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so i read stalin dunking on anarchists, and it was great. the only problem i'd have with it is all the talk of the imminent victory of the proletarians: it's proletarian revolution or mutual ruin of the contending classes and it seems like we're on path b. what can we do today in our current context? i see people organizing unions, okay, cool, is that viable in the timeframe we have? that seems too slow, very much so given nuclear annhilation and global warming going hand in hand i feel like i'm building a very sophisticated model of how we're all going to die, instead what is to be done?
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May 16, 2021 16:21
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Mr. Lobe posted:I struggle with despair myself. I think for a lot of people, the demobilization of the pandemic has taken a big chunk out of our morale, because there just haven't the same (limited) opportunities for organizing that existed even 2 years prior. but, things will change, and your mood will change, if you don't allow yourself to be permanently stuck in a rut i legitimately get this and i'm trying to keep things open like you mention. it just seems like 'raising class consciousness' is a strategy from a different time that we're doing because Zodium posted:well, you got anything better to do? rather than a genuine belief in it as a strategy this isn't just whining, i think the world is meaningfully different than when those strategies originally were deployed. i'm asking more if anyone knows of poo poo that talks about what these changes mean, with the same rigor of analysis of ye olde greybeards, with the same drive towards providing a project to stave off ruin
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May 16, 2021 16:43
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May 17, 2021 01:28
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Victory Position posted:I always got the feeling that Mithraicism was always more made up than an actual mystery cult, but it was wholesale fake? completely made up by the Roman state as their solar worship cut-in? Mithridates -> King of Pontus Caesar -> Queen of Biythnia Mirthas -> Sol Invictus
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May 17, 2021 15:34
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mila kunis posted:anyway i'm part of our neighbourhood's tenant organization group that fights landlords and evictions. the deck is completely stacked for landlords in this trash place, someone linked us this vid from an eviction hearing and lmao complete psycho poo poo
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May 18, 2021 04:09
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Cpt_Obvious posted:If you hate observable truth, you should try Socrates. even this is wikipedia-reader thought its was all about discovering and describing the limitations so you could overcome them, not about denying the world existing
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May 18, 2021 19:20
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like drat this descarte guy doesn't believe in objective reality, that's why he invented the mathematics that's used in engineering or socrates that fool (really plato), the founder of political science smh
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May 18, 2021 19:22
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indigi posted:I don't understand how with the immortal science, i do quote:If you take as a given that everything is class struggle see this right here? your words come from outside the cave and celot is fighting a projection from the inside of it
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May 18, 2021 19:36
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Celot posted:You’re welcome to post your objections. does Marxism say which sandwich i eat is class struggle?
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May 18, 2021 19:49
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Cpt_Obvious posted:
oh i know. i just felt bitchy no harm friend
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May 18, 2021 19:49
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It was a throwaway jab because this dude is arguing in circles.
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Celot posted:You don’t see it as a problem that you can use your theory to predict A and not-A? congrats on destroying quantum mechanics i guess?
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May 18, 2021 20:48
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if you have a big lump of uranium, you can predict the rate at which you'll get some nice alpha emissions. it's regular enough that you can use a scale like a clock (half-life) however what you can't do is predict which particular atom will decay. this is not permitted, both practically and fundamentally. the theory predicts both the decay and non-decay of the atoms, but with unequal probabilities. this permits the overall lump to have a tendency that you can describe, radiation in your face a fully deterministic theory would be less sophisticated and more naive Celot posted:You don’t see it as a problem that you can use your theory to predict A and not-A? Celot posted:QM predicts a probability distribution. Can Marxism? Like half the time there’s a mass religious fundamentalist movement and half the time there isn’t? QM predicts that a particular atom will decay and not decay? now that we've moved the goalposts if you're asking if there are Marxists statisticians, the answer is trivially Yes! the first being eponymous
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May 18, 2021 21:09
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Celot posted:Ah I forgot everything is a material condition, including one’s mental state. What a great theory! it's true, the soul exists in some other realm governed by the four fundamental forces: spleen, bile, idiocy and horny
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May 18, 2021 21:26
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mad about religious fundamentalism AND certain that the cause is ineffable, i love it
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May 18, 2021 23:12
