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i love art forgery! feel free to post about art crime and the art market more generally, or other victimless scams. to start us off: in 2011, it was revealed that knoedler gallery had had $80m of fakes pass through it – i can recommend the recent netflix documentary about it (Made You Look: The True Story About Fake Art) if you want to watch a bunch of insanely out of touch people feud with one another. for example, domenico and eleanore de sole:  they bought a fake rothko for $8.3m, then sued knoedler (which was owned by armie hammer's dad) when it was revealed.  the hero of the piece is pei-shen quian, a maths teacher in his 70s. he painted the abstract impressionist fakes in his garage over 20+ years:  he got indicted when poo poo went down, but flew to china to avoid prosecution 👑
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exmarx posted:the hero of the piece is pei-shen quian, a maths teacher in his 70s. he painted the abstract impressionist fakes in his garage over 20+ years: 
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May 30, 2021 11:18
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exmarx posted:
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May 30, 2021 11:24
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May 30, 2021 11:56
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Jose posted:what a king Remember everyone it's only a crime if you defraud/con rich people!
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May 30, 2021 12:52
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The documentary was great and I suggest watching it
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May 30, 2021 13:14
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LegoMan posted:The documentary was great and I suggest watching it https://www.netflix.com/browse?jbv=81406333
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May 30, 2021 13:16
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exmarx posted:they bought a fake rothko for $8.3m, then sued knoedler (which was owned by armie hammer's dad) when it was revealed. yup, thats an 8 million dollar painting right there  barren landscape, no stars... is this the end of humanity? well done rothko
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May 30, 2021 13:49
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Similarly, wine forgery is also about selling rich dolts pretty bottles full of skunk juice. Sour Grapes is a great documentary about a guy who turned his house into a combination print shop/wine lab and ripped off a bunch of people (including a Koch brother) who fool themselves into thinking that the fake wine is the best thing they've ever tasted. Sadly the forger, Rudy Kurniawan, was arrested and went to jail for wire fraud, but has since been released and is reportedly living a quiet life in Indonesia.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Similarly, wine forgery is also about selling rich dolts pretty bottles full of skunk juice. Sour Grapes is a great documentary about a guy who turned his house into a combination print shop/wine lab and ripped off a bunch of people (including a Koch brother) who fool themselves into thinking that the fake wine is the best thing they've ever tasted. The "American Greed" episode on Kurniawan is one of the better ones as well.
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May 30, 2021 15:26
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Why spend millions on a famous painting when you can do a quick search online to see it for free?
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May 30, 2021 15:32
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friend who worked at an art gallery told me early on that art was just a massive money laundering scheme. bitcoin got nothing on Art.
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May 30, 2021 15:36
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Dreylad posted:friend who worked at an art gallery told me early on that art was just a massive money laundering scheme. bitcoin got nothing on Art. This is one of the reasons why forgery is good. Forgery strikes back against the commodification of art.
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May 30, 2021 15:47
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Zeroisanumber posted:Sadly the forger, Rudy Kurniawan, was arrested and went to jail for wire fraud, but has since been released and is reportedly living a quiet life in Indonesia. Living his best life
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May 30, 2021 17:48
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super sweet best pal posted:Why spend millions on a famous painting when you can do a quick search online to see it for free? this is apparently a problem for a lot of people that go to look at the mona lisa. they have to stand in a crowded place and squint at an overhyped picture they've seen a thousand times already at better quality so it just makes them depressed.
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May 30, 2021 18:15
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loving amazing how america has BUYER BEWARE as one of its founding pillars but a painting that isn't done by the guy you thought it was is a loving felony
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May 30, 2021 18:27
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exmarx posted:i love art forgery! feel free to post about art crime and the art market more generally, or other victimless scams. loving hero.
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May 30, 2021 18:33
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Hand Knit posted:This is one of the reasons why forgery is good. Forgery strikes back against the commodification of art.
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Hand Knit posted:This is one of the reasons why forgery is good. Forgery strikes back against the commodification of art. ars gratia artis 
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May 30, 2021 18:50
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Who was the guy that scammed MBS for $20 million with a fake painting or sumthin? I’d buy him a beer
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May 30, 2021 18:52
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There are probably a lot of rad works of art that are better to see in person. The Mona Lisa is a victim of its own success and smallness of course. It should be illegal for rich people to own art.
