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PT6A posted:As much as I think it's important to actually find the bodies of these victims, I can't shake the feeling that some people are focusing on the wrong aspect of this. This wasn't a mystery, we knew children were being neglected, abused and killed because survivors told us. The discovery of mass graves that resulted from this is outrageous, and it's a sad reminder of what went on, but it shouldn't be a surprise unless you a) didn't believe the stories or b) imagined that all the bodies of the victims simply vanished into non-existence. This is true. It was heartbreaking to hear about the discovery, but I was not the least bit shocked or surprised. It just confirmed what I already believed from the stories that were told. The people acting like this is some unexpected shocker are really telling on themselves, tbh. They'll hide behind the usual excuses of "Well I don't judge without evidence" and so on, but that's just telling me they thought it was all made up before, or the abuse wasn't as bad as the survivors claimed.
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May 31, 2021 19:09
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Entropic posted:The fact of the bodies isn't or shouldn't be particularly surprising, we know what was going on. But there's a combination of ugly things going on the Canadian pysche when it comes to residential schools: I mean O'Toole was talking about "Hey, they were just trying to teach these kids English and Math and it got out of hand" earlier this year, or late last year or something, wasn't he?
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May 31, 2021 19:23
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Pallister wants retroactive wage rollbacks for nurses for the past four years and the average payback would be $20k. Not that I have any trouble believing this about Pallister, but is there a link to a source for it? I'm not finding anything via Google search or the CBC MB site.
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May 31, 2021 20:04
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MA-Horus posted:What I meant by "just stories" before was that there was nothing tangible. Nothing physical to remind people with. Some people cannot comprehend until they have something to see with their own eyes. One of the reasons the Verdun ossuary is so powerful. I mean, the uh, living breathing human beings who survived the schools to tell those stories are pretty fuckin' tangible.
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May 31, 2021 22:07
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Saalkin posted:People watch the CFL? I was under the impression that whole thing was a money laundering scheme. Every year Winnipeg Blue Bomber and Saskatchewan Roughriders fans engage in a heated display of competitiveness that is ten times more furious than something as low stakes as a CFL game has any right to be.,
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Jun 1, 2021 17:42
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Alctel posted:Ok I give up. Everyone I know is actually secretly intensely racist and online comments are an excellent way to get a representation of how everyone actually thinks Unless the place you live in is made up only of yourself and your own intimate contacts, then a non-insignificant portion of the people who live there statistically hold racist or otherwise regressive views. That's why the comments section in your local news outlets looks like it does, and pretending it's just backwards boomers is denial to the reality that there's a lot of Gen Xers, Millennials and Zoomers who have lovely views in every community of any decent size and demographic diversity. I very much doubt "Everyone you know is secretly intensely racist" and nobody said that, just that putting your head in the sand to certain realities is naïve.
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Jun 2, 2021 19:53
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DariusLikewise posted:Lmao, congrats Manitoba, we can't go for a walk outside with our friends but we were able to create a specific exemption for hockey games Our Province is so deep in the pocket of True North that this isn't even surprising.
