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Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
American imperialists coming into our thread and forcing Andrew Scheer on us again. Don't you know that hard butter is the dairy issue of the day? Who cares about milk!

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Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
Yes why do we spend so much time on the bad opinions of one thread poster when the bad opinions of every premier/elected government are way worse and actually impact our lives

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012

InfiniteZero posted:

If by "blue collar" you mean racist rednecks then yes, you are correct in your summary of why the CFL is so popular in places like Winnipeg and Saskatchewan. My experience has always been that CFL fans are the people who find the NHL far too diverse and "woke".

Everyone I know who goes regularly to CFL games is from working class families in Elmwood, Transcona etc. Everyone I know who goes regularly to NHL games is from upper middle class families in the suburbs. I know lots of people who like the CFL who have great politics, and lots of people who like the NHL who also have great politics, but the difference in in-person attendance seems to be income.

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
It seems like Ontario is going to vaccinate close to 2 million people this week, and cases are the lowest they've been since last summer

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
Any idea what the timeline is for the 5 to 12 group? Would be good to get them vaccinated before school starts

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012

Madkal posted:

Let me know when China has a TRC. At least Canada is acknowledging is screwed up racist history and as stated China is acting in the most cynical way possible and people are willing to accept it.

Canada is selling weapons to Saudi Arabia. How can you possibly see any statement the Canadian government makes about any countries human rights record as anything other than cynically self serving. How are you willing to accept it.

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012

Madkal posted:

I'm willing to accept that bad things can be bad things despite where they are committed. Saying you can't condemn one bad thing because of another bad thing is just reductive.

I don't think anyone is saying you can't condemn the bad thing. Are you a representative of the Canadian government? That's what this conversation is about unless I'm mistaken.

The issue is that governments use these sorts of statements and supporting media blitz to build support to push their economic or political agenda, which often has very bad humanitarian consequences, sometimes even worse than the issue used as propaganda support.

Questioning governments foreign policy statements and pointing out issues like this is important. Western governments are clearly creating certain countries as a new Axis of Evil, and they will use real causes to justify trade wars, economic sanctions and even regular wars that have humanitarian consequences themselves.

Condemn the genocide, but also condemn western governments response to it as self serving propaganda

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
People keep saying 'we' and 'you'. I'm talking about the governments international relations, not some broad public zeitgeist or whatever. The Canadian government isn't calling out china for altruistic reasons. They are calling them out to further their international economic and political programs. Those programs are imperialist, capitalist etc etc. The Canadian governments foreign policy motivations are bad things and they result in bad things.

E. The American state department used feminism to build support for the war in Afghanistan. Do feminists therefore have to support that war, or can we rightly see that as self serving

Duck Rodgers fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jun 30, 2021

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012

Muscle Tracer posted:

Does the fact that some countries are cynical or hypocrtical in calling out the Uyghur genocide make that genocide any less real or reprehensible?

e: lol i thought this was the China thread, that at least makes a little more sense. But I don't think the alternative here, wherein Canada says "well WE did genocide so it's only fair China gets to as well," is particularly attractive.

The Canadian government is not calling out China because of concern for Uyghurs, or even because of your hypothetical fairness in genocide. They are calling out China because it aligns with the governments current economic and political goals. Those political and economic goals also include support for mining companies that commit humanitarian attrocities all over the world, selling weapons to Saudi Arabia, support for Israel etc etc. The Canadian government isn't a force for good in the world.

Also it's weird that people keep using a broad brush 'we' 'you' 'Canada' etc. That's nationalism.

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012

Muscle Tracer posted:

how else do you think the Canadian government should refer to the actions of a large number of Canadian government employees? you would prefer "they"?

I mean the people in this thread, who seem to be associating themselves with the Canadian state, as if the Canadian government is confronting China on their behalf. It is possible to condemn what China is doing, while also condemning the Canadian imperialist state apparatus that is trying to use the ongoing crisis in order to advance it's imperialist program

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012

Arcsquad12 posted:

Has Chartrand denounced the new cabinet minister yet?

I haven't seen anything yet. The MMF is normally pretty quick with statements sent to all citizens so we'll see if there's anything today.

Red river echoes is a Metis group with a more radical perspective and critical of Chartrand. Give them a follow if you do that sort of thing

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
Somebody posted a tweet by Dimitri Lascaris yesterday and I saw he and some others are starting an ecosocialist action group of some sort. Might be most relevant if the Greens do turf their leader. I imagine they will get involved in the NDP as well though. I know that Radhika Desai knows a number of Manitoba NDP people. Looks like accepting members in August

https://greenleft.ca/en/home/

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012

PT6A posted:

It's entirely ridiculous to compare Doug Ford, who speaks exactly one language, to Mary Simon, who speaks two languages, one of which is a language spoken in the territory now known as Canada well before some pale fuckin' settlers decided to step foot anywhere near it; a language which has endured, despite attempts to commit cultural genocide by those same settlers.

