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Hi, It's been about 4 years since I last built a PC (for someone else), and I'm looking to make another new one for myself. It'll be used for development and media/content creation work. What sites actually post benchmarks and are readable in 2024? No youtube/tiktok/video media please. edit: Ah, anandtech is still around and in the OP. Share Bear fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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Xun posted:I've got two fried PSU-to-wall outlet cables in a week. One cable dying is whatever, two is sus as hell. Call an electrician.
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Mar 28, 2024 19:48
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Xenoborg posted:Baulders Gate 3 has finally brought my 12+ year old gaming PC to its knees so I'm looking to build a PC for the first time in over a decade. It looks like things are even more streamlined then they were and I think I have a workable setup after just a few hours of reading. I've noticed there is a warning about CPU cooler fit with RAM and mounting holes. Reading through the comments on the Deepcool AK620 it sounds like this isn't a big concern, but anyone have experience with it?
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Mar 28, 2024 19:49
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Xenoborg posted:I've noticed there is a warning about CPU cooler fit with RAM and mounting holes. Reading through the comments on the Deepcool AK620 it sounds like this isn't a big concern, but anyone have experience with it? The AK620 cites a clearance of 43mm and the G.Skill memory kit is 33mm high, so you should have a good centimeter or so of clearance between the bottom of the front fan and the top of the DIMMs If you still need the extra clearance for whatever reason, you can nudge the fans up by moving the fan clips - they just hug the heatsink, no latches or grooves or anything, so you're free to shift them around as needed
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Mar 28, 2024 20:01
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Share Bear posted:Hi, https://gamersnexus.net/ is gaming focused, but they have some non-gaming benchmarks too.
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Mar 28, 2024 20:53
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I think Puget Systems is the go to for benchmarks for media and content creator stuff.
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Mar 28, 2024 20:58
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I kind of have the upgrade bug now that I installed my 7800x3D, so I want to ask: How long is my RTX 3070 good for in terms of 1440p gaming? I am sort of trying to talk myself out of upgrading for now.
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Mar 28, 2024 21:26
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Unlucky7 posted:I kind of have the upgrade bug now that I installed my 7800x3D, so I want to ask: How long is my RTX 3070 good for in terms of 1440p gaming? I am sort of trying to talk myself out of upgrading for now. Which games are you playing/wanting to play? A 3070 is fine for a lot of stuff and underpowered for others spending on quality settings and the like.
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Mar 28, 2024 21:50
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Unlucky7 posted:I kind of have the upgrade bug now that I installed my 7800x3D, so I want to ask: How long is my RTX 3070 good for in terms of 1440p gaming? I am sort of trying to talk myself out of upgrading for now. Sup 7800X3D with 3070 at 1440p gaming buddy. Like you I did the 7800X3D first, then got the itch and upgraded my card to a 7900XT. Honestly, the upgrade was nice. My new baseline framerafe in a lot of games was significantly higher, like BG3, Metro Exodus, and I have everything maxed out but realistically I should have waited longer. I was already at smooth frame rates and decent settings, and now I get smoother frames and better settings (but it’s kind of that thing where High to Ultra is less impactful from Low-Medium) It’s definitely a nice-to-have boost, and I guess I’m future proofed for GTA6 or something, but fairly marginal in the grand scheme of things when I’m still playing ancient/2D games most days. I’d say hold off if you can, unless there’s some game currently that’s kneecapping you hard because of the 8GB VRAM.