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Raskolnikov38 posted:have breathing exercises/thoughtfulness ever helped anyone ever? none of that poo poo has ever reduced my anxiety a single iota deffo helped me stop being a nervous wreck. incredibly slow though also lead to the same insight i've heard from LSD peeps; self is an illusion, everything is connected. occasional ego death is great ime e: mindfullness though, which does breathing things as a focus not a primary task Brain Candy has issued a correction as of 15:05 on May 19, 2021 |
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May 19, 2021 15:03
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:mindfulness is just the first step to even be able to understand your own emotions in a dialectical way. its hard to find and analyze the function of certain intrusive or negative thoughts when they are causing you actual stress and anguish. bingo, it didn't make me less mad about things it made me more mad if anything. it gave me clarity it's popularity is absolutely some white-people lib bullshit, as a tool of control. oh, so you have anxiety about the world boiling? or getting sick? or paying your rent? or a pandemic. control yourself and all is right the other side of it is that you can do something humans have been doing for thousands of years which is prayer or meditation or whatever you want to call it where you go to a quiet place and reflect on your thoughts and feelings. it's absolutely not about suppressing them or silencing them, it's about understanding them. this can reduce your overall agony because there are negative loops, like where you get anxiety about being anxious and other such unhelpful bullshit (this is not some mystical thing, each time you recall something you destroy that memory and recreate it physically. memory retention is tied to emotional intensity: this is why PTSD can get worse with time, as the memories actually strengthen as the new experience reinforces the old) also you can get ego death occasionally this way, same as if you are in the zone on playing music or something, it's very difficult to describe obv. but i think it helps with drive and compassion
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May 19, 2021 19:24
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Morbus posted:Taking it for granted that "some people are just unaccountably mentally defective and that explains why they don't do what you want them to do" is the first and most critical step towards forming plans that do not require the active consent & cooperation of every jackass in the room, and thereby actually getting something done. imo it's simpler just to note that cognition is formed by experience and occurs in the physical world, ideas are not prior to experience. there are going to be people, for whatever reason, who can not understand the perspective you are coming from no matter how hard you try no essence of stupidity needed
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May 19, 2021 21:00
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:there is no reason to use the phrase "short bus people" when there are far more descriptive words available, like "anarchist"
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May 19, 2021 21:00
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I just don't get the cleverness of saying "Ah hah, according to another framework, your framework is incomplete" when both frameworks are unprovable and based on a finite human frame of reference falsifiability is a useful, in that it's very important to have an way to kill your favored ideas. even physics forgot this and crawled up it's own rear end for a while with string theory: if all you are looking for is consistency, you can explain the movement of the sun as Ra's chariot just fine, or it's all strings, or it's all turtles. it's that this kind of tool has an older name, epistemology, and it's a literally ancient field. the scientific method is 'just' one of the things that goes in the box to be deployed when useful. i don't need to invoke godel (although that's cool!) to say trying to always use it in the way popper ment it would be stupid, trying to use it universally is utterly incompatible with trying to say almost anything about history
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May 20, 2021 13:14
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DSA: unitarianism with socialist characteristics prove me wrong
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Jun 13, 2021 19:22
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Torpor posted:the Reds of the 1900-1930s had gender and racial justice as planks, some of the big civil rights cases in the South were defended by communists. the magic of just loving lie while holding on to all the printing presses and megaphones
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Jun 16, 2021 20:11
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dead gay comedy forums posted:you're welcome, keep'em coming it's why the 'betrayal' of the squad was the most likely outcome, game was rigged from the start
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Jun 17, 2021 23:39
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Larry Parrish posted:He should big up a ride to Yemen and see it first hand. And also not pack any MREs for himself. he should eat nothing but fish soup
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Jun 22, 2021 16:21
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okay, the subforum description text is good now
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Jul 2, 2021 15:39
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euphronius posted:1965 was the first time political rights were available to all Americans more or less so it seems like a good demarcation for a “new republic” of course once the franchise was established universally the goal became to make it worthless
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Jul 6, 2021 20:25
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Yes. That is my point. That Americans are ideological thinkers, and that insofar as you can call American a "national" identity it's defined purely in ideological terms. Peasants in Russia & China still have essential qualities that define their nationhood which don't depend on their relation to a political economy. For America to become a socialist state would mean overthrowing 250 years of national tradition. Yes, but that national tradition is predicated on there always being a new frontier to offload the problems onto. 'voting with your feet' and so on. It will be overthrown because of a lack of frontier regardless of how anyone has been trained to think.
