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Ether Frenzy posted:Are we talking about the same Dodge Omni that basically doesn't exist anywhere anymore despite a run of 12 model years because they all rusted out 6 months after they drove off the lot? While the same vintage of Honda are all over the place still? I'm pretty sure across the board that 80's Chryslers sucked buckets of rear end without anyone needing to have any personal grudges... They were specifically Motor Trend's Car of the Year. CR deliberately mocked it. That market segment included the Pinto and Chevette, so being the best was a pretty low bar. All cars sucked pretty hard in that era.
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Jun 28, 2021 23:29
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Plenty of 80s Toyotas and Hondas running around California. Haven't seen an 80s big 3 product that wasn't in dire shape (and still rare), a babied sportscar, or a truck in years.
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Jun 28, 2021 23:33
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Try to find a 1995 Ford Explorer or Chevy Blazer vs how many 1995 4Runners you find.
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Jun 29, 2021 00:10
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I mean, ... this has to be trolling, right? I've never met anyone who thought those were good cars, much less "highly acclaimed". Deteriorata posted:They were specifically Motor Trend's Car of the Year. CR deliberately mocked it. KakerMix posted:Try to find a 1995 Ford Explorer or Chevy Blazer vs how many 1995 4Runners you find. It is clearly a gigantic piece of poo poo, but it does run! Krakkles fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jun 29, 2021 |
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Jun 29, 2021 00:35
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Krakkles posted:I mean, ... this has to be trolling, right? The point is that CR didn't stop at saying it was a lovely car their readers shouldn't buy. They concocted a fake excuse to label the car "Not Acceptable," meaning they thought it was fundamentally unsafe and Chrysler shouldn't be allowed to sell it, in a deliberate attempt to kneecap Chrysler by drumming up another "Unsafe at Any Speed" controversy. When the crowds with pitchforks and torches failed to materialize CR somehow found the cars to be Acceptable the next year without Chrysler changing much of anything.
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Jun 29, 2021 00:43
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The Washington Post posted:1979 Omni, Horizon Are Rated Acceptable by Consumer Reports Sounds like they really sunk the reputation of Chrysler's Line of Awesome Vehicles with this slight.
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Jun 29, 2021 01:00
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Can we instead talk about the much more interesting consumer reports conspiracy about the Suzuki Samurai rather than the freakin' Dodge Omni?
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Autotrader shows 34 4Runners and 30 Explorers using 97 as a cutoff. Tbh I’d say that makes Ford look better than Toyota considering Ford completely abandoned any pretense of sport utility in favor of making an SUV for soccer moms.
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But they also sold probably 3-to-1 or 2-to-1 as many Explorers vs 4Runners in the US in that time period.
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Maybe but the argument wasn’t proportional it was more “you don’t see old explorers” which isn’t really true. There’s a fair number of people off-roading old 4Runners because they want to. There’s zero soccer moms soccer momming old explorers because they want to, has more to do with what you see out there than a lot of other factors I’d say.
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bird with big dick posted:Maybe but the argument wasn’t proportional it was more “you don’t see old explorers” which isn’t really true. You're ignoring that 4Runners have earned their place alongside 'Toyota Pickup' (aka Back to the Future truck) because they just freakin' last. That reputation carries on today, and is why clean 4Runners from those eras go for fat piles of money. And why people still buy 4Runners and Tacomas even though they are, on paper, expensive, inefficient, old designs. Because, as you say, people want to. Maybe a sparkly clean Eddie Bauer Explorer can pull in some coin, but does such a thing exist?
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I don't have any love for them but Explorers were probably one of Ford's better built products. Just my observation, but their trucks and the Mustang seem to be most consistent, quality wise. I don't have any real metrics to back that up, though -- just what I see out on the road. Some of what I see is probably tempered based on being where I drive. I still don't trust Ford though, and Hyundai is mostly okay but as you see with the Theta engines still has some issues in the modern era too. edit: I mean it seems like Ford often has potentially fatal flaws that mar otherwise good cars that I would like, like transmissions in their FWD cars (Powershift, AXOD, shooting of spark plugs, etc) Kia Soul Enthusias fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jun 29, 2021 |
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Jun 29, 2021 02:17
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Deteriorata posted:They were specifically Motor Trend's Car of the Year. CR deliberately mocked it. Oh do you mean it won COTY when MT awarded separate domestic and import awards?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Oh do you mean it won COTY when MT awarded separate domestic and import awards? The cover of the issue said, "Car of the Year? NOT ACCEPTABLE" which is the only reason it matters. They used the COTY award (deserved or not) as an excuse to mock it.