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Mar 28, 2024 21:55
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Thinking of doubling the RAM to 4x16g. Its so cheap compared to what it used to be and I do do a lot of multitasking, but it still might be completly useless... edit: I've been alerted that 4 sticks of ram can be useless or even harmful to speed based on the CPU having: Memory Channels Supported 2 PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($357.00 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler ($54.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 GAMING X AX V2 ATX AM5 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL32 Memory ($96.90 @ Amazon) Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($179.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card ($599.99 @ Best Buy) Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($155.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon) Monitor: AOC U27G3X 27.0" 3840 x 2160 160 Hz Monitor ($489.99 @ Amazon) Total: $2224.83 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-03-28 17:28 EDT-0400 Xenoborg fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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Mar 28, 2024 21:56
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Branch Nvidian posted:Which games are you playing/wanting to play? A 3070 is fine for a lot of stuff and underpowered for others spending on quality settings and the like. Well, I am not looking to have everything maxxed; like high settings are nice but I am not looking for ultra settings, and I am not above lowering some stuff. I am currently playing Dragons Dogma 2, which kind of prompted the CPU upgrade (which was already kind of struggling with Alan Wake 2, so it is not the sole reason, and I still think it was time for an upgrade), and while it is a great game with obvious technical issues that can't be fixed with better hardware, I am mostly getting around 60 fps, and everything else I do not have trouble running, even before the CPU hike. I get that the 3070 will likely be the bottleneck from here on out though. Unlucky7 fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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Mar 28, 2024 22:29
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Xenoborg posted:Thinking of doubling the RAM to 4x16g. Its so cheap compared to what it used to be and I do do a lot of multitasking, but it still might be completly useless... I recommend picking some memory off this list if you want it to run at full speed out of the box with no fuss. Unlucky7 posted:I am currently playing Dragons Dogma 2, which kind of prompted the CPU upgrade (which was already kind of struggling with Alan Wake 2, so it is not the sole reason, and I still think it was time for an upgrade), and while it is a great game with obvious technical issues that can't be fixed with better hardware, I am mostly getting around 60 fps, and everything else I do not have trouble running, even before the CPU hike. I have a 4080 Super paired with a 7800X3D and that can't even keep Dragons Dogma 2 north of 60fps full time. I wouldn't throw new hardware at that game. It has deeper technical issues. This isn't a Crysis situation. wash bucket fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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Mar 28, 2024 22:50
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Unlucky7 posted:Well, I am not looking to have everything maxxed; like high settings are nice but I am not looking for ultra settings, and I am not above lowering some stuff. The big issue is that this generation's set of cards have pretty bad value, and your current card is still drat good. From what you've described, I'd wait and see for the next generation. For Alan wake 2, try looking into the fsr3 mods to add frame Gen support for your card.
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Mar 28, 2024 22:55
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Unlucky7 posted:I kind of have the upgrade bug now that I installed my 7800x3D, so I want to ask: How long is my RTX 3070 good for in terms of 1440p gaming? I am sort of trying to talk myself out of upgrading for now. If you aren't unhappy with the performance currently, then I wouldn't upgrade. I don't think anyone can accurately say how much more life the 3070 will have at 1440p, but I don't think you should be upgrading in anticipation of obsolescence. Wait until it actually happens. I'm sure the card will be fine until the next gen 9 - 12 months from now.
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Mar 28, 2024 23:05
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wash bucket posted:I have a 4080 Super paired with a 7800X3D and that can't even keep Dragons Dogma 2 north of 60fps full time. I wouldn't throw new hardware at that game. It has deeper technical issues. This isn't a Crysis situation. At least for the 7800X3D I was upgrading from a i5 8400 which was well below their minimum requirements and ~$500 for a new processor+motherboard+ram was a such a nice deal. I am still glad I got the new CPU but I think I will wait until the card is struggling before doing anything.
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Mar 29, 2024 00:15
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Xenoborg posted:Thinking of doubling the RAM to 4x16g. Its so cheap compared to what it used to be and I do do a lot of multitasking, but it still might be completly useless... Last call for input on this. Going to put in the order at Microcenter in the morning tomorrow and pick up at lunch.
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Mar 29, 2024 01:02
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Xun posted:I've got two fried PSU-to-wall outlet cables in a week. One cable dying is whatever, two is sus as hell. For the record, one fried wall cable is sus
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Mar 29, 2024 02:23
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Unlucky7 posted:At least for the 7800X3D I was upgrading from a i5 8400 which was well below their minimum requirements and ~$500 for a new processor+motherboard+ram was a such a nice deal. Yeah, wait until the next gen of cards are out and reevaluate at that time.