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Jul 7, 2021 15:58
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the problem I have with that is that while the capitalists of Germany and Italy benefitted immensely from fascism, they never really had much political power. or maybe they just didn’t need to have any the later right, you could say the same in the us right now formal polical power is different than power, the ability to say no to the war ministry during a war when you make steel is the expression of power
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Jul 10, 2021 12:08
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MLSM posted:How are you so consistently ignorant in every thread self-proclaimed anarchist iirc
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Jul 17, 2021 18:20
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Larry Parrish posted:im glad the admins have reactivated angerbeet to ruthlessly hunt me down for calling people 'moderator-brained' like the t-1000. What's wrong with the mods on this website. they fear you will grow too strong if your have all the Words of Power
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Jul 27, 2021 13:15
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imagine i quoted all of itBuck Wildman posted:god what a loser
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Aug 7, 2021 13:54
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:i 100% support the taliban in their struggle against american imperialism
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Aug 15, 2021 14:55
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:why is it hard to hold the two ideas "the taliban is bad" and "defeating imperialism is good" in the same brain those brains assign events the essence of the good or bad in some kind of naive idealism because the relevant thing is how you are going to feel about events and how you are going to display those feelings. it's not really different than deciding whether the last season of 'popular streaming show' is good or bad
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Aug 23, 2021 17:07
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:American leftists are all cringe in this exact way. please explain it to me like i'm a stupid baby soaked in ideology for all of my life
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Aug 23, 2021 18:49
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Making broad conclusions based on snippets and half-understood clippings from decades ago. An assumption that you definitely know what you're talking about because you just decided to stop being a liberal last month. thanks, i appreciate it Pener Kropoopkin posted:Like, the main thrust of that article is that their conclusion was the Soviet Union was state capitalist and not communist - which Lenin would have agreed with. The Soviets knew what they were doing in an effort to construct socialism. yeah this in particular seems obvious? you don't exactly get to pick your final form when lurching from a civil war to a world war to a cold war starting with a peasant society. and they failed to our collective misery. and now china is trying to ride the same tiger with less external pressure, hopefully having gotten the West to sell them the rope is this all about babies who don't think it needs to be built? the same original teleological stupidity?
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Aug 23, 2021 22:44
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Raskolnikov38 posted:go away you got got, it's a quote
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Sep 10, 2021 00:09
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Oct 24, 2021 20:58
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AnimeIsTrash posted:You get his legs, i'll get the ice pick. ice axe wait, gently caress!
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Nov 25, 2021 03:25
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dead gay comedy forums posted:I suspect that being not easily recognizable names like Marx, Engels, Mao, Lenin, Stalin etc, makes their ideas more permeable in academic contexts; american socialism seems to be very centered in academia once reagan was president i think quote with N. Korea is still apt because it's it pointing at this flaw: many Westerners are infested with a stupid concept of purity. there's a not so subtle worship of weakness and martyrdom that comes from Christianity, that it's better to be personally virtuous and fail than to be 'sinful' and succeed and it doesn't matter that the people wouldn't necessarily call themselves Christians when they've absorbed the Christian ideal of the Good which values inward focus, passivity
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Dec 25, 2021 19:49
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gradenko_2000 posted:
hierarchy itself is immutable. someone's gain must be someone else's loss in the war of all against all, eliminating second class is unthinkable; how will you pull yourself up if there's no one to push down on? it must be good that you take bread from people's mouths and give some of it back in charity. it has to be
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Dec 27, 2021 17:29
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:How do you empirically define a concept like "communism?" Does it have length or width? Does it have mass? It's stupid to even think about it. The fact is that even our own definition of communism is socially determined, and there's more than one definition for it. You can't say the same of an iron compound, which has objectively measurable qualities - and how we define it can only be wrong in terms of a lack of understanding rather than differences in interpretation. No matter how we think about it, iron is iron. this is right, in a sense, but iron as an object isn't necessary. there was a time in human history when iron was something you put in cosmetics and not a something that you made pots or swords from. it became a thing distinct from the compounds it was in when it had other uses, and this distiction became clearer when modern chemistry was able to do more things with it i'm saying this because iron as a type of atom with a certain number of protons existed, but it wasn't iron, not in the way we mean it now. and when you think of it now, i'm sure you think of it ways that are historically contingent, relations that are not strictly related to it's physical properties. all human modeling is like this, it's not just question of whether something quantifiable is involved. modeling is not the thing; it is how we make the the very real world intelligable if you go deeper into the physics, iron disappears. iron is only a certain configurations of protons, neutrons and electrons, of which the protons and neutrons are also configurations. iron ceases to be a thing with an essence and something that is only a label, a reference this is not an argument against there being a human-independent world, it's an argument against there being a thing that isn't socially constructed to some degree
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Jan 31, 2022 04:03
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