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Jun 29, 2021 02:30
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Holy lol at some of the all time worst cars ever made being the MT COTY (domestic) winners from 1973-2000 (when they stopped breaking up the divisions). I think we've identified the problem and it's Motor Trend https://www.motortrend.com/news/car-of-the-year-winners-2/
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Ether Frenzy posted:Holy lol at some of the all time worst cars ever made being the MT COTY (domestic) winners from 1973-2000 (when they stopped breaking up the divisions). I think we've identified the problem and it's Motor Trend 1980 Motor Trend Car Of The Year: Chevrolet Citation I don't think I've seen one of these on the roads ever before in my life, and I was born in 1984.
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Jun 29, 2021 02:37
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They were extremely bad, and then you scroll down to the import section and see 1980 Import Car of the Year: Honda Civic And you can see maybe why Chrysler got dinged vs Honda in other comparisons. Also I've ridden in a Suzuki Samurai and while it was very cool I still felt extremely unsafe even at 10...
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Deteriorata posted:The cover of the issue said, "Car of the Year? NOT ACCEPTABLE" which is the only reason it matters. They used the COTY award (deserved or not) as an excuse to mock it. My opinion is that it’s good to make fun of MT’s trash cupcake award
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KakerMix posted:1980 Motor Trend Car Of The Year: Chevrolet Citation There's one in my neighborhood. I saw a diesel one around 2013 too 😱
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Ether Frenzy posted:Holy lol at some of the all time worst cars ever made being the MT COTY (domestic) winners from 1973-2000 (when they stopped breaking up the divisions). I think we've identified the problem and it's Motor Trend The PT Cruiser won car of the year?!?! quote:The obvious reason for the selection of the Chevrolet Citation as the 1980 Motor Trend Car of the Year is that its score at the conclusion of our testing was the highest of all the cars nominated. It won on merit. HAHAHAHA JFC was was the competition? A broken bicycle? I'm sure you AI posters could select better COTY than these professional scribblers. Ya'll actually know something about cars
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Honestly there's a few years around the late 70s where I honestly don't think any American vehicle intended for mass production is deserving of any awards. That era where malaise hadn't quiiiiite faded out yet and manufacturers were starting to find ways to make smaller vehicles that weren't completely poo poo but ended up still being completely poo poo but now with baffling "features" and parts bin interior design. If we can choose vehicles that are low production then yeah I can think of way less atrocious domestic vehicles for model year 1980 than the Citation. Better general production cars would be like... I dunno, I think the Ford Escort was MY1981 so that can't win any awards. Chevy Suburban? It's just a big truck that hauls poo poo and iirc that era you could get 'em with big fuckoff bench seats that would fit your extended family.
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1997's COTY: The Chevrolet Malibu 1997's Import of the year: BMW E39 5 series Starting to think maybe Motor Trend is paid for by Detroit
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The PT Cruiser won car of the year?!?!
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The good news, it’s not a heart attack! Dr thinks it might be a blood clot in my lungs.
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got off on a technicality posted:I rented one for 6 weeks and it grew on me over time. And its cultural impact has been considerable. It's not any less worthy just because it isn't a performance car for "enthusiasts" It's not worthy because even brand new it was absolute garbage compared to pretty much anything even cars costing close to it's sticker price. It's cultural impact mostly revolves around how much of a joke it is
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:It's not worthy because even brand new it was absolute garbage compared to pretty much anything even cars costing close to it's sticker price. It's cultural impact mostly revolves around how much of a joke it is The PT Cruiser was unrefined and lovely in a particularly American way, but it was also serviceable in a particularly American way that will be familiar to anyone who's ever driven a Crown Vic. Having cleared that low bar, it was free to scratch a particular itch for the consumer that no other product at the time was quite as capable of scratching: nice upright position for easy entry and exit, simplicity of operation, retro styling. I saw a gaggle of them at a brunch buffet by the sea two weeks ago, and it was clear they were loved. Hell, I've owned so many cars that are objectively better in all respects, and I still reminisce about my lovely rental PT Cruiser. I don't know that it was the best choice for car of the year or whatever, but it has its strong points
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Powershift posted:The good news, it’s not a heart attack! Yikes, don't die, man!