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Jun 2, 2021 20:17
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RBC posted:Governing party leaders are for all intents and purposes, all powerful within their party and impossible to remove and to my knowledge, this has never happened in canadian history. Not exactly true. In 2014 the MB NDP caucus attempted to remove Greg Selinger from his seat as premiere because they felt he was tanking the party's position of power (he had to raise PST in order to repair damages and upgrade infrastructure following disastrously unprecedented flooding of the Interlake region in 2011, previous to that all our floodway infrastructure was more focused around lake Winnipeg and the Red River as that's where the flooding typically happened). Led by Theresa Oswald, they had what the media described as mutiny to vote Selinger out and install Oswald as new premiere. It failed, the whole thing was very public and damaging PR-wise and while the NDP's position was slightly shaky due to Selinger's taxation decisions (among other things I don't recall atm), this mutiny almost definitely put the final nail in the coffin for the MB NDPs almost 2 decade run as a majority government, ushering in everybody's favorite son of a bitch Pallister into power in 2016. (EDIT: It has been nearly a decade since most of this went down so my memory is likely spotty on the details, so if I got any of this wrong I don't mind being corrected by more well-informed goons on the subject) Willatron fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Jun 7, 2021 15:17
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DariusLikewise posted:The PST increase is always thrown out as the reason for the NDPs decline in popularity in Manitoba but the party was already declining in popularity due to the PCs baseless attacks on major infrastructure projects like BiPole III and the Keeyask dam and the state of Hydros finances. The PST was kind of a final nail in the coffin type of thing that was generally unpopular because Selinger had promised not to raise the PST during the 2011 campaign only 2 months earlier. The other issue the NDP faced was rot within the party, they were a combination of career back benchers and career climbers that were only interested in popularity so they could stay employed. In general the NDP began to completely fall apart when the economy started slipping and they couldn't effectively get the message out why deficit spending is good and why we needed big infrastructure now. Thanks for the primer! God, it's so lovely how that all played out. The current MB NDP doesn't seem at all like the same party Selinger was leading but they get to carry all the baggage his administration created anyway, plus Wab's history to boot. I don't particularly hold any of it against them but I know a lot of people do.
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Jun 7, 2021 16:59
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Vintersorg posted:If nurses go on strike this week it's gonna shine a spotlight on all the problems he has caused. He's already trying to spin the huge uptick in labour disputes since the PCs took power as a positive, saying that the only reason there were fewer labour disputes under the NDP is "nobody was sticking up for the taxpayer." So there you have it. It's good, actually, that several public labour unions are in disputes with the province or about to strike. It means Pallister is doing a good job.
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Jun 7, 2021 18:02
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The NDP was instead wasting time directing funds to people to rebuild frivolous things like their homes after the 2011 flood. I know this because my parents were the recipients of such aid. And even that got a bunch of flak because of how much it cost. The PCs are so full of poo poo.
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Jun 8, 2021 16:21
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I feel pretty confident in assuming every one of these statues cons cry about getting torn down have gone unacknowledged and ignored by every single last one of them right up until the people those men historically oppressed or murdered decided they'd had enough of seeing them deified at schools, public spaces and government buildings every god drat day.
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Jun 8, 2021 18:54
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gently caress but can those austerity goblins in the MB legislature seem to find millions of dollars laying around for anything BUT teachers or nurses.
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Jun 9, 2021 21:06
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Randalor posted:So apparently Pallister still hasn't actually said what his plans are for reopening Manitoba. How the gently caress are we over a year into the pandemic, and over a month after poo poo had officially hit the fan for Manitoba, and he's still just kinda shrugging and going "I unno. I mean, we have ideas on what to do, but... I unno. Maybe we can open for Canada Day or something?" With cases still over 100 a day and nurses having just gone on strike I feel like announcing a vague, non-committal reopening plan had a lot more to do with happy distraction than actually putting a solid plan out there.
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Jun 10, 2021 20:24
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Randalor posted:Oh poo poo the nurses went on strike? About drat time. I know they're going to get a ton of flak from idiots, but nurses have really been treated like poo poo by Pallister's government ever since he came in and this was a long time coming. I hope they're able to get what they rightly deserve after all this time (as in, proper contracts, higher pay and overall better working conditions, not the other implication of "what they deserve"). 98% of the Union voted in support. Pretty damning indictment of the PCs handling of the situation, but then Pallister thinks increased labour disputes and strikes are a sign he's doing a good job because somebody is "sticking up for the taxpayers." I hope they get all their demands met.
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Jun 10, 2021 20:33
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Holy gently caress I love this so much
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Jun 15, 2021 19:25
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I don't know much about the Federal Greens, admittedly, though have heard about their love of holistic remedies. The local MB green party have been pretty accurately described as Conservatives on Bikes. A lot of support for environmental protection, but also a lot of poo poo like flat tax rates that favour the rich.
