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People in Indonesia are wanting their government to try and buy unwanted AZ from us, so there is a place we could send whatever we produce in the future to, in addition to the pacific island countries we already have agreements with. But I guess Morrison wouldn't love the optics of sending a large amount overseas while Australians remain unvaccinated either. https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/we-are-in-need-of-vaccines-indonesians-eye-australia-s-unwanted-astrazeneca-20210701-p58610.html quote:Dr Erlina Burhan, the spokeswoman for COVID-19 from the Indonesian Medical Association, said Indonesia’s health ministry and state-owned vaccine producer PT Bio Farma should procure any unwanted doses from the 50 million being produced by Australian biotech company CSL.
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# ¿ Jul 3, 2021 06:12 |
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# ¿ May 9, 2024 17:07 |
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I can't believe that telephoto lens photos of people outside was still enough to convince people that it's a nothing lockdown, it's just permanently April 2020 in Auspol I