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May 15, 2021 22:44
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Volume 1 is not arduous at all except for maybe a couple chapters. Imo it is actually fun to read because on almost every page you feel like Marx is letting you in on a private joke as he trashes Proudhon or Nassau Senior or whomever. And there are still plenty of times where he makes otherwise obscure stuff about capitalism clearer to you. It's required reading imo. Vols 2 and 3 were not ready for publication by the time Marx died so they're tougher to get through. Haven't read Theories of Surplus Value because I don't care enough about the various deficiencies of classical political economy and Marx hones in on that enough in Capital to get the point across imo
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May 15, 2021 23:09
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gradenko_2000 posted:finished with Beevor's book on the Spanish Civil War last week, started on Parenti's book on Julius Caesar yesterday I finished this the other day. His chapter on the Catiline Conspiracy is really good. Was kinda surprised Parenti didn't mention that the quotations from people like Calgacus were most likely invented by Tacitus since it was common for ancient historians to use different historical figures as mouthpieces and just make up stuff that they said. Still, the class struggle in Late Republican Rome is fascinating. Fortunately more contemporary popular historians like Adrian Goldsworthy or Tom Holland focus on it, but that's probably a consequence of the post-2008 zeitgeist more than anything. Also as someone who lurked in the old thread I'm bummed because it was probably the most informative/useful thread in C-SPAM for me over the past couple years and imo if the mods just left it alone and stopped posting in it things would have been fine MeatwadIsGod has issued a correction as of 14:49 on May 17, 2021 |
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May 17, 2021 14:44
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Cookie Cutter posted:Are there any other sources that make the same claims about the Catiline Conspiracy as Parenti? I'm no expert but I've come across people saying Parenti basically made up his version of events, and I don't want that to be true but couldn't personally find anything to say otherwise. Most of the historians I've read tend to think that Cicero overplayed the conspiracy for material and political gain, but I can't remember any taking Parenti's line which is essentially that the entire thing was a self-fulfilling prophecy (i.e., Catiline originally had no intention of fomenting revolution but was pushed into it after being pressured into exile by Cicero and other optimates in the Senate). I also haven't seen other historians allege that all the documentary evidence for the conspiracy was fabricated or the work of informants/provocateurs working on Cicero's behalf. But Parenti makes a pretty compelling case for it imo. As with everything in this period of Roman history it's tough to untangle given the scarcity and ideological conformity of primary sources, especially since Cicero's own invectives against Catiline are one of the few sources we have.
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May 17, 2021 21:22
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indigi posted:can you just listen to Harvey without reading capital. I don’t want to read capital Just read it, even a slow-reading dumbass like me managed all three volumes in a short period of time. Harvey is a useful supplement chapter-by-chapter but he's not a substitute for just reading it because Harvey isn't the Marx Pope or whatever
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May 18, 2021 16:51
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tokin opposition posted:I will only read theory if it is printed on rolling papers and I get a free ounce if I can explain what use value is Move to Cuba 
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May 18, 2021 18:27
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Popper was an early member of the Mont Pelerin group so that is enough for me to say gently caress off and die
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May 20, 2021 15:15
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Raskolnikov38 posted:when flavius gets demodded do they add his star to the wall in the lobby? "If you seek his monument, look around you."
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May 21, 2021 05:05
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Give me the Instruction of the Temporary Commission of Republican Surveillance any day. Fouché did nothing wrong
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May 23, 2021 17:50
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Love to be ruled by a cabal of pedophiles irl and here on the Something Awful Forums
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May 27, 2021 01:04
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The GOAT is that footnote in the chapter on the Law of Capitalist Accumulation where Marx goes off on Malthus and the other Protestant parson bourgeois economists. It's one of the times in Capital when his footnote runs on for like 3 pages uninterrupted lolquote:If the reader reminds me of Malthus, whose “Essay on Population” appeared in 1798, I remind him that this work in its first form is nothing more than a schoolboyish, superficial plagiary of De Foe, Sir James Steuart, Townsend, Franklin, Wallace, &c., and does not contain a single sentence thought out by himself. The great sensation this pamphlet caused, was due solely to party interest. The French Revolution had found passionate defenders in the United Kingdom; the “principle of population,” slowly worked out in the eighteenth century, and then, in the midst of a great social crisis, proclaimed with drums and trumpets as the infallible antidote to the teachings of Condorcet, &c., was greeted with jubilance by the English oligarchy as the great destroyer of all hankerings after human development. Malthus, hugely astonished at his success, gave himself to stuffing into his book materials superficially compiled, and adding to it new matter, not discovered but annexed by him. Note further: Although Malthus was a parson of the English State Church, he had taken the monastic vow of celibacy — one of the conditions of holding a Fellowship in Protestant Cambridge University: “Socios collegiorum maritos esse non permittimus, sed statim postquam quis uxorem duxerit socius collegii desinat esse.” (“Reports of Cambridge University Commission,” p. 172.) This circumstance favourably distinguishes Malthus from the other Protestant parsons, who have shuffled off the command enjoining celibacy of the priesthood and have taken, “Be fruitful and multiply,” as their special Biblical mission in such a degree that they generally contribute to the increase of population to a really unbecoming extent, whilst they preach at the same time to the labourers the “principle of population.” That's like only a quarter of the footnote
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May 27, 2021 23:12
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indigi posted:maybe because people feel like it doesn’t adequately address race and gender issues For anyone who legitimately feels this way I'd be curious to hear their thoughts on the Black Panther Party
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Jun 16, 2021 19:19
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indigi posted:I could be wrong but I was under the impression that specifically addressing race was a big part of the Black Panther Party My point was that the whole race reductionist vs class reductionist discourse is a disingenuous wedge tactic and the BPP understood that pretty clearly. It's a false dichotomy.
