Dustcat posted:

congrats to fyad for purging the communists. gentlemen, you have a reich... if you can keep it

Brain Candy posted:

so i read stalin dunking on anarchists, and it was great. the only problem i'd have with it is all the talk of the imminent victory of the proletarians: it's proletarian revolution or mutual ruin of the contending classes and it seems like we're on path b. what can we do today in our current context? i see people organizing unions, okay, cool, is that viable in the timeframe we have? that seems too slow, very much so given nuclear annhilation and global warming going hand in hand

i feel like i'm building a very sophisticated model of how we're all going to die, instead what is to be done?

ArfJason posted:

New mario character who has an R on his cap and he moderates an internet forum

ArfJason posted:

cumshitter posted:

flavius is no different from a cop who lives in the suburbs and polices the city. he has no interest in being part of the community

Flying-PCP posted:

It's only harmful to call people ablist slurs, or accuse them of assaulting children, because class exists. When there's no more class structure, it will be impossible for those words to hurt people, and perhaps for any words to hurt anyone ever again, and that's why mods should give this thread permanent immunity from everything

Xelkelvos posted:

What do you think forums are? Collectivist rule? Forums are a dictatorship. Maybe more, but nothing less. It can be as cruel or as benevolent as what seems the most humorous at the time, and it is a dictatorship one can leave freely and only need to pay to enter. And under the dictatorship of the admins, they have mods to enact their own dictatorial will upon it as they see fit within the bounds of what the Admins see acceptable (just as IKs act as agents of the Mods will within those bounds)

Bring it to the attention of the Admins (ie: speak to their manager) if Flavius seems to be acting outside of what they should be doing just as one would complain to a Mod about a badly behaving IK.

exmarx posted:

it's been embarrassing watching you try to force your way into this thread, then kill the previous version when it didn't work. you've been told repeatedly that no one wants you here – there are other people who can moderate this thread, you don't need to read it.

all the bad word posting shows is that you don't have any kind of authority, no matter how many probations you give out. it's entirely a reaction to your consistently bad decisions. you hosed up really bad stepping on the xinjiang discussion, made more competent mods clean up your mess, then went straight back to antagonising.

it's clear that you aren't capable of interacting with the community without using your buttons, and seem intent on making yourself the centre of attention. please go away.

whiskey patrol posted:

Flavius Aetass posted:

straight up cretins itt

Minrad posted:

shooting down all those moderator meltdown predictions with an overnight posting meltdown speedrun

tokin opposition posted:

Man is a species-being, not only because in practice and in theory he adopts the species (his own as well as those of other things) as his object, but – and this is only another way of expressing it – also because he treats himself as the actual, living species [my emphasis]; because he treats himself as a universal and therefore a free being. The life of the species, both in man and in animals, consists physically in the fact that man (like the animal) lives on organic nature; and the more universal man (or the animal) is, the more universal is the sphere of inorganic nature on which he lives. Just as plants, animals, stones, air, light, etc., constitute theoretically a part of human consciousness, partly as objects of natural science, partly as objects of art – his spiritual inorganic nature, spiritual nourishment which he must first prepare to make palatable and digestible – so also in the realm of practice they constitute a part of human life and human activity. Physically man lives only on these products of nature, whether they appear in the form of food, heating, clothes, a dwelling, etc. The universality of man appears in practice precisely in the universality which makes all nature his inorganic body – both inasmuch as nature is (1) his direct means of life, and (2) the material, the object and the instrument of his life activity. Nature is man’s inorganic body – nature, that is, insofar as it is not itself human body. Man lives on nature – means that nature is his body, with which he must remain in continuous interchange if he is not to die. That man’s physical and spiritual life is linked to nature means simply that nature is linked to itself, for man is a part of nature. In estranging from man (1) nature, and (2) himself, his own active functions, his life activity, estranged labour estranges the species from man. It changes for him the life of the species into a means of individual life. First it estranges the life of the species and individual life, and secondly it makes individual life in its abstract form the purpose of the life of the species, likewise in its abstract and estranged form.17

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

"mindfulness" is just some poo poo white people made up. yeah I do mindfulness all the time, it's called CONCENTRATING

Atrocious Joe posted:

Celot is continuing the struggle in Luna Oi's youtube comments
https://twitter.com/LunaOi_VN/status/1395230892340047874?s=20

dead gay comedy forums posted:

this reminds me how every now and then some economics grad who is too clever for their own good (especially if they have some knack with math) stumbles into solving some postulate of mainstream economics

one mathy guy back at my uni figured out in a "huh" moment that the pareto optimum (the closest to ideal degree of something) for the distribution of goods and services to a society is impossible through free markets, as monopolization sets price fixing to preserve profitability

then he went to figure out how to fix that (through a math model) and realized that market deviancies and failures are features not bugs because any and all solutions had to out the "free" from market

the department did not accept his paperwork and refused to renew his scholarship lmao

docbeard posted:

Arfjason has accomplished more with one letter than Stalin with all his battallions.