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Mar 29, 2024 02:28
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How much does brand or heatsink matter for SSDs? MC has a few similar options I'm choosing between. https://www.microcenter.com/endeca/...WFsbCZwYWdlPTE=
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Mar 29, 2024 03:05
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Xenoborg posted:How much does brand or heatsink matter for SSDs? MC has a few similar options I'm choosing between. I don't think you need one at all unless you have some heavy load on it 24/7 or the airflow in your case is absolutely awful
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Mar 29, 2024 03:53
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fletcher posted:I don't think you need one at all unless you have some heavy load on it 24/7 or the airflow in your case is absolutely awful Counterpoint, small heatsinks are cool looking and the fins get pretty hot so it does help dissipate heat. Im using these NVMe Heatsinks for M.2 2280mm SSD https://a.co/d/6zySUdb
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Mar 29, 2024 06:48
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spunkshui posted:Counterpoint, small heatsinks are cool looking and the fins get pretty hot so it does help dissipate heat. "it does help dissipate heat" ... however it is unnecessary unless you have a high intensity use case which does not include loading game levels.
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Mar 29, 2024 06:52
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Also the flash chips themselves work better warm. So it could be useful to cover them with a metal strip that transfers hear from the controller.
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Mar 29, 2024 09:24
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those heatsinks are essentially decorative so pick whatever one you think looks coolest. or save a few bucks. I think some people ITT have complained about fan noise on Corsair RMe PSUs so if you care about such things you might want to swap it out.
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Mar 29, 2024 14:11
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Thanks all, I'm hitting buy. Went with the heatsink version since at worst its a waste of $20 and maybe it does something useful.
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Mar 29, 2024 14:29
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Saukkis posted:Also the flash chips themselves work better warm. So it could be useful to cover them with a metal strip that transfers hear from the controller. I’m not super knowledgeable about the different aspects of a SSD, but in my mind things getting hot puts stress on them. Also, temperature change causes things to expand and contract. So by sandwiching my SSD in this little metal holder that has fins I’m going to distribute the heat fairly uniformly across the product and prevent any one area from becoming a hotspot. Also, it’s like six bucks and comes in fun colors! spunkshui fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Mar 29, 2024 |
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Mar 29, 2024 15:05
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Xenoborg posted:Thanks all, I'm hitting buy. Went with the heatsink version since at worst its a waste of $20 and maybe it does something useful. it is, and it doesn't.
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Mar 29, 2024 15:17
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https://www.guru3d.com/review/guru3d-nvme-thermal-test/page-14/ Here’s some data about the issue if anyone’s curious. I think they’re worth having considering the extremely low cost and the fact that they look cool. That’s the best part about custom building: that you get to have it your way. I totally get people saying that they don’t do anything though. If they were needed, they would come with them.
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Mar 29, 2024 15:25
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I can't see what drives the OP was choosing between since their link doesn't work for me, but a lot of the posts in this thread are stuck in the PCIe 3 era. The controllers in high-speed PCIe 4 drives can definitely heat up to the point where they thermally throttle, even in cases with good airflow. Generally this only applies to sequential writes that last more than a few minutes, but if you're doing those then you need to use a heatsink to maximize performance. It's probably not something most people will ever notice, but there's a reason these heatsinks/heat spreaders exist. edit: this page in the article above is the most relevant one: https://www.guru3d.com/review/guru3d-nvme-thermal-test/page-6/#copying-a-large-file-kioxia-exceria-pro-2-tb A motherboard heat spreader will be more than enough. If you don't have one and are adding a high-end PCIe4 drive, then using a heatsink isn't pointless, though it definitely isn't necessary either. If it's a PCIe 3 drive or a slower PCIe 4 drive, then it probably won't be doing much. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Mar 29, 2024 |
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Mar 29, 2024 15:38
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spunkshui posted:I’m not super knowledgeable about the different aspects of a SSD, but in my mind things getting hot puts stress on them. Klyith posted:No: the NAND flash likes being warm, and writing when at 40-50C will actually increase data retention / longevity. Ironically, putting a water cooler on a SSD (a thing that exists!) would theoretically *reduce* lifespan because your flash would always be more or less room temp while writing. Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I can't see what drives the OP was choosing between since their link doesn't work for me, but a lot of the posts in this thread are stuck in the PCIe 3 era. The controllers in high-speed PCIe 4 drives can definitely heat up to the point where they thermally throttle, even in cases with good airflow. Generally this only applies to sequential writes that last more than a few minutes, but if you're doing those then you need to use a heatsink to maximize performance. It's probably not something most people will ever notice, but there's a reason these heatsinks/heat spreaders exist. Sure, but what can you do to produce several hundred gigabytes of data at 3GB/second. If you have hundred DVD rips you want to copy between NVMe drives then you can probably experience throttling, but in normal use you simply can't process enough data to run in to issues.