This is not an English/French issue. This is about the persistent devaluing of the First Nations and their cultures and languages, right now being done primarily by one specific language group in Canada.

...what?

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
I believe the CFL introduced a rule that if your team has an outbreak and less than 85 percent of the players are vaccinated you forfeit the game and don't get paid that week. A fine basically

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
I think most people won't start paying attention until after the labour day weekend. Polls and lack of candidates mean nothing until then

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
I wonder if they saw the back lash to provincial premiers handling of the third wave and cynically bet that the premiers would handle the fourth wave just as badly, and that would give the liberals a boost. People hated Ford at the peak of the 3rd wave. He's been hiding but will need to come out at some point. Unless he pulls a Kenney and hides forever. But people don't like that either. If things go bad the liberals will say "do you want a conservative federal government on top of the conservative provincial governments you have?"

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
It's interesting to me that licensed weddings need to respect the vaccine mandate in Manitoba, but there seems to be an exemption for dry weddings. I wonder why that could be...

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012

Powershift posted:

It absolutely is.

70some perecent of people want all the good poo poo. Gun control, vaccine mandates, equal rights, rent controls.

We let career politicians tell us it isn't possible

Absolutely. There would still be party politics, but parties would actually have to become mass movements with widespread engagement because you never know who's going to be selected so you have to get as many on board as possible. Instead of blast emails asking for money and no other engagement

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012

ChickenDoodle posted:

Also: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-floods-update-dec-15-1.6287474

Coq is gonna reopen to commercial traffic only but I can’t wait until people try to drive up to Kelowna on it anyway, and the government won’t do anything to stop it because they love shrugging their shoulders and going “oh well we can only ask nicely”.

Just like their response to every single wave of Covid, which has been “gently caress around and find out”.

Don't you mean that their response has been to fiddle while Rome burns?

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
I think in general this strain is just not as good at infecting the lungs. Really good at infecting the throat though.

Ontario is saying Omicron is 50% less likely to result in hospitalization or death than Delta. But its infecting so many people that the hospitals could still be overwhelmed.

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
Has there been any sort of policy change or support announced for people who need to go to work, have symptoms but can't get tested? It's easy to say people should just assume they have it and isolate, but how many people can just miss out on close to 2 weeks of pay? How many people could get fired for missing work without a positive test?

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
An expat is a white person from a rich country going to live in a developing country. An immigrant is a racialized person from a developing country going to live in a rich country. At least that's how they're generally used in my experience.

Ex pats generally don't have to worry about their official status or try to fit in at all. They can live in a country for decades without trying to get citizenship, not learning the language etc etc and still expecting to be catered to

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012

Fried Watermelon posted:

A person who dies from a heart attack because covid destroyed their lungs a few weeks ago will no longer be a covid death

Would this have been a covid death before?

Surely it should be but it must take longer to determine, is that why they update after the fact sometimes?

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
There's a bunch of them parked on the sir John a parkway out front of the war museum, I assume sleeping in their trucks and RVs. It's annoying cause I live close and hear them constantly laying on the horn. But also there's not really anything disruptive about that spot. That road is normally closed weekends anyway

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
I grew up in Manitoba and live in Ottawa now and was shocked that no one plugs in their car in Ontario. Ontario friends mostly didn't even know what a block heater was

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
I don't understand why you don't just take apart the illegally constructed shed instead of delivering it to their base camp

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
Ontario and Quebec are both pursuing energy storage. Ontario is doing bids for private projects and Quebec hydro started their own company. But it will probably be awhile before that has an impact on peak/off peak prices. Most projects now are more about emergency backup and system stability

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
Suncor with a combination tailings pond / nuclear waste containment pool sounds like a nightmare scenario

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
Who will run for NDP leadership? For the Liberals?

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
What about the timing of a Fourth dose after a covid infection? I'm seeing to wait 3 months. Is that real?

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012

Charles Bukowski posted:

Also the man was in prison for nearly 2 years, how did they not have his fingerprints already?

Sounds like the cops thought the funeral was an elaborate hoax. Wiebo is hanging out somewhere with Elvis and Tupac

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
Wonder what Jagmeet will do if Trudeau does legislate them back to work

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012

Willatron posted:

Is good music an option?

I'm laughing. Haha haha ha ha

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Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
My favorite part of the election coverage was how much the liberal panelist and liberal leader complained about strategic voting. And then the panelist complained that the NDP won't implement voter reform. Hahaha get hosed

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