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got off on a technicality posted:I once drove a first gen Aveo. That was a true garbage car People can like lovely cars. You can like them for whatever reason you want - just as long as you accept someone is going to point and laugh at you and someone else is going to have some barbed critique, in the end liking lovely irredeemable cars is all about what makes for this dumb hobby. However declaring a car is the "best" of a year actually means, you would think that journalists would actually do exactly what it says on the box and crown a car the best because it actually is. The PT Cruiser from the day it existed the factory was not - It was one of the *worst* objectively. It's just more proof the industry of car journalism is full of people who shouldnt be allowed near a car to judge it and it's not like the PT Cruiser is unique in the journals to get some award when every single person who helped bring the decrepit piece of worthless shite to market should never have a job again eg what was once one of the mosted lauded gongs to win was the Wheels Car of the Year and they elevated such stunning turds like the JB Camira, he XC Barina and the VN Commodore winners. Even if the car was kinda okay (BMW i3, Honda CR-Z), there is no way either of those are the"best" car. (Thinking about wretched garbage that can be liked irrationally.... I think it was a Pontiac Grand Am I road tripped with years ago in the USA/Canada? What a loving awful turd that consumed kms over lovely roads and conditions that in the end I thought Hmmm yeah I got kinda fond of it after driving it or two weeks? Dear god it was a shocker of a car in so many respected but I cant hate it) quote:The good news, it’s not a heart attack! AHHHHH drat stay alive for us dude!
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The Motor Trend award is more like Time Person of the Year when they had Hitler and Stalin (I actually thought the PT Cruiser was cool looking, and the Prowler too)
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Charles posted:The Motor Trend award is more like Time Person of the Year when they had Hitler and Stalin Also Donald Trump. I'll hand it to the PT Cruiser, I thought they were cool when I was a child, but the Prowler really captured my imagination. Now I drive something a lot more like the Cruiser than the Prowler, a hatchback, and probably will forever.
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When the PT Cruiser came out it was a whole thing. For the people that loved them it seemed to make them truly happy. I remember being at the gas station in college and someone with the first in the wild purple one I had seen had people coming up to them. And I think the owners got a real satisfaction out of that. Of course my cynical car guy self was shaking his head like wow what dummies. But if it made them happy and other people happy? That is what cars should do. Oh I hated them. But why not do something different? I’m just sick and tired of being such an rear end personally not that I wasn’t just a few weeks ago. I don’t remember driving an Omni but probably did I delivered cars for detail work in the 90’s nothing stuck out as bad. Obviously even in high school after getting sick of working on cars and reliability we migrated to Honda and Toyota if we could. I do remember my friend had a Citation and it was capable but after breaking down again we just left it in the Piggly Wiggly parking lot and never heard anything else about it.
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So…. My life has come crashing down around me and it’s all my own stupid fault. I’m polyamorous and I haven’t told anyone until today when I had to tell my supervisor and friend at work, so he knew why I was looking like death and was so absolutely miserable. My long term partner of 11 years knows, and is understanding of it, as when we first met I was already in a poly relationship with another mutual friend of ours, but it was a non sexual one and that has eventually over time run it’s course and gone back to being friends. Where I’ve totally hosed up is mid last year a workmates daughter approached me on a camping trip begging for help to escape from an abusive relationship. I helped her out, supported her and have been her primary support person since. And I fell in love with her, and her with me. I failed the first big hurdle and didn’t communicate properly. I was too terrified of what my workmate and friend of 20 years would say if I said I was romantically involved with his daughter. I was worried about being accused of cheating on my partner, I was terrified of people not understanding what being polyamorous was and what it means and judging me. So we kept it (very badly) hidden. Which meant that I couldn’t properly meet the needs of the new love in my life. And it’s also meant that I haven’t been open and honest with my existing partner, and that’s caused a lot of damage to our relationship. And it came to a head on Sunday night, when I found out that my friends daughter had gone on a date with someone else, because I wasn’t able to meet what she wanted out of the relationship. And it’s meant I’ve had to basically walk away, because it’s not fair on her or the new guy to have the spectre of me looming, and I don’t want to be the one who’s blamed if the new relationship doesn’t work out, because she’s still not emotional recovered enough from the abuse and trauma she received from her last partner. I feel absolutely lost and alone right now. I miss her so badly, I worry constantly how she’s doing because I’ve been her rock and support for so long now, and I’m realising how much damage and destruction I’ve done to my long term relationship and I’m struggling to come to terms with myself how I could do that to someone I love so much. As a friend of mine who’s also poly said to me once, the best part of being poly is the abundance of love you have. The worst part is you have so many more hearts to get broken. Sorry for the wall o text, I just had to get this all out before it consumed me.
