso if those actions can be tied to israeli and palestinian unions and workers, then it creates a pole of attraction for workers in israel/palestine to also engage in and support bds actions. people often point to the bds movement in s. africa but forget that it wasnt bds internationally that beat apartheid it was the actions of workers in s. africa. its also true that s. africa was ~90% black and ~10% white and class lines shook out much along those ethnic/color lines, in israel/palestine palestinians are a minority of the population and the class lines are not so neatly cut along ethnic lines, most israelis are still working class, so yeah for any kind of change to happen it will require support and cooperation of at least some progressive israeli working class forces, i dont see anyway that it doesnt. another thing and this is getting away from the question of bds but also on the issue of palestine that i hear debated a lot on "the left" where any nuance is seen as support for israel is the two state/one state issue. two states is what palestinians in palestine support. many on the left like to say there should be one state: palestine, basically saying israel shouldnt exist. ok but like what does that mean? does it mean a new consitution? well id hope so, but is that achieved by changing the name? who controls what a new constitution looks like? does it mean palestinians gaining total hegemony over the political process in the region? well, again in israel+occupied territories palestinians make up ~40% of population so youre talking about a minoritarian rule along ethnic lines, sounds pretty bad to me imo, its basically israel now but flip mode. if youre not talking about that then youre talking about basically integrating the territories together which would then create a state dominated by israelies, just like what exists now but with all of the territory of palestine "legally" occupied, sounds bad. if you mean all the israelis should be removed from the region as theyre all settler colonialists then actually, yeah you are arguing for ethnic cleansing against israelis and thats exactly the argument zionists like to paint the left as having because a lot of ultra left types actually do believe and argue that. they are fringe wackos but theyre what the reactionaries point to as being the left. so basically a two state solution would at least give palestinians national self-determination and its actually what palestinians in palestine want on the whole. i dont see how a one state solution on any grounds that a socialist could support could be achieved in the current situation. thats not to say it couldnt be the case under different circumstances which might arise later, thats true for any and all of this, but just reacting to the political situation as it exists right now. now as socialists we obviously dont stop at national self determination alone though because such a nation still has class conflict and there is a palestinian ruling class just like there is everywhere else, their status as an oppressed nation doesnt change that, though it might change some of the scale/balance if that makes sense. so we still have to argue for a socialist palestine, a socialist israel, not just stop at independence in whatever form that takes. thats a long rambling post, also full of holes and not very imprecise cause not trying to write a novel but hope it illustrates the complexities and how the reductive approach so many people use is so worthless. im sure i can be corrected on some things and not saying i have all the answers myself, im always open to ideas, but thats just some of the things ive come to understand about the issue. I definitely feel very strongly that its impossible to be "pro-palestine" and a politician in the democratic party because democrats will always support and defend israeli apartheid. its one of many reasons that i think an independent workers/socialist party in the us has to be the priority in the electoral arena for socialists, because of international issues like this.
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Apr 23, 2022 02:06
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apropos to nothing posted:np, rushed cause want to get back to video games though so long rambling post ahead. basically most of what that article says is true imo and a lot of the comments youve made regarding how bds has failed too. bds has remained largely an "activist" demand especially in the us. its something that a layer of people, mostly paid political organizers for ngos, non profits, some others, as well as college groups etc. orient around for ideological reasons but dont have any concrete strategy for affecting change. for examplei went to a palestinian solidarity event after one attack and there was no call to action, was literally just "israel sucks, palestine is hurting etc." which ok thats fine, but what use is it? there was no call to action or way to move struggle forward. 
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Apr 23, 2022 02:14
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:do trotskyities hate democracy as much as neoliberals do? the US is more democratic, than israel. do you believe that ethnic minorities have full democratic rights here? why would you expect palestinians in a single state to have what minorities in every liberal democratic regime lack and which they currently lack in the single state they inhabit? do you think zionism will go away when palestinians and israelis are forced to live under one state when they already live under one state and zionism reigns supreme? palestinians already live in that state and they are second class citizens in an apartheid regime. is that democratic to you? what would you propose as a single state solution that leads to any change in that state of affairs?