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Jun 16, 2021 18:10
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Vintersorg posted:I hope to god you're wrong and I can tell you to gently caress off for doomposting. Agreed, I find that very doomposting, not to mention that charming condescension toward other Manitobans that a lot of Manitobans seem to harbour. I know a lot of people fuckin' pissed at the PCs as a whole, not just Pallister, and it goes far beyond his pandemic response. The PCs are getting a TON of flak for creating multiple labour disputes including a likely nursing strike, trying to open up private family owned farmland up to bidding from agricorps, their attempts to politicize school administration are seeing NO support that they've been able to name when asked directly. Like, this is Filmon government level hate for the PCs, which kept them out of power for nearly two decades last time they were this widely despised. I don't see it just going away, especially since the PCs are likely to keep on their bullshit right up until the next election. They know they're burning their support, they don't care as long as they can get the legislation they want passed before 2023.
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Jun 18, 2021 16:48
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InfiniteZero posted:I would love to be wrong but as a counterargument we live in Manitoba. I'm willing to wait until closer to the actual election to see what the NDP have to offer. It's not a condemnation against them not to have a publicly shared platform or plan already out there for how they're going to fix the damages on a house that's still burning down. You're not wrong exactly, just that the current NDP party is pretty far removed from the NDP party of Greg Selinger that poo poo the bed in the lead up to 2016, so I'm at least going to hold onto some small optimism that people like Uzoma, Nahanni and Wab can present some kind of sound strategy that actually makes people want to vote for them. Like, it strikes me as doomposting because yes, 2 years gives the PC strategists time to try and turn this dismal approval around, but they will instead likely continuing loving up everything they can in the name of "the economy", meanwhile the NDP have 2 years to strategize a platform for 2023 that may demonstrate how they plan to start fixing this poo poo. Considering the governments of Alberta, Ontario and Sask right now, "We Live in Manitoba" isn't an argument for or against anything, because clearly the electorates in other provinces can make lovely choices just as well as we do. Willatron fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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Jun 18, 2021 20:34
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Starks posted:I actually didn't realize the government was still fighting further reparations after Kamloops. Absolutely insane how the PM can say whatever he wants about how sorry he is for genocide while one of his ministers fights reconciliation in court. https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/reparations-residential-school-1.6050501 Ah but according to the Liberals and Cons it wasn't a genocide! Sure, when they describe with happened it accurately describes a genocide perpetrated upon a colonized people in an apartheid state, SURE, it checks every box to line up with the Geneva Convention's definition of a genocide, but so long as they never say the G-Word they never have to admit Canada perpetrated a genocide! Honestly hope the UN and International Courts get their loving claws into this country over this.
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Jun 25, 2021 16:28
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forest spirit posted:Poking someone is very annoying, and we don't want to annoy China, and also we're not angels, so don't rock the boat and let the Chinese continue their forced sterilizations China will continue the forced sterilizations regardless. As will certain Canadian social work agencies and hospitals. I actually don't see the value in condemning China's human rights abuses, which are real and heinous, while Canada continues to enact policies of genocide and digs up the remains to the surprise of nobody indigenous or who's been paying even a bit of attention to this country for the past 150 years. Unless Canada is both planning to actually take up the recommendations put forth by the TRC and abide by UNDRIP, they can shut the gently caress up about it as far as my Metis rear end is concerned.
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Jun 30, 2021 19:09
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forest spirit posted:Well I mean China is pedal-to-the-metal genociding while we're easing off of the gas. I think it's fair to criticize a global superpower while dealing with our own insane issues. As far as my Inuit rear end is concerned Agree to disagree then, I don't think Canada has a moral leg to stand on anymore than the US in this regard. "Easing off the gas pedal" is a pretty generous interpretation of how things currently stand between Indigenous peoples and the Canadian government, imo, the genocide has just been more effectively hidden behind hospital sterilizations, lack of livable conditions on Northern reserves and CFS. Plus I don't see what criticizing China is going to do for the Muslim minority they're trying to wipe out, especially not with Canada's dirty laundry currently making international headlines. China isn't going to give a gently caress with such an easily deflected criticism by simply pointing back and saying "No u" because we're talking about a bunch of imperialist assholes here.
