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Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Sad it doesn't use the Imperator terrain map, can't stand the CK3 look.

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Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
The best way to get that stuff in 1880 is to run a railroad fiefdom. This system is way better.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
They are right

That "Most Underproduced" goods chart having grain as the top item is extreme "one million is a statistic" energy

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

AnEdgelord posted:

They're also right that I'll still keep playing that garbage

:hai:

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
It’s 100% going to be a waldetoft score with maybe a dlc where sabaton sings about Prussians and Rorkes Drift

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
You don't even need a mod to have period music btw. Turn music volume in the game down and then find one of the appx 10 million spotify or youtube playlists for "habsburg military marches" or "sea shanties" "socialist music" or "turkmenistani folk"

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Without either events or focus trees I have 0 confidence "dynamic south american revolutions" would result in anything but godawful CK 867-looking South Americas, especially before any expansions come out. Expansion fodder? Sure.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
It’s not a joke. Victoria ascended in 1837 and Johan “Tex” Andersen moved the start back a year to have the Texas Revolution playable. The original end date wasn’t even 1936, it was 1920.

Lol at scrubs who didn’t play original un expacced V1 for a thousand hours while the rest of the school went on dates.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
If they improve the battle AI a bit it'd be amazing in Vicky if you couldn't directly control your troops, only give general orders. I wanna feel like Lincoln cycling through AotP generals or sack Field Marshal after Field Marshal as the years of static front drag on.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
No, separate Age of Enlightenment game, 1764-1836

After of course Migration Era and Crusader Cao Caos

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
V1 Britain was the only PDX AI I ever saw that would consistently transport troops overseas to successfully launch attacks. And they were total bullshit with their gazillion manpower of indian divisions.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

ThatBasqueGuy posted:

Oh hey actual good question for Wiz: Will the peru-bolivia confederation be modled at game start?

Also first game as substate Tibet, you already start pretty tall so it can't be hard to play it

They’re in both of the previous ones

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
I really hope you don't get to be a great power via painting and operas in V3.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Crazycryodude posted:

Oh for sure but that means I want more mechanics and sliders about becoming a Great Power via paintings and operas, not to remove paintings and operas

The only deciding factor for being a GP is "can you enforce your will on other countries"

gently caress "guess Brazil has the best painters so we have no choice but to sell them all the coal"

The US didn't suddenly start respecting Mexico's sovereignty because Frida Kahlo painted good.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

really queer Christmas posted:

Mexico lost all their prestige from losing to a bunch of yokels in Texas. They needed a lot more painters imo.

Also, cultural hegemony is a thing. If Mexico were to be a cultural phenomenon that had influence over the whole of Latin America because of their cultural output, would that not be a great power?

Does Brazil care if this Mexico demands they make some trade concessions? What does this Mexico do if Brazil refuses?

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
The map looks a lot nicer in those shots.

Also, the Boshin War irl had fewer casualties than like, three Fall of the Samurai TW battles will have. Like 5000 killed. Please don't add it if it's going to end up a giant multi-year civil war every time like how it's impossible for anyone to take England by the end of 1066 in CK3.

Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 23:27 on May 25, 2021

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
And I repeat myself, having one Japan tag means you get a semi-proper Boshin War and not a FotS clusterfuck that takes ten years for the AI to resolve.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Fascist or occasionally monarchist path is p much always the best in HOI. Did you know that if Hungary invited the Habsburgs back the whole rest of the Empire would've peacefully submitted to hungarian domination?

Also Greater Estonia lol

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
I'm just glad Prussia won't be dumbass invincible wehraboo supersoldiers in Vicky.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Raenir Salazar posted:

Honestly support for weird Steampunk/Dieselpunk alt-history military equipment like zeppelins and Red Alert poo poo would be pretty cool.

Make it an xpac and hope for a "lost my ability to feel human" meltdown to sweeten the deal.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

bob dobbs is dead posted:

the slavers only put up a fight in real life cuz the union generals before grant were mostly fuckups

Not really unless you consider Northern Virginia to be the entire war, and besides having them be useless pushovers is really boring gameplay-wise.

I'm baffled that people do the gamey yankee soldier play in a game like Vicky. It's not like you're going for an EU cheevo. Similarly I don't understand people who powergame in CK.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

forkboy84 posted:

Because it's really funny crushing the unpleasant Pro slavery state easily

You must have a lot of fun in HoI

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Super Jay Mann posted:

Really I think the best way to model things is to severely limit any sort of mass conscription mechanic for most all countries in the early game, with notable exceptions being the big European powers that were pioneering the concept at the time (so I guess France and Prussia?). Mass conscription can be something a country develops willfully either through tech or political maneuvering or whatnot or can be a consequence of major events, in the US's case the Civil War forcing the hand of both sides.

