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exmarx posted:to be clear, this thread is pro-entartete kunst. tho it is kind of funny imagining a bunch of germans going to an exhibition just to get mad about it. Also keep in mind that the Degenerate Art show was much, much more popular than the Official Hygienic German Art show that was on at the same time.
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Van Meegeren is known as the painter who fooled Hermann Goring so it's easy to overlook that he didn't really disagree with the nazis.
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You have to learn to separate the art from the forger.
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Fortaleza posted:Briefly dated a chick who was a professional sommelier, she really did have keen olfactory senses. Told me the big you learn in the whole process is how to elaborate on what you're sensing. It's not like people going through the rigors of wine tasting are enhancing their senses since there's no such thing. Yeah theres a bunch of neat research on how people come up with reasons for what they do that suggests experts arent necessarily better at perceiving, just giving theoretical reasons for their preferences. Alhazred posted:He wrote a bunch of articles about how the proponents of modern art were a bunch of "woman-hating negro-lovers" and that the art market were controlled by the jews. drat that sucks.
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Art Forgery is good but I prefer Art Blakey
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Finished watching Made You Look: The True Story About Fake Art and it was top notch. My take is that the gallery was definitely in on the scam given how they overlooked everything from the whole volume of "new" paintings showing and how assessment with experts leaned towards the paints being fakes. The amount of red flags was pretty awe inspiring: -No real certification or history -The history of paintings was constantly changing -The main lead on the paintings Glafir Rosales had a history of associating with spanish conman who did similar scams -Assessments that raised Red flag concerns about both the style and incorrect material used were discarded -The shear volume of "new" american modern art suddenly showing up over a short period of time -The proposed sales price from "con team" was way below similar works of art Additionally from the finance both the Gallery owner Michael Hammer and curator Ann Freedman who pushed the narrative of the painting being legit profited over the large volume of sales before red flags got raised. The gallery from a balance sheet also would have gone underwater if it wasn't for sales being the number one producer of revenue over the years given how all the forged paints sold for millions of dollars a pop. It was some hilarious king moves how pei shen qian was able to escape back to china rather than face the US justice system and a 45+ year life sentence. What was your take on the documentary after watching? etalian has issued a correction as of 17:43 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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I forged my mother's signature on school poo poo all the time. Her name is all over that awful art I made.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jKbbajb5pE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Hebborn
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thanks for the doc OP im gonna watch it I once had a life drawing session with an old dude as a model who was simultaneously being filmed for a doc about forging art. he claimed to have been chased by the rcmp all over canada but i forgot his name. also Ive always been an illustrator leaning towards realism but still love some modern art pieces. one of the most memorable galleries I ever saw was just a collection of everyday objects, styrofoam packing containers, oil drums etc. I was like what's the big deal until I touched them and realized they were intricately carved from marble, like fine sculptures of disposable crap. the disassociation between the observed object and my sense of touch momentarily short circuited my brain and it ruled Dreylad posted:friend who worked at an art gallery told me early on that art was just a massive money laundering scheme. bitcoin got nothing on Art. the NFT art rush made me happy cause at least (some) artists were making bank even if the rich buyers ended up getting screwed
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This comrade would pose as ultra-rich guy/philanthropist to donate his forged art to museums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NClrxjaLD20
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Durf posted:I once had a life drawing session with an old dude as a model who was simultaneously being filmed for a doc about forging art. he claimed to have been chased by the rcmp all over canada but i forgot his name. You wouldn't happen to be referring to the Norval Morrisseau forgeries? There Are No Fakes documents the weird saga, from the art broker selling obvious fakes to the pedophile gangleader running the forgery operation to the poor schlubs churning out the paintings for drug money. And oddly enough it suggests Morrisseau authorized the forgeries to begin with!
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Mark Landis avoided any criminal charges since he never charged any money for his forgeries/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Landis For people who have Amazon Prime US here's a direct link to the documentary: https://www.amazon.com/Art-Craft-Mark-Landis/dp/B00QSNNPCS/ etalian has issued a correction as of 04:07 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Jun 2, 2021 23:31
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rothko sucks poo poo
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Relin posted:rothko sucks poo poo nope 
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Rothko was a CIA op
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so is like all abstract art made during the cold war lol
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Yeah, as far as facts go its pretty fun
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I dunno exactly how this fits in this thread but I'm pretty sure it does. Some guy sells an invisible sculpture quote:An Italian artist, Salvatore Garau, recently managed to sell an invisible sculpture for 15 000 (R251 982) at an Art-Rite auction. Titled Io Sono (Italian for I am) the work is immaterial and only exists in the artists imagination.
