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von Braun posted:a cool place can you link? these??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViHZ_OdCDBg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ64D9nESD0
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Tiler Kiwi posted:this is apparently a problem for a lot of people that go to look at the mona lisa. they have to stand in a crowded place and squint at an overhyped picture they've seen a thousand times already at better quality so it just makes them depressed. lol. its also literally called "Paris Syndrome" which owns. a bunch of chinese and japanese tourists have some built up romantic image of paris via media consumption and literature. and then they go there irl and its a piss-covered shithole of trash, everyone is rude to them, and the mona lisa is tiny. and suffer a breakdown. Xaris has issued a correction as of 11:14 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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paris is a beautiful city too, but drat. it's still a city
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crepeface posted:can you link? these??? the 2nd trailer was the movie I saw but don't remember where
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exmarx posted:
This was a top notch documentary especially all the hilarious key points how it was driven by robber baron capitalism/ 1. Art as "traded" commodity correlated to the rise of the FIRE (Finance and Real Estate) sector de-regulation the late 80s 2. One of the experts got sued due to his ruling as the art being a fake 3. Bronze sculptors from the Roman/Hellenistic era are very rare making them a natural target for forgery 4. The nature of the game means auction houses tend to overlook any red flags just to make $$$ (That' Capitalism) -All the forgery had the same condition never a complete statue - Lack of any sort of history or certification, they magically showed up one day a the auction house -The really bad ones stick out like a sore thumb due to big stylistic difference vs authentic pieces (One was dead give-away due to having a big penis) -For the case study deciding whether Augustus bust was fake or not modern evaluation techniques such as CT Scanning was used 5. The good condition of the forgery when contrasted to authentic works which tend to have more wear, tear and damage due to thousands of years of being handled / shipped all over creation The Augustus bust ended up ruled as fake since the bronze patina layer was way to thin for something a thousands of year old especially on the interior of the statue. So the forger as part of the process used the trick on the outside to make it look aged but didn't do anything to the non-visible interior. etalian has issued a correction as of 13:24 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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von Braun posted:the 2nd trailer was the movie I saw but don't remember where https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_nKkiVk8o8 i watched it and it was nice.
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it is too bad that it makes understanding the past more difficult due to people inserting anachronistic features into their knockoffs. and gently caress up actual artifacts to create them sometimes. but the bigger fault is with the process where the only way to find value in artifacts is to turn them into speculation engines and tax writeoffs. and id guess for a lot of people this concern is overly sentimental.
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If you like art and shitposting, you'll probably like the movie In Bruges
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net work error posted:Rich people getting scammed is one of my favorite genres of documentary and both the movies mentioned are good. then you'll probs enjoy the story of Anna Delvey quote:Watching the Rikers guard shove Fast Company into a manila envelope, I realized what Anna had in common with the people she’d been studying in the pages of that magazine: She saw something others didn’t. Anna looked at the soul of New York and recognized that if you distract people with shiny objects, with large wads of cash, with the indicia of wealth, if you show them the money, they will be virtually unable to see anything else. And the thing was: It was so easy.
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baw posted:the geneva freeport already exists and it holds around $100 billion in art Is that the place from Tenet
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i could have bought a signed copy of one of my sibling's pieces for a twenty spot, but i just found someone they sold one to online and had them scan it for me instead they're not some big name hotshot, just a starving nobody in college for an engineering degree, but hey, that's the price of a lunch i saved for myself, you know? feelin' preeeeetty good
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baw posted:the geneva freeport already exists and it holds around $100 billion in art im sure the artists would be glad to know their art is safe
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Make sure you "roman statue" doesn't have a big dick is one of the basic fundamentals of forgery detection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UsQqVM2CFU
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Having done fine arts at Uni, Tom Keating is easily my favorite forger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Keating "wikipedia' posted:Keating perceived the gallery system to be rotten dominated, he said, by American "avant-garde fashion, with critics and dealers often conniving to line their own pockets at the expense both of nave collectors and [of] impoverished artists". Keating retaliated by creating forgeries to fool the experts, hoping to destabilize the system. Keating considered himself a socialist and used that mentality to rationalize his actions. Best of all, he had a TV series, Tom Keating on Painters, where he'd paint in the style of an artist while chatting about them. Here he is on Manet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FWIAobxaEw I heartily recommend the entire series. As for wine, there are two types: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSMs77v2oNk
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Gonna accuse every kindergarten student of forgery of Cy Twombly. His art is objectively poo poo. https://gagosian.com/artists/cy-twombly/ I did get to see Starry Night in person and what you don't see in prints is the texture. There's so much loving paint on the canvas, it's just wild how much cooler it makes the whole piece look.  I've been learning to paint for the past few years and it's super fun to learn techniques and try to forge art. I'm super bad at it still, but it's nice when you can put real canvases on the wall instead of prints and know you have something somewhat original. gently caress all the rich fuckers that buy up art and stick it in warehouses that no one will ever see ever again. Imagine how much beautiful art you'll never see in your lifetime because someone decided "gently caress you it's mine go away". If we ever get to a mad max situation in the future, the first thing I'm doing is liberating all the art for the masses.