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Apr 23, 2022 02:33
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I appreciate atrocious joes post, its true that there are examples in the US but the euro ones came first to mind. the point is though as you say its a very fragmented movement that isnt always clear on goals. I do appreciate the post saying I hate democracy though because I think palestinians have a right to self-determination 
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Apr 23, 2022 02:36
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Atrocious Joe posted:a right of return for Palestinians makes demographic predictions hard fair, but how do you get to that point under the current situation? wouldnt a separate palestinian state be way more likely to have right of return for its own people than the current situation? wouldnt that be the kind of change that could facilitate some kind of reunification or change in different circumstances in the future? like im not opposed to a single state on principle, im just saying in the present circumstances thats what people in palestine seem to favor and its the demand theyre currently fighting for, not a demand around integration into a single unified israel/palestine state.
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Apr 23, 2022 02:41
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the right position=attempts to draw balance sheet of bds the left position=congressmen send missiles to israel
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Apr 23, 2022 03:41
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i cant engage in good faith anymore itt with this poster. its too much to ask of even the strongest man, and i am after all a very weak man.
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Apr 23, 2022 03:44
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Azathoth posted:I appreciate you engaging with me earlier. I don't know poo poo but hearing your perspective was legit helpful even if I don't know enough to agree or disagree on a lot of what you're saying. Thank you for taking the time to write that up. np, dont mind engaging itt or pms generally but one dudes just ridiculous and basically has made it his lifes mission to discredit the perfidious trots and all that they stand for. had genuinely forgotten how bad they are. can send other articles that are more timely about israel/palestine especially from last year when attacks were occurring
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Apr 23, 2022 12:07
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:what is this absurd deflection? the US is not a democratic country, either. so what? lol i honestly have no clue what to even make of this or the previous post. do you speak english as a second language? not trying to be a dick but really have no clue what point youre even trying to make and maybe theres a languag barrier. yes i hate democracy, it pisses me the freak off 
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Apr 23, 2022 12:47
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a single state with a socialist government would be the best possible outcome. a single world socialist society would be the absolute best possible outcome in all things. what are the forces that currently exist in israel or palestine that can realize such a goal? what are the events or forces that exist right now that make you believe that a single state emerges which is somehow both socialist and also does not oppress palestinians and keep the apartheid regime fundamentally in place? i specifically said in that long rear end post socialists should argue for independent socialist palestine and israel, because the demand for a palestinian state is the one palestinians have taken up, and we support that while also pointing out that independence on a non-socialist basis still wouldnt resolve the contradictions present. if palestinians on the whole wanted a single unified state with the israelis then that would mean that we would not put forward the demand for an independent palestine. its just like how in barcelona there is a popular independence movement and genuine desire among a lot of the people there for that demand and self determination, so we support it while still calling for a socialist catalonia, not just an independent catalonia and thats the end. in places and situations where there is no call for self determination then such a demand doesnt factor in.
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Apr 23, 2022 13:18
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Atrocious Joe posted:doing new organizing in my workplace, what union should we affiliate with mostly determined by industry and bargaining unit but you should really wait until you have a solid organizing committee and a lot of buy in before choosing who to affiliate with becaus depending on the union they may send staffers that will try to control things more and actually defang a lot of the energy and militancy of the union. have seen this happen myself and there’s a few examples now with the way sbw has handled the firings and union busting their faced with, or the contrast between alu and rwdsu
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In Training posted:Also this. I've seen a different part of my own workplace have their organizing stalled bc the union organizer they contacted say that strikes are pointless and encourage them to have an open shop contract. And now who knows when they'll get real wins, it's really demoralizing to deal with. oh wow that’s even worse than the stuff I’ve seen. that’s legit crazy about the open shop contract jfc
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