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Hand Knit posted:I dunno exactly how this fits in this thread but I'm pretty sure it does. now that is great con
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Hand Knit posted:I dunno exactly how this fits in this thread but I'm pretty sure it does. anyone who says modern art sucks just doesnt have a sense of humor and tbqh that justification is pretty clever and an interesting way of looking at it. definitely building on piero manzoni's work, specifically Frieze which was an empty platform that people could stand on 
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double nine posted:now that is great con It's actually a terrible con, but rich people are just that dumb.
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baw posted:nope I feel like Rothko works really live or die in the presentation. I mean all art does but I think it's especially true for him.
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apparently the really old wines taste awful which is why they taste expensive and how you can tell blind
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christmas boots posted:I feel like Rothko works really live or die in the presentation. I mean all art does but I think it's especially true for him. yeah it's just a real cool room, anything could be on those panels
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anish kapoor's bottomless pit was really cool though  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14j5qv2KbE4
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My posts are priceless, please don't steal them
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Elissimpark posted:My posts are priceless, please don't steal them
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The Protagonist posted:anish kapoor's bottomless pit was really cool though https://www.thecollector.com/vantablack-anish-kapoor-stuart-semple-controversy/ The most direct and biting reaction to Kapoors monopoly on Vantablack, however, was Stuart Semples. Semple, another British artist, found himself likewise allured by the abyssal color. Following his discovery of Kapoors artistic monopoly on the material, Semple hatched a plan. In the last days of 2016, retribution found Kapoor in the perhaps unlikely, but certainly poetic form of new pigment developed by Semple, one which he claimed to be the Pinkest Pink. It was posted for sale on Semples website with this legal rider: By adding this product to your cart you confirm that you are not Anish Kapoor, you are in no way affiliated to Anish Kapoor, you are not purchasing this item on behalf of Anish Kapoor or an associate of Anish Kapoor. To the best of your knowledge, information and belief this paint will not make its way into the hands of Anish Kapoor.
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Mr. Sharps posted:art in private hands generally just sits in untaxed storage units in ports waiting to be sold again. its pokemon cards for millionaires These are at major airports right? I saw something to that effect watching that sherlock holmes show on nbc
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whoa i didn't know any of this, neat! quote:The recipe for Mummy Brown paint includes actual, ground-up mummies, and has not been produced since the early 20th century in part because of the dwindling supply of mummies. 
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a helpful bear posted:it's great that people who think they are smarter than everyone else regularly get destroyed by their own hubris More like mildly inconvenienced by their own hubris
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The Protagonist posted:The recipe for Mummy Brown paint includes actual, ground-up mummies, and has not been produced since the early 20th century in part because of the dwindling supply of mummies. Is this how they make Yugioh cards, thus the egyptian magic powers associated with the cards?
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Filthy Hans posted:https://www.thecollector.com/vantablack-anish-kapoor-stuart-semple-controversy/ I have a shitload of Semple's products, and they absolutely rule. Klein Blue rules. Black 3.0 rules. His watercolor set rules. The pink rules. The glow in the dark pigments rule. the medium rules. It's a pretty good store.
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lmfao
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wokue4bZYuU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtuwqHDMrvU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WQyaKoWhjc etalian has issued a correction as of 22:31 on Jun 5, 2021 |
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Fortaleza posted:Briefly dated a chick who was a professional sommelier, she really did have keen olfactory senses. Told me the big you learn in the whole process is how to elaborate on what you're sensing. It's not like people going through the rigors of wine tasting are enhancing their senses since there's no such thing. I lived with a chocolate and coffee consultant who was a certified taster of that stuff and he showed me these miniature bottles containing various distillates, phenols, and purified forms of the aromatic (?) components of chocolate, which he used as part of his training in order to help distinguish the different flavors. that was interesting to learn about.
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My mother in law is super excited about passing on an Antoine Blanchard streetscape that her mother acquired at great cost, too bad it's fake as poo poo. This knowledge is a secret that I will be taking to her grave.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:My mother in law is super excited about passing on an Antoine Blanchard streetscape that her mother acquired at great cost, too bad it's fake as poo poo. that's a bleak anecdote, bro
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Eh, when we inherit it we'll probably just display it because it's pretty rather than convert it to a jetski because it's expensive
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:My mother in law is super excited about passing on an Antoine Blanchard streetscape that her mother acquired at great cost, too bad it's fake as poo poo. Lmao my grandmother tried this as a paint by numbers thing a few times
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