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Jun 16, 2021 20:52
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Keep in mind that the Communist Manifesto was published like weeks before the Springtime of the Peoples popped off. Marx and Engels were aware that Europe was on the cusp of a revolutionary situation and obv they weren't alone in that assessment. But the '48 revolutions were all pretty evident failures within a year or so and that went for Chartism too. Combine that with all the new injections of gold into the system from the gold rushes in America and Australia and Marx and Engels had to reassess their timescales for any revolutionary potential in Europe after that.
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Jun 25, 2021 22:30
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Absolutely. I think they had every right to be optimistic going into 1848.
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Jun 25, 2021 22:39
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Iirc the host of In Our Time is literally a Lord so yeah Although definitely listen to the episode where someone brings a chromatography set into the studio to demonstrate what it looks like...on a radio show lol
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Jun 29, 2021 16:52
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The American revolution did one unironically good thing - bankrupt the French crown and allow for the chad bourgeois revolution to foment
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Jul 5, 2021 12:25
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I wish I could go back to the time before I knew who this was
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Jul 6, 2021 16:45
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Red and Black posted:So is this just Marx's way of describing the thought process of exchange prior to the emergence of money? Right, it's just describing the logic of trade at the level of commodity producers. Given Marx's disdain for bourgeois economists of his day using Robinson Crusoe to describe what "natural" tribal economies were actually like, it's probably fair to assume he's not actually arguing this is what trade was like before metal currency was introduced. But the equivalent form is important for when he brings money into the argument because of its function as a universal equivalent that can be exchanged for all commodities.
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Jul 8, 2021 19:04
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Cpt_Obvious posted:This is a great post. I think I missed what "cmop" stands for tho. Presumably "capitalist mode of production"
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Jul 10, 2021 15:54
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/Anime_Tankie/status/1417588506780585984 "Today's episode is sponsored by the Mykola Lebed Human Rights Foundation"
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Jul 21, 2021 13:38
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my bony fealty posted:thats sci fi yeah I only got a cursory look at this stuff in college but isn't epigenetics dealing with certain genetic markers/expressions being more likely but not necessarily guaranteed from generation to generation? I learned about it within the context of, like, predispositions to addictions being inherited but that even then it can and frequently does skip generations. "Epigenetic trauma" sounds like straight pseudoscience to justify poo poo like standpoint theory in increasingly ludicrous circumstances. Like the Zionist grandchildren of Holocaust survivors claiming epigenetic trauma means only they can speak on antisemitism or whatever. My understanding was that even if the genetic markers for certain types of behavior were "activated" it means only that someone would have a predisposition towards said behavior and nothing more. MeatwadIsGod has issued a correction as of 13:46 on Jul 26, 2021 |
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Jul 26, 2021 13:35
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Please keep Assassin's Creed Marx out of the thread thanks
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Jul 27, 2021 14:05
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So it's like DC's International Spy Museum but for dumb American tourists?
