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hello this is a thread for esoteric conversations about political philosophy, the rule of law, political theory and other things disconnected from reality!
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Jun 10, 2021 02:23
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What is reality, really? And if we don't know what reality is, how are we to know what is connected to it or not?
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Jun 10, 2021 02:25
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here's a few posts i made as part of a derail about the rule of lawOwlspiracy posted:people are talking about the rule of law and you're talking about the categorical imperative. the rule of law doesn't preclude doing bad things (just make them legal), but respecting the rule of law is a fundamental principle of modern liberal democracies. that's distinct from the idea that laws themselves should be created in order to act morally (in part because the concept of universal moral laws no longer is particularly accepted, but thats neither here nor there) Owlspiracy posted:except this isn't true. the problem isn't states "not respecting the rule of law" its "the existing laws enable people to do immoral things under the umbrella of tenuous legality." like, the entire reason the CIA operated torture black sites overseas is because they were able to do so "legally". the entire issue with police shootings is that they are seen as legal and justified. if every police office who murdered someone was suddenly convicted and thrown in jail (which would be good!) then i can promise you police shootings would substantially decrease - which is why one of the proposed reforms is get rid of qualified immunity, which is why this doesn't happen. Owlspiracy posted:also just to add if you legitimately think that we're at a crisis point where the ends justify the means - where the democrats should ignore the rule of law to pursue their agenda because their agenda is morally correct and would benefit millions and if they fail to do so now they will never get another chance - then you should not be arguing for meaningless half-measures, you should be arguing for things like 'suspending elections', 'outlawing the republican party' and 'seizing bezos' wealth'. because once the rule of law is gone, it's gone.
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Jun 10, 2021 02:26
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Growing up I was always a bigger fan of constitutional enlightened monarchies than democracies. So this is awkward.
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Jun 10, 2021 02:26
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With all the chaos of our times the more I think it's actually not so much a bad idea to have a monarchy, even better if its a matriarchy. There's of course a whole series of more scifi circumstances I would prefer; such as some sort of Kwisatz Haderach or sufficiently powerful AI; or extraterrestrial alien beings masquerading as gods, anything at this point to put an end to chaos and to decisively solve our existential crisis. But even a more boring "street urchin claiming visions of god declaring themselves the World Sovereign" where everyone inexplicibly bent the knee and were like "Yup this is legit" would be tempting at this point.
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Jun 10, 2021 22:40
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Raenir Salazar posted:With all the chaos of our times the more I think it's actually not so much a bad idea to have a monarchy, even better if its a matriarchy. There's of course a whole series of more scifi circumstances I would prefer; such as some sort of Kwisatz Haderach or sufficiently powerful AI; or extraterrestrial alien beings masquerading as gods, anything at this point to put an end to chaos and to decisively solve our existential crisis. But even a more boring "street urchin claiming visions of god declaring themselves the World Sovereign" where everyone inexplicibly bent the knee and were like "Yup this is legit" would be tempting at this point. Political Philosophy, Theory and Discourse: We Stan The God-Emperor of Mankind
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Jun 10, 2021 23:54
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