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space chandeliers posted:Based forgery scene underrated movie this
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poemdexter posted:Gonna accuse every kindergarten student of forgery of Cy Twombly. His art is objectively poo poo. https://gagosian.com/artists/cy-twombly/ twombly's work is great, the twombly gallery in houston is one of my favorite art museums in the world (with a building designed by renzo piano.) seeing his work next to people helps capture the scale    he was a cryptologist in ww2 and he puts a lot of random numbers and cryptic phrases in various languages into his work. so, as is usually the case when someone says "my kid could do that!" it's false all that being said, his ceiling in the louvre is garbo
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Smythe posted:art forgery is good
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good posters copy, great posters steal
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Elissimpark posted:Having done fine arts at Uni, Tom Keating is easily my favorite forger: he's my fave too, if you overlook the grooming stuff. the tv series is great.
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baw posted:twombly's work is great, the twombly gallery in houston is one of my favorite art museums in the world (with a building designed by renzo piano.) seeing his work next to people helps capture the scale Ive only seen his pieces while in New York and they all looked like they were done on khaki color construction paper and crayons. I didnt know he did huge pieces. I was in Houston this past weekend I didnt even know it was there!!!
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modern art sucks poo poo ripping of the rich rules
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Alhazred posted:I'd rather not praise a racist and antisemitt. Is he? That's unfortunate
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poemdexter posted:Ive only seen his pieces while in New York and they all looked like they were done on khaki color construction paper and crayons. I didnt know he did huge pieces. I was in Houston this past weekend I didnt even know it was there!!! houston is a cursed place but the art district there is world-class. the menil collection, twombly gallery, and rothko chapel are great both for their architecture and their collections. it's all free of charge and located in the middle of a residential neighborhood. there used to be a genuine byzantine fresco in one of the buildings but it was given back to cyprus some years ago as much as it disgusts me to say it, one of my favorite places i've ever been to is located in houston
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The Protagonist posted:modern art sucks poo poo I think it's good and interesting
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copying art in the name of destroying intellectual property is good and that's why ice ice baby is a marxist song
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If video games are art (FF7) then pirating video games is another type of art forgery?
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intellectual property, much like all property is theft art forgery is good
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Briefly dated a chick who was a professional sommelier, she really did have keen olfactory senses. Told me the big you learn in the whole process is how to elaborate on what you're sensing. It's not like people going through the rigors of wine tasting are enhancing their senses since there's no such thing. That isn't to say that them being able to determine quality is real (it's not, as we've seen already) but they tend to have a more exact vocabulary for what they're experiencing even if it contradicts industry expectations.
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Albrecht Drer didn't give a poo poo about people copying his work as long as they didn't also copy his monogram he made for himself, as a sort of logo gotta build the brand
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triplepost! The attribution of the Salvator Mundi is a fun story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvator_Mundi_(Leonardo)#Attribution This is the one that MBS bought for nearly half a billion dollars. Since these are just vehicles for money laundering the value of a piece on the market is the most important thing to these pieces of poo poo so there's an insane amount of pressure to have the official zeitgeist around it be "yes, Leonardo painted this with his own holy hands" when there's plenty of evidence that he didn't. Or maybe he painted part of it and someone from his studio painted other parts? Happened all the time! The  eyes are great and one of those details that always springs forward once you notice them.
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Hand Knit posted:Is he? That's unfortunate He wrote a bunch of articles about how the proponents of modern art were a bunch of "woman-hating negro-lovers" and that the art market were controlled by the jews.
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to be clear, this thread is pro-entartete kunst. tho it is kind of funny imagining a bunch of germans going to an exhibition just to get mad about it.
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Fortaleza posted:Briefly dated a chick who was a professional sommelier, she really did have keen olfactory senses. Told me the big you learn in the whole process is how to elaborate on what you're sensing. It's not like people going through the rigors of wine tasting are enhancing their senses since there's no such thing. i know a cicerone (beer sommelier) and a few other people who passed the written test, but couldn't do the taste test. being legally blind maybe helped his sense of taste??? he tends to wank on a bit but he definitely knows his stuff. the good thing about beer is that it's so volatile and basically impossible to store well (outside of the varieties that are closer to wine), it's difficult to hoard/be too pretentious about (some people try real fuckin hard tho) poemdexter posted:Gonna accuse every kindergarten student of forgery of Cy Twombly. His art is objectively poo poo. https://gagosian.com/artists/cy-twombly/ Wheat Field with Cypresses (National Gallery version) is my fav, but seeing it on a computer monitor it's like... that looks like a place mat at a fast food restaurant. eat a burger over it and put it in the bin when you're done. 
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