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Jun 30, 2021 19:31
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Madkal posted:This feels like whataboutism mixed with a tankyism. Then it's just as valid for China to call out Canada out on it's lovely practices. In the end it's just an imperialist state calling out a colonial one and vice versa, using human rights issues as political fodder in one upping each other. It's completely meaningless and doesn't help either the Uighurs or Indigenous peoples of North America.
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Jun 30, 2021 20:30
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Madkal posted:Let me know when China has a TRC. At least Canada is acknowledging is screwed up racist history and as stated China is acting in the most cynical way possible and people are willing to accept it. True true. China has not published a comprehensive internal report of their own misdeeds, and then gone on to deny it was a genocide and proceed to do virtually nothing about any of it.
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Jun 30, 2021 20:59
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fancy stats posted:That's hardly fair, they are actively fighting against reparations in some cases. Wow, that's heinous. What kind of government would do such a thing? https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/ottawa-st-anne-residential-school-court-costs-1.5809846 EDIT: Leaving the link for posterity, but I misread your message initially as defending the Cdn government, my b
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Jun 30, 2021 21:26
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Orthanc6 posted:Every country has substantial economic relations with China, which is currently genociding their Uighur citizens. Literally everyone on Earth is a hypocrite for something that is important to them, we can't let that stop us from calling out bad things cause it would literally stop us from calling out anything, ever. Call out atrocities when you see them, admit your own when they are called out. That's all that can be done if we want to fix anything at all. I condemn what China is doing. I'm sure you do too. That doesn't change the fact that when self-serving governments do it, often in direct contradiction to their own problematic policies such as in this case, it's really important to call THAT out for what it is. Indigenous people, Uighurs, whomever, are not just poker chips to be used as leverage in geopolitical poker games. I resent that notion and I'll certainly call it out when I see it happening.
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Jun 30, 2021 22:31
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Did she call it a genocide? Honest question, because Liberals were still refusing to do that last I checked.
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Jul 1, 2021 02:48
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Stephen Harper is living an easy life as the head of a "consulting firm" probably making stacks and staying out of the limelight, why the gently caress would he go back to politics?
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Jul 5, 2021 22:37
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bub spank posted:Pretty sure they'd still have a stranglehold on the prairies and rural BC. Might lose some seats in Regina, Edmonton, and Saskatoon, but likely won't. I don't know what's up with Saskatchewan in the past 10-15 years, but the NDP brand no longer seems electable here, either provincially and federally. You can run a dead dog in southern rural MB and it would still beat out any other party so long as it was the blue candidate. Some because they still oppose gay marriage, others because they just don't give a poo poo either way.
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Jul 6, 2021 17:20
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Furnaceface posted:Has anyone ever written a book on how SK/MB went from being the birth place of the NDP to being staunch Conservative hellholes? Northern Ontario kind of fits into this lately too. I don't know when the NDP lost any semblance of a chance of winning southern rural areas in MB, but they still retain their traditional strongholds in Winnipeg's inner city and North End neighborhoods for the most part, and the rural Northern ridings are all orange too.
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Jul 6, 2021 18:27
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Arcsquad12 posted:David Chartrand from the MMF is calling Pallister on a lot of poo poo right now. Where can I read about this? David Chartrand is kind of a dumbass leader of our people who tends to lick boots to whichever federal party is in power, so it's interesting when he actually stands up and acts like some kind of leader (which does occasionally happen)
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Jul 6, 2021 20:10
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Arcsquad12 posted:Oh he was in total rear end licking mode today talking about how amazing Trudeau has been for the Metis, but he was also screaming bloody murder at Pallister. You know what, gently caress it. This is a great step forward, we finally achieved recognized self-governance and while I wouldn't have voted for him Chartrand is the elected leader of a recognized Metis Nation of Manitoba. If he got it through bootlicking to the feds, so be it, maybe they wouldn't have conceded this to us if they didn't have a puppet like him at the helm, but now I can register as a citizen of the Metis Nation and maybe actually feel like it's worth voting for someone else. I'll give him props for securing this for us.
