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I feel like a system where good things are only allowed to happen if slightly more than half the people agree they should happen is inherently hosed up. Suppose a majority of the people vote for better things for themselves at the expense of the minority. You don't have to suppose because that happens all the time. Then you've got the propagandist class whose job is to invent reasons to convince you that voting in your own best interest is actually bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHIdSxs5_eQ
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i think a democracy would be worth having and we should try it
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Jun 22, 2021 00:49
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yeah gonna go w/yes op
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Jun 22, 2021 00:51
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Not really OP
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Jun 22, 2021 00:53
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I just want a guaranteed quality of life for everyone and no modern democracy has even come close to achieving that nor does it appear to be even a goal
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Jun 22, 2021 00:54
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no gas ban etc
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Jun 22, 2021 00:55
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Terminal autist posted:I just want a guaranteed quality of life for everyone and no modern democracy has even come close to achieving that nor does it appear to be even a goal sounds like a job for an autocrat, several of whom are famous for improving the quality of life for their subjects
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Jun 22, 2021 00:58
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every republican president elected in my lifetime hasn’t won the popular vote America’s democracy has failed as communications and influence now stretches beyond the presumed affinity attributable to geography
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Jun 22, 2021 00:58
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No because most people are idiots. Why the gently caress would you want to be ruled by a billion idiots.
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Jun 22, 2021 00:58
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I think democracy is still good just like I think communism is still good: because it's never been tried 
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Jun 22, 2021 00:58
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imho democracy needs to be strengthened, rather than given up on
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Jun 22, 2021 01:00
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liberal 'democracy' sucks. democratic governance and control over the means of production would be good, we should try it
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Jun 22, 2021 01:02
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Christ we should try any form of government that isn't created for or immediately corrupted in favor of an elite ruling class
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Jun 22, 2021 01:04
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the institutions of democracy are paradigm pillars of freedom and equality, just sometimes orange man bad and makes institutions not as good as they should be but fundamentally all democracy is the pinnacle of human achievement. national endowment for democracy is good because it's an institution of democracy meant to spread freedom and democracy and equality for all but sometimes it ends up being a little too agile in spreading freedom and freedom needs organic ground-up approach to equality
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Jun 22, 2021 01:09
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John Charity Spring posted:liberal 'democracy' sucks. democratic governance and control over the means of production would be good, we should try it mmmm, in the long term but idk if people are ready to do this without killing hundreds of millions within five years due to gross mismanagement
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Dustcat posted:sounds like a job for an premier or president or prime minister or, several of whom are famous for improving the quality of life for their subjects
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Xaris posted:all democracy is the pinnacle of human achievement. Sad, if true.
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World War Mammories posted:I think democracy is still good just like I think communism is still good: because it's never been tried
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Jun 22, 2021 01:20
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Just enjoy the farce while it lasts
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Jun 22, 2021 01:20
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If you think the system that awarded Trump the presidency is an effective mode of government to face any of multitude of crises on the horizon, lmao
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Jun 22, 2021 01:21
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Bring back Emperors
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Jun 22, 2021 01:22
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democracy is run by marketing experts the same people who sold you that toaster that's gonna break in three years the same people who are the reason my "smart" tv from a "flagship brand" can barely load youtube without crashing is it any wonder, when you read the news, and everything is like that??
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Terminal autist posted:If you think the system that awarded Trump the presidency is an effective mode of government to face any of multitude of crises on the horizon, lmao you're talking about the american electoral system, not democracy
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Terminal autist posted:If you think the system that awarded Trump the presidency is an effective mode of government to face any of multitude of crises on the horizon, lmao yeah this is why we need to get rid of capitalism
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Terminal autist posted:If you think the system that awarded Trump the presidency is an effective mode of government to face any of multitude of crises on the horizon, lmao Indeed the democratic party must be dismantled
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Jun 22, 2021 01:49
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dumbocracy
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Jun 22, 2021 01:51
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in American democracy the actions of the government have no correlation with the expressed preferences of the people governed, but a strong correlation with the material interests of the very rich. and everyone hates Congress in principle democracy is good but if it's a scam set up to run cover for oligarchical capitalist rule then it's probably worse than direct rule by oligarchs
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Jun 22, 2021 01:54
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gently caress it. Let's bring back Monarchy.
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Jun 22, 2021 01:55
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We've never really had a democracy so it might be worth a shot
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Jun 22, 2021 01:56
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democracy isn't useful without a common agreed upon set of moral principles, such as the bible.
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Jun 22, 2021 02:00
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A system of governance created by literal slave owning liberal capitalists favors the wealthy over the working poor? drat I’m shocked The 20th century illustrated how mass media (technology) politics can get people to literally vote out democracy in favor of fascism This continues in 21st century america simply by capital rebranding fascism as “property rights” and “democracy” It’s fair to say it’s always been a lovely system for various reasons hth
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Jun 22, 2021 03:41
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No
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in my high school when kids walked in the main doors they were confronted with a giant mural with a quote from diogenes on it: "the foundation of every state is the education of its youth" so I thought a lot about that while I was in school anyway democracy is good if it's socialism but if it's liberal democracy then it's literally a scam
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Jun 22, 2021 04:15
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No, now monarchy, on the other hand...
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Jun 22, 2021 04:19
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AnimeIsTrash posted:dumbocracy
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Terminal autist posted:I just want a guaranteed quality of life for everyone and no modern democracy has even come close to achieving that nor does it appear to be even a goal why doesn't somebody just invent a form of mass government that works for everybody and does all of the good things and none of the bad things???  DUHHHHH!!!!!
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Jun 22, 2021 04:28
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the greatest upliftings of national literacy, quality of life, life expectancy, and reductions of infant morality and poverty in history happened in nondemocratic nations and it isn’t particularly close, so I think democracy is silly and not worth the effort
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Jun 22, 2021 04:29
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The future is neither left nor right, it's Khmer.
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Terminal autist posted:Not really OP
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