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Elephanthead posted:No because most people are idiots. Why the gently caress would you want to be ruled by a billion idiots. A billion idiots or an idiot with billions Both sides
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Dustcat posted:you're talking about the american electoral system, not democracy Dustcat posted:imho democracy needs to be strengthened, rather than given up on lol
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if I was president boy howdy I'd have all those jokers in congress running for the hills before lunch!!!!
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I have democracy about twice a day, I snort a line of it in the morning and it keeps me level for most of the workday but I usually have the shakes by about 2:15
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Dustcat posted:i think a democracy would be worth having and we should try it unless you tack on a "representative" before "democracy" in that case throw it out the door, piss on it, and do better. doing some performative thing every 4/5/6 years isnt democracy its just roleplaying.
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You can either go with electoralism or start to build paralell institutions. I've decided that voting is passe.
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"The politicians play with power. The soldiers, as seen at Amritsar, are absorbed in speculative enterprise. They preach democracy yet make no efforts to protect it. Even its people have relinquished politics to fewer and fewer hands, and have stopped trying to shape the state altogether. The collapse of a despotic government is the sin of its rulers and senior statesmen... but the collapse of a democracy rests on the shoulders of every citizen. Although you’ve had any number of chances to run from your seats of power legitimately, you’ve chosen to abandon your authority and responsibility by selling yourselves over to a rotten politician.” “It’s not the democratic government system that’s wrong. The problem is that the system has become dissociated from the very spirit that holds it up. For now, the existence of our public facade barely forestalls the degeneration of its true intentions. I wonder how long we’ll hold out.”
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Jun 22, 2021 07:02
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It would be nice if we had one. But we don't.
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Jun 22, 2021 07:20
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USSR style democracy is good yes. The liberal "democracy" that is wanked on about all the time is bad and has fail aids
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i believe you need to make a fundamental decision: what is better, optimal outcomes or everyone having a say
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Wheeee posted:i believe you need to make a fundamental decision: Considering that people like those in d&d exist, gently caress having a say
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Obviously a benevolent dictatorship is the ultimate form of government. But as previously discussed in the thread, humans are idiots. So the only logical conclusion is to have society run by a benevolent dictator A.I. I guess a human will have to program the first A.I. so it's not perfect but it does open the door to some kind of cool terminator situation.
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tiberion02 posted:"The politicians play with power. The soldiers, as seen at Amritsar, are absorbed in speculative enterprise. They preach democracy yet make no efforts to protect it. Even its people have relinquished politics to fewer and fewer hands, and have stopped trying to shape the state altogether. The collapse of a despotic government is the sin of its rulers and senior statesmen... but the collapse of a democracy rests on the shoulders of every citizen. Although you’ve had any number of chances to run from your seats of power legitimately, you’ve chosen to abandon your authority and responsibility by selling yourselves over to a rotten politician.” Who is that? Bhindranwale?
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I'll get back to you on whether it's worth it when there's a meaningfully democratic society to analyze. just because we get to vote on which ruler gets to be top dog doesn't mean we get to choose anything besides bourgeoisie dominion, and if you were educating yourself you wouldn't have even floated this non-question in the first place.
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Jun 22, 2021 13:33
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John Charity Spring posted:liberal 'democracy' sucks. democratic governance and control over the means of production would be good, we should try it
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Jun 22, 2021 13:35
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Terminal autist posted:If you think the system that awarded Trump the presidency is an effective mode of government to face any of multitude of crises on the horizon, lmao
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Re: OP No. Let all the election level arguments be done behind closed doors in an office setting, most of it is hyped up poo poo anyways and the public should stop caring about it Also federalism is even worse than democracy , get rid of both
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Jun 22, 2021 13:37
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if you think the US is a democracy, then lol, imho
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Jun 22, 2021 13:55
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real capitalism has never been tried yet
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i dunno op maybe we ought to put it to a vote
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Jun 22, 2021 14:39
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the lmao democracy
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Jun 22, 2021 14:42
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Democracy was inverted by pedos in Athans. No thank you
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Jun 22, 2021 14:50
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indigi posted:real capitalism has never been tried yet This man speaks the truth
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ToxicAcne posted:Who is that? Bhindranwale? Alexandre Bewcock, a BAMF from a dumb (amazing) space anime  "In every time, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same." tiberion02 has issued a correction as of 15:31 on Jun 22, 2021 |
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It's coming through a hole in the air From those nights in Tiananmen Square It's coming from the feel That this ain't exactly real Or it's real, but it ain't exactly there From the war against disorder From the sirens night and day From the fires of the homeless From the ashes of the gay Democracy is coming to the USA It's coming through a crack in the wall On a visionary flood of alcohol From the staggering account Of the Sermon on the Mount Which I don't pretend to understand at all It's coming from the silence On the dock of the bay From the brave, the bold, the battered Heart of Chevrolet Democracy is coming to the USA It's coming from the sorrow in the street The holy places where the races meet From the homicidal bitchin' That goes down in every kitchen To determine who will serve and who will eat From the wells of disappointment Where the women kneel to pray For the grace of God in the desert here And the desert far away Democracy is coming to the USA Sail on, sail on O mighty ship of state To the shores of need Past the reefs of greed Through the squalls of hate Sail on, sail on, sail on, sail on It's coming to America first The cradle of the best and of the worst It's here they got the range And the machinery for change And it's here they got the spiritual thirst It's here the family's broken And it's here the lonely say That the heart has got to open In a fundamental way Democracy is coming to the USA It's coming from the women and the men Oh baby, we'll be making love again We'll be going down so deep The river's going to weep And the mountain's going to shout, "Amen" It's coming like the tidal flood Beneath the lunar sway Imperial, mysterious In amorous array Democracy is coming to the USA Sail on, sail on O mighty ship of state To the shores of need Past the reefs of greed Through the squalls of hate Sail on, sail on, sail on, sail on I'm sentimental, if you know what I mean I love the country but I can't stand the scene And I'm neither left or right I'm just staying home tonight Getting lost in that hopeless little screen But I'm stubborn as those garbage bags That time cannot decay I'm junk but I'm still holding up this little wild bouquet Democracy is coming to the USA To the USA
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World War Mammories posted:I think democracy is still good just like I think communism is still good: because it's never been tried John Charity Spring posted:liberal 'democracy' sucks. democratic governance and control over the means of production would be good, we should try it
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spacemang_spliff posted:the imagine thinking the head spook of the bush crime family was the least harmful president in your lifetime lmao
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i love democracy
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Salacious Spy posted:imagine thinking the head spook of the bush crime family was the least harmful president in your lifetime lmao who was better? Trump? surely not Clinton W or Obama
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indigi posted:who was better? Trump? surely not Clinton W or Obama President Bernie Sanders, who won in 2016 and made america so drat good. thank you bernie.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8TM_XSfqi0
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democracy is the biggest scam the ruling class ever pulled off on the workers. it makes us feel like we have a say in government so we get complacent and don’t do revolutions
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[thinking harder than I've ever thought before] the filthy chuds directly elected president trump. this proves democracy is bad
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The more I study the issue the more it becomes clear that Vietnam and Cuba are the only truly democratic states that exist.
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The future is hard Maoism Third Worldism
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death to america imo
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thatfatkid posted:USSR style democracy is good yes. What's USSR style democracy?
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