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Jul 6, 2021 21:24
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"Violent protests aren't effective" says the man in charge of the Province that famously hosted the General Strike of 1919 which involved street battles with police and military personnel, property damage and ushered in new labour legislation as a result. For gently caress's sake, an overturned streetcar is now a monument itself to a very effective violent protest.
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Jul 7, 2021 17:58
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Yeah I read it as the MB PCs set plans with arbitrary goals and measures and anything that deviates from the plan, even when it's a positive like people vaccinating faster than expected, is to be ignored. It's rare that PC bullheaded policy results in something good, but I still see it for what it is.
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Jul 9, 2021 21:43
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bunnyofdoom posted:https://twitter.com/ctvottawa/status/1414636956668112896?s=19 lol I hope that PI wrote up a list of bullshit expense claims a mile long.
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Jul 12, 2021 19:57
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Muscle Tracer posted:"If you're young and conservative, you have no heart: if you're old and liberal, you have no brain!" was conventional wisdom in my household growing up. Yeah but this saying was coined by people whose fortunes and quality of life generally improved as they got older. It makes zero sense to anybody born after 1975 or so.
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Jul 15, 2021 20:50
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Starks posted:At least in Toronto, these encampments aren't really in poor neighbourhoods. They're mostly in gentrifying or recently gentrified downtown areas where housing is unaffordable but that still have the infrastructure in place to support the unhoused and addicted: shelters, needle exchange, soup kitchens, detox centres, etc. There are no tents in Jane and Finch or Galloway; that's exactly why there's so much urgency and outrage over them. Even in Moss Park, which is still low income on paper, homes are selling for 1M+. The developers and property owners know that taking out the encampments won't get rid of the unhoused, the ultimate goal is to get those services and amenities shut down or moved to lower property value areas. Which, ironically, is why those amenities were put in these neighbourhoods when they were first built. It's all part of a cycle that increases income inequality and reduces social services for the vulnerable. You can see this happening in real time in Winnipeg's downtown core today. Multi million dollar high rise condo developments going up alongside upscale bars and dining establishments while the homeless camp out in bus shacks along the street, despite decades of affordable housing advocates presenting dozens of solutions to revive the downtown area for the people who actually live here that wouldn't involve selling chunks of our core out to Toronto based developers to create islands of gentrified living and amenities geared toward suburban hockey fans amidst a sea of poverty and homelessness. It's pathetic how badly this city fails it's most vulnerable citizens to cater to the wealthy and police.
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Jul 22, 2021 20:37
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The outdoor cat ban thing is applicable to suburban or urban communities, but in rural municipalities it's not as black and white. My parents live in a rural area and literally cannot go without a good outdoor mouser cat. The one year they didn't have a cat (in between one dying of old age and finding a new one) they had a mouse infestation in their crawl space under the house. The alternative is using expensive and potentially dangerous traps and poisons, which is silly when one good outdoor cat will keep their house rodent free. Yes outdoor cats kill a lot of small animals in their bloodlust, but keep in mind in some places there are a LOT of small animals that become a problem themselves if they aren't kept in check. Plus cats are territorial, so it isn't like their cat is going around town killing every animal in sight, she's protecting and hunting in a territory that probably doesn't extend past their property line by much if at all.
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Aug 1, 2021 18:21
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Sashimi posted:lmao if people rightly call the conservative premiers on their murderous policies and it gives Truedau a majority In Manitoba at least there's a LOT of hate for Pallister. Not just for how the PCs have handled the pandemic though that is a very very big part of it. I don't see this easing up of restrictions just as we were getting a handle on things again is going to go over any better for his administration than the last time he did the exact same thing. We're a lot more vaccinated now, but that doesn't mean there aren't enough unvaccinated people to clog up our hospitals and pump up the death count by a significant degree yet again.
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Aug 3, 2021 18:42
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My MLA posted that a lot of downtown Winnipeg businesses are deciding to keep their mask mandates in place, so at least not everybody has lost their goddamn minds over the simplest and easiest way to slow spread of Delta.
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Aug 4, 2021 15:47
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