If done right this would also remove the need to arbitrarily railroad the world into a "Great War" scenario by the turn of the 20th century. Great Wars wouldn't really be possible before that time period even if all the diplomatic conditions are in place because the military tech and ability to employ mass conscription on your people and also move and supply millions of said people wouldn't be a thing. Having professional armies fighting each other in isolated battlefields with decisive victors does not a forever hell war make after all, even if everyone is doing it to each other.

The Union didn't even implement conscription until 1863. I think it'd be cool to have a "call for volunteers" button, at least for certain governments, that would be a sort of soft mobilization. It gives you fewer units but pisses people off less. Or maybe instead of straight giving you units it just massively increases conversion to soldiers and reduces training time or something like that. Another example would be Britain that tried to go into the Great War without a draft.

For that matter I wonder if conscription terms will be a law. On the opposite side you had the confederacy, which due to a combination of low war support and extremely pro-wealthy conscription terms was fighting an ongoing guerilla war the whole time against men who didn't want to fight for it.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Having sailor as a pop type that staffs your navies, but is also needed for certain resource jobs and running your merchant marine, would be v good dlc.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
HoI lets us imply that we're sending kids to the front, V3 better let me make it explicit.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Zedhe Khoja posted:

Can we go full Tsarist Russia and not only have no widowers pension, but just straight up don't pay our life-time service conscripted soldiers and leave them to die in the street once their body is no longer at a useful level of functionality?

That ain't just tsarist Russia, that's SOP for everyone in the first half of the period.

At least with the british you had to volunteer for lifelong thankless toil for the Queen.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Beamed posted:

or you were pressganged into it

That's what I said, volunteer.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Welp guess my first game is going to be Lower Canada

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Zeron posted:

Well I imagine the idea is that holding a country more powerful than yours in your grip is more awe inspiring than holding a OPM with no army. The consequences of a subject having a better military/economy than yours is that they're likely to beat you up/be too troublesome to hold onto and stop being your subject. If you can hold on to them in spite of that, well you deserve the acclaim. It doesn't matter if India has a bigger military/economy than the UK if they aren't stopping either from being used primarily to the benefit of the UK.

Well there is no such thing as India in 1836. There's the British Raj, the princely states, and a few outliers like Punjab. I'd kinda like the Raj and the princely states to work the opposite way. The British Raj's army should be primarily sunk into garrisoning the Raj and its borders and the subcontinent should be a massive security concern for Britain and a key to its supremacy. You shouldn't be able to just send a few million indians to fight France or the US without mortally compromising the Raj. Even in the world wars most of the british indian army was busy garrisoning British India.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I feel like it shouldn’t even have to be a socialist party. Any kind of liberal or nationalist group in power should piss off reactionary powers. Or even supporting one of those groups incidentally. Russia stopped Prussia with a sternly worded letter in 1848, because it was seen to be siding with nationalist rabble.

Russia also stopped Hungary, but with a military intervention.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Torrannor posted:

This is the kind of discussion that inevitably ends with goons claiming that Wiz is a racist, isn't it?

Johan probed me on the Paradox forums in the leadup to V2 because I made fun of how badly Africa was modeled

and I will never get over it

OctaviusBeaver posted:

In the VIP mod for Vicky 1 the serfs were a non accepted culture so they couldn't be promoted to craftsmen or clerks. Once you emancipated them they became an accepted culture.

Krepostnoy!

That mod ruled, even if it was the height of "it's 1882, here's some free land" style determinism.

Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 13:14 on May 29, 2021

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
In the african theatre of the great war, there were a few thousand british, portuguese, and german kia and tens of thousands of "porters" who just so happened to die of extremely natural causes during the campaign, volunteers all of course. They just really loved being subjects of an empire.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

PerniciousKnid posted:

Were black Americans an accepted culture?

Nope. You could get them accepted if you chose radical reconstruction in all the post-civil-war events.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Vicky 1 Ricky > Vicky 2

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Friendly reminder that lol, the actual current habsburg pretender gets in twitter slapfights about monarchism and inbreeding

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Personally I like games that function instead losing a many-hour campaign because Bengal exists

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Wiz posted:

optimal way to run a factroy is to have a single craftsman overseen by a million capitalists.


But doing it this way ruins the extreme fun times of manually splitting every craftsman and clerk pop in China ten million times per game

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
I hope V3 requires things like the british indian army to actually spend the majority of their manpower garrisoning India instead of colonies being endless manpower pools.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
A designer will inherently suck unless it's somehow randomized so the player doesn't automatically know dreadnoughts work and HMS Captain doesn't

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Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
It should be impossible to manually order your military province-to-province, land or sea.

You give them orders and you appoint officers.

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