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Jul 27, 2021 19:30
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Harry Villegas would be my go-to
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Jul 29, 2021 16:42
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Can anyone recommend good histories on the Ba'ath and Communist parties in Iraq and Syria? I know a little about CIA plots in the '50s and '60s and the Ramadan coup but nothing else really
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Jul 30, 2021 13:30
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Judge Dredd Scott posted:i'm not 100% sure what this wiki is, but somebody reuploaded all of marx/engel's writings on the american civil war after they got copyright murdered from marxists.org a few months ago If you want concise explanations of the slave power maneuvers of the 1840s-50s around reapportionment Marx's articles for Die Presse are great. Whenever he or Engels trash McClellan as a traitorous jackass it does my heart good
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Aug 3, 2021 01:55
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Cuba is imo the best gateway drug for Americans to start deprogramming our anticommunism. Since they're a tiny island nation blockaded by this huge superpower it gives them a kind of sympathetic underdog character and the same is true of the July 26 guerillas in the Sierra Maestra. Obviously they had very well organized urban networks in Havana or Santiago under people like Frank Pais but the guerillas in the mountains get bled down to like 15 guys in the early days and about 2 years later they've taken Oriente, Santa Clara, and Havana. Then you get into what they actually accomplished in terms of literacy, public health, etc. despite the constant US harassment (including kidnapping, supporting reactionary guerillas in the Escambray, etc.) and it makes them look even more superhuman. Plus it's easier for Americans to unlearn propaganda about the dastardly Soviets when they realize what a lifeline the USSR was to Cuba once the embargo ramped up and that Cuba modeled its institutions on the USSR (JUCEPLAN, etc.). And then you realize "oh poo poo every socialist state has made similar extraordinary accomplishments under similar handicaps" and whatever latent anticommunism you had is pretty much gone
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Aug 5, 2021 12:37
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lmao
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Aug 7, 2021 01:34
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Started reading The State and Revolution and wow Lenin was a catty bitch. Page 1 and he's spent half of it explaining Engels and the other half taking potshots at rivals. He was justifiably pissed that self-proclaimed Marxists were ignoring whatever Marx and Engels wrote about the aftermath of the Paris Commune and what lessons should be taken from it. A lot of them were still acting like parliaments were still a viable path to socialism despite all the historical lessons of both the 1848 revolutions and 1871. Choice quote from Engels on the "anti-authoritarian" position of the anarchists. quote:Why do the anti-authoritarians not confine themselves to crying out against political authority, the state? All socialists are agreed that the state, and with it political authority, will disappear as a result of the coming social revolution, that is, that public functions will lose their political character and become mere administrative functions of watching over social interests. But the anti-authoritarians demand that the political state be abolished at one stroke, even before the social relations that gave both to it have been destroyed. They demand that the first act of the social revolution shall be the abolition of authority.
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Aug 11, 2021 15:09
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Something I love about Capital is that the preface to the fourth edition is mostly Engels relitigating some decades-old dispute about whether Marx misquoted William Gladstone. The 19th century equivalent of posting Twitter screenshots to win an argument
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Aug 11, 2021 15:32
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gradenko_2000 posted:Certainly it's one of the more impactful books I've read this year, and has filled gaps in my knowledge about Cuba with specifics beyond "socialist island good" Thanks for posting excerpts. It looks like this author also has a book focusing on Che's time at INRA and the Cuban National Bank. Jon Lee Anderson's biography goes into this a bit, but it's always nice to get more detailed info when possible. When you read about how he only took a meager commandante's salary even though his positions in government entitled him to more and how committed he was to cracking down on even the slightest abuses of office it definitely makes you want to learn more about the situation. I know that just within INRA's first year its rural development wing had built more than 500 buildings in the countryside for electrification, plumbing, schools, hospitals, etc.
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Aug 12, 2021 13:16
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gradenko_2000 posted:You might wanna check out "The Dead Hand" by David Hoffman, though there's going to be overlap This is good for gems like "Reagan didn't take thermonuclear war seriously until he saw The Day After on TV" lol. Both this and Command & Control are pro-reads though
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Aug 20, 2021 19:26
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/ProletariatRis1/status/1429850948982087700?s=19 Sigh. When Wolff called Huey Long a fascist I knew something was off. Just another reminder that western Marxist public intellectuals are gonna be severely hemmed in wrt the analysis they're allowed to have if they wanna reach any degree of prominence. Seems like if you're publicly pro-Lenin, Stalin, or Mao you're immediately ostracized in academia so this is what we're left with. David Harvey, for as good as he can be on Marx, is pigeonholed this same way either intentionally or unintentionally
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Aug 23, 2021 18:38
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Marx wrote a draft final chapter for vol 1 of Capital that deals with productive labor in a bit more detail. From the standpoint of capitalist production, "productive" labor is labor which produces surplus value. There are times in vol 1 when Marx looks at, say, a single factory or production process from a distant enough vantage point to say all these individual workers doing some small but necessary step in the process are, in aggregate, one "total" worker. In this draft chapter he makes allowances for what you'd consider white-collar work in the production process - engineering, management, etc. - as productive labor. Since engineers, managers, etc. are necessary for developing new machines, techniques, etc. for the production of surplus value, it's insignificant to the capitalist whether they're doing manual or mental labor - from the "total worker" standpoint of the factory as a whole everybody's producing surplus value.
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Aug 24, 2021 02:28
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exmarx posted:daddy issues lol
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Aug 24, 2021 10:48
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*hands a copy of Capitalist Realism to a CPI(M) member in Kerala* "I'm sorry but you have to give up now."
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Aug 24, 2021 20:27
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Havana Syndrome sounds like a bad Frederick Forsyth novel
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Aug 24, 2021 21:13
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mila kunis posted:any good books that are like, capital updated for the 21st century (pls no piketty) that summarize and build on marx's stuff but with modern references and a century's worth of learning/experiences to draw on Anything by Paul Cockshott basically. He has a really active YouTube channel where he often reiterates stuff from his books and he always responds to questions/comments.
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Aug 26, 2021 21:12
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Asiatic epigenetic cowardice. You hate to see it
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Aug 28, 2021 21:55
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