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Oof. It's hard enough work balancing the needs of two in a monogamous relationship sometimes. Hope that you and your long term partner can work through it, and maybe you and the new flame can find some sort of loving and supportive (if not romantic) arrangement. Of course, if you stop posting now we'll be forced to assume your workmate has disappeared you into the outback.
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I have no worthwhile advice because I have no perspective on a poly lifestyle. But we're here if you need us.
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Ferremit posted:So…. My life has come crashing down around me and it’s all my own stupid fault. So if I have this right, you kept the relationship a secret from your primary partner? Ooof. Your friend is so right on that comment. If I understand the story right, I think it'll be good for both of you to let that relationship go. Hiding your love is thrilling at first but detrimental in the long run. I feel for you having to be outed as well. Even if it didn't involve your coworker, it's painful. Poly shares the same fate as other non traditional relationships in that people will be rude about it, and they have no reason to be. I am personally in a poly relationship right now. The tough thing for me is how tough it can be to find a good match, and how tempting it is to get into a relationship that isn't a good match just because it's available. I remain good friends with someone who was not a good romantic match, yet when we were dating it felt great. I've become more selective over the years, and that has helped me from being hurt too badly. It still hurts when someone else decides your relationship is over and it was a surprise.
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I'm sorry you're in such a state. No judgement here, but this will probably end up for the best -- when you brought her in, she was vulnerable and in need. There's a power structure there that is not healthy for a relationship. I hope things work out well for you.
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BaseballPCHiker posted:While Im excited about the Santa Cruz and the Maverick, this is why I think ill go with the Hyundai. I've heard of so many issues from people with F150s and EcoBoost engines, all anecdotal so who knows how bad they really are but it doesnt fill me with confidence. Rhyno posted:The only thing exciting about the Maverick is the mpg. The Santa Cruz looks better in every other way. The Mavericks MPG is impressive, but the thing that got my attention was the price. Starting price for the Hybrid Maverick is $19k new. That's completely insane. The ecoboost engine (with AWD) is a $3000 option and I expect those to be lovely tbh. I'm hoping the hybrid drivetrain is as (sort of) reliable as the Fusion's hybrid drive-train. But yeah I've been burned by ford so many times at this point no matter how cool it is that they're selling a hybrid entry level truck for $19k, there's no way in hell that this won't wind up being a complete and utter disaster that explodes after 30k miles/right after warranty. everdave posted:When the PT Cruiser came out it was a whole thing. For the people that loved them it seemed to make them truly happy. I remember being at the gas station in college and someone with the first in the wild purple one I had seen had people coming up to them. And I think the owners got a real satisfaction out of that. Of course my cynical car guy self was shaking his head like wow what dummies. But if it made them happy and other people happy? That is what cars should do. Oh I hated them. But why not do something different? I’m just sick and tired of being such an rear end personally not that I wasn’t just a few weeks ago. I don’t remember driving an Omni but probably did I delivered cars for detail work in the 90’s nothing stuck out as bad. Obviously even in high school after getting sick of working on cars and reliability we migrated to Honda and Toyota if we could. I do remember my friend had a Citation and it was capable but after breaking down again we just left it in the Piggly Wiggly parking lot and never heard anything else about it. Hindsight really is 20/20. I always thought the PT Cruiser was awful when it was new (especially the wood paneled variants) but now looking back, the car was actually really ahead of its time. I think RCR is too mean and I don't like watching his reviews because they get me in a bad mood generally, but I think he really nailed his review of the cruiser. I remember my Band instructor got the purple convertible PT and I thought it was the lamest mid life crisis car possible. I also remember finding it incredibly funny that Steve Carrel's character on NBC's "The Office" had a cruiser as well. I would not even call the cruiser "lovely" by any means at this point. Now that I know it shares most of its parts with the 2nd gen neon, I imagine it is actually pretty easy to work on. The reason so many of them look so horrible has more to do with the rapid depreciation of Chrysler prod cuts and the people who are forced to buy them through economic necessity. If I were really hard up and just needed anything to get around I would take a PT cruiser any day over a ford escape or explorer. It's honestly kind of sad that they are slowly starting to disappear  I wonder what the next "poverty joke car" is gonna be. My bet is on every post 2008 ford and Nissan product. It won't be the same though because compared to the cruiser they are all boring. CerealKilla420 fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Jun 29, 2021 |
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