Algund Eenboom posted:

This is why stages of society have to be thought of in terms of their relationship to the productive forces and property relations

- the "primitive" communist phase (property relations are regulated in terms of tribe, clan and kinship; since these relations are stultifying, where they are weaker, development towards the next phase is higher)
- the tributary phase (development both allows for and requires a new form of rationality, seen in the domination of ideology like monotheism; this results in property relations lets the dominant class control property and levy a tribute on laborers of that property; and where the hold of tributary ideology is weakest, such as france, the low countries and england, development towards the next phase is higher)
-the capitalist phase (base and superstructure are flipped, and now the base, economism, replaces ideology as the underlying rationality; now the property that is of most importance is not land but the means of production, and economic exchange replaces tribute)

exmarx posted:

https://twitter.com/profwolff/status/1469001647804215299

That Spooky Witch posted:

revolution via the pigs blood

pig sheds pig blood?

good.

what of us in the mean time?


plz don't post recommendations, the loving pigs are watching

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I like it.

I like to think of history being a point in time that's synonymous with living in Hell - a condition where people are constantly struggling for survival with nature and each other. A condition where we're fated to suffer thanks to causal forces that even predate the written record. If we're truly individual parts of a rhizomatic whole, then communism is the first step on the path to conquering history and realizing the self-aware rhizome.

The Voice of Labor posted:

lol yeah sorry. the world is cold and mechanical, rule governed and tractable. super structure is ephimeral over base. the soul and freewill are infantile superstitions

Brain Candy posted:

this is right, in a sense, but iron as an object isn't necessary. there was a time in human history when iron was something you put in cosmetics and not a something that you made pots or swords from. it became a thing distinct from the compounds it was in when it had other uses, and this distiction became clearer when modern chemistry was able to do more things with it

i'm saying this because iron as a type of atom with a certain number of protons existed, but it wasn't iron, not in the way we mean it now. and when you think of it now, i'm sure you think of it ways that are historically contingent, relations that are not strictly related to it's physical properties. all human modeling is like this, it's not just question of whether something quantifiable is involved. modeling is not the thing; it is how we make the the very real world intelligable

if you go deeper into the physics, iron disappears. iron is only a certain configurations of protons, neutrons and electrons, of which the protons and neutrons are also configurations. iron ceases to be a thing with an essence and something that is only a label, a reference

this is not an argument against there being a human-independent world, it's an argument against there being a thing that isn't socially constructed to some degree

Ferrinus posted:

grind a factory down into dust and show me a single atom of capital. you can't do it. and yet, capital real, strong, and my enemy

Ferrinus posted:

hell, fly someone in times square up into space and ask them to show you america. when they point you can just be like "no that is a continental landmass. where are these 'states' and 'borders' you speak of? none of my instruments are detecting such things, sounds made up"

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

wtf are you talking about? relative state formulation / many worlds / whatever doesn't "get you out" of any of those things, nor does it claim to, nor did I claim it did

neither does it deny determinism, in fact it affirms it. good grief

Cuttlefush posted:

Trotsky was Huey Emmerich but with kind of a debatelord edge. His most damaging qualities weren't really ideology but the way he was. A wrecker who just ends up loving and breaking everything he claims to hold dear repeatedly while whining. The ideology was never the real issue. I generally get the impression that he just could not control his desire to gently caress things up. Revisionism, reformism - whatever. That's never a big deal unless it comes along with the insatiable urge to gently caress everything up. The danger of a Trot is not their ideology but the probability that they will pull a Trotsky and just try to blow your poo poo up.

All flavors of the left do this kinda thing from time to time but Trotsky was so annoying about it that it has left an ideo-memetic memory imprint on all marx-lovers to abhor the Trot.

dead gay comedy forums posted:

"progress" in this context is historical progress, which is not necessarily a societal improvement

animist posted:

thats actually kinda amazing
imagine being the guy who rubber stamped that

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

china might just be too big to be fully colonized by any western power. and western racism might play a role which makes getting chinese capitalists on board with a U.S. project to overthrow the government more difficult. chinese are often framed by western corporate media as the chinese version of a jewish conspiracy pulling the strings on american politicians, and are responsible for every problem that happens. chinese women are objectified while chinese men are portrayed as asexual. everything the chinese do is disgusting and savage or part of some long-term scheme made by goat-bearded mandarins that is at someone else's expense. they're noticeably not-us and jackie chan would always be typecast as "the cop from hong kong" until he got tired of it and wanted to play different roles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcbS9-Ijg5w

like tom clancy's late ouvre is full of this outright racism, and he represents the thinking of a whole generation of american fourth reich blondies. once the russians have "converted" because they're basically white and ok without the marxist cabal in charge, then we can gangbang the chinese women together once the goddamned chinese men who are basically klingons and monsters are put in their place. that kind of structural, systemic demonization for decades makes it difficult to really normalize relations with china and then flip the elites to join the empire like what happened in russia -- it's perceived as treason in the U.S.