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Mar 29, 2024 15:51
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Saukkis posted:Sure, but what can you do to produce several hundred gigabytes of data at 3GB/second. If you have hundred DVD rips you want to copy between NVMe drives then you can probably experience throttling, but in normal use you simply can't process enough data to run in to issues. It doesn't have to be *hundreds* of gigs. You'll see it when moving large game folders from one drive to another, especially multiple back-to-back. It's not something you'll do every day, but I'm just saying that it's not literally pointless.
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Mar 29, 2024 16:06
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id probably keep the 20 bucks and have it take that very uncommon normal end user activity take like 25s more or whatever
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Mar 29, 2024 16:31
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“the NAND flash likes being warm, and writing when at 40-50C will actually increase data retention / longevity.“ This is actually why I do use a heat spreader. Mine are at 49C and 54C and it spreads that to all the lil chips instead of letting it build up on whatever is making the most heat.
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Mar 29, 2024 17:05
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You can buy a 2-pack of nvme heatsinks that come with elastic bands you use to strap them down for like €/$/£10
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Mar 29, 2024 17:19
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Xenoborg posted:Thanks all, I'm hitting buy. Went with the heatsink version since at worst its a waste of $20 and maybe it does something useful. You know that motherboard already has a heatsink/spreader already, right? You have to remove it to mount the drives under it. Granted, you can leave it off if you wanted to use your own. My ASUS boards have that and the three NVME drives I have in there haven't gotten over 50°C. Right now it's about 21°C in my room and the RAID drives(under the same heatsink) are at 46° and 44° and my game drive under another heatsink is 43°. All the drives are SN850X. Two 1TB and one 2TB.
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Turmoil posted:You know that motherboard already has a heatsink/spreader already, right? Nope! I’m nostly ignorant of anything having to do with M2 since it wasn’t around last time I built. Hopefully I don’t have a clash. I can ask at MC when I pickup.
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Oh in this case, you should definitely not buy the version with the heatsink. Use the built-in motherboard heatsinks instead.
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Xenoborg posted:Nope! I’m nostly ignorant of anything having to do with M2 since it wasn’t around last time I built. Hopefully I don’t have a clash. I can ask at MC when I pickup. It should be fine. That board has three m.2 slots. You can just leave the heatsink off the the one you're putting that drive in. The drive you're getting has a RGB LED on it so it'll look nice in that slot.
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Not sure if this is the right thread, lemee know if not. Anyone here ever had a motherboard cause coil whine to come from the PSU? Bought a Corsair rm750e, and it had coil whine, only when idle. Really bad though, like across the room bad. Amazon had a replacement to me within the day. Same issue. I have a video of this (second) one (the bad, unchangeable, thumbnail is just my hand lol) So two Corsair PSUs, I thought I'd get something off of that Cultist list. Got an NZXT 1200C total overkill, but it was only £30 more than the Corsairs Nope. Even worse. It's like Josh Wink's Higher State Of Consciousness at points. Again it is fine under load. So, that's now 3 different PSUs, all with the same issue. Never had this with the previous PC. Sadly don't have any spare parts to cross check things with. Tried removing everything once at a time, RAM, SSDs, all peripherals. Tried different power cables, different sockets in different parts of the house. Tried all sorts of BIOS settings, default, etc etc. It starts as soon as the power does (second video shows) and only stops if there's a load on the CPU. So, the only thing I'm left with is the motherboard? Or the CPU? That seems unlikely as gently caress for some reason, and afaik it won't even boot without it in there I'm at the end of my rope here. I'll probably just order another, different motherboard from Amazon and see. Anyone of you ever experienced this? ASUS Prime B650M Corsair 6000/c30 RAM (from the compatibility list) 7800x3d https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JTueHXwMJA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsCOcDOmev4 ASUS Prime B650M Corsair 6000/c30 RAM (from the compatibility list) 7800x3d
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I think you just got unlucky with power supplies. The RMe series from Corsair isn't as bad as the CX series, but it's still a low-cost power supply made with pretty cheap components. And I don't know much about NZXT's power supplies, but if they're selling a 1200W one for just £30 more than the RM750e, then I can't imagine the component quality is very good. The RMx line from Corsair is a much safer bet when it comes to component quality and noise.
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