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May 30, 2021 18:56
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porfiria posted:There are probably a lot of rad works of art that are better to see in person. The Mona Lisa is a victim of its own success and smallness of course. art museums are cool but the last thing on my mind when i look at stuff is "i hope this isn't just a completely identical copy of what i think im looking at"
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May 30, 2021 19:11
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https://heavy.com/news/pei-shen-qian-update/quote:Qian was indicted, but moved back to China where he remains today and escaped prosecution. In 2014, he was indicted on charges of wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and lying to the FBI, according to his indictment. He was 75 at the time of his indictment. He could face up to 45 years in prison if he was convicted of the charges. Now in his early 80s, he continues to paint in a small studio outside Shanghai, but no longer sells his art, his wife told documentary filmmakers. quote:In China, Qian was a successful and classically trained artist and a professor. In the United States, he tried to make ends meet painting on Manhattan street corners and through construction work. He thoroughly studied the works of famous artists in art class and beyond. His friend, Hongtu Zhang, told filmmakers on “Made You Look” that replicating famous works of art is a common practice in Chinese art. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzGkg3PreQ8
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May 30, 2021 19:11
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45 years for Fake Art lmao good on him getting away with it
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May 30, 2021 19:13
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Tiler Kiwi posted:45 years for Fake Art lmao I'm sure DND types would argue he should have stayed in the US as the right thing to do...
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May 30, 2021 19:21
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Great thread voted 5
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May 30, 2021 19:42
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Dreylad posted:friend who worked at an art gallery told me early on that art was just a massive money laundering scheme. bitcoin got nothing on Art. art in private hands generally just sits in untaxed storage units in ports waiting to be sold again. it’s pokemon cards for millionaires
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May 30, 2021 19:45
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The virgin Art Experts "Know it All"" vs the Chad pei-shen quian
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May 30, 2021 19:46
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Tiler Kiwi posted:art museums are cool but the last thing on my mind when i look at stuff is "i hope this isn't just a completely identical copy of what i think im looking at" Your eyes are just copying it to your brain if you think about it but I think that other person meant some stuff that is bigger than a screen can be different in person.
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May 30, 2021 19:48
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Also the know it all art experts overlooked for how one of the fakes the artist name was not spelled correctly
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May 30, 2021 19:49
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Mr. Sharps posted:art in private hands generally just sits in untaxed storage units in ports waiting to be sold again. it’s pokemon cards for millionaires Imagine if one of them got quietly raided and it wasn't discovered until the "art" had changed hands a couple times and someone actually wanted to display it only to find it missing.
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May 30, 2021 19:53
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All art should be on public display so scamming rich people owns even more than normal
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May 30, 2021 19:56
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I once made a poster for a friend in the style of a fairly famous graphic designer and years later when I went to look for that designers work my poster was up on blogs as an example lol
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May 30, 2021 19:58
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The wine story made think of the hilarious study how full time sommeliers couldn't tell the difference ultra expensive and budget brand wines in a blind taste test.
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May 30, 2021 20:29
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The tax-avoidance scam goes like this: buy art for $$. Some time later, put it up for auction and then blind bid it up to $$$$$. Donate the new purchase to a gallery or museum and claim a tax deduction As a spinoff, your painting selling for $$$$$ will also cause works in the same style or by the same artist to rise in value considerably, so plan ahead accordingly
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May 30, 2021 20:36
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etalian posted:The wine story made think of the hilarious study how full time sommeliers couldn't tell the difference ultra expensive and budget brand wines in a blind taste test. Yeah the fulsome blurbs they gave to boxed wine when told it was a recently discovered vintage was just full of lols
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May 30, 2021 20:37
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exmachina posted:Yeah the fulsome blurbs they gave to boxed wine when told it was a recently discovered vintage was just full of lols one of the good bits on penn and teller's bullshit show was just pointing out how the entire wine gourmet or whatever thing is just a big loving circlejerk for the well off to justify their drug use
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May 30, 2021 20:41
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I agree op. Gonna watch that doc
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exmachina posted:Yeah the fulsome blurbs they gave to boxed wine when told it was a recently discovered vintage was just full of lols https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-tasting-junk-science-analysis quote:Every year Robert Hodgson selects the finest wines from his small California winery and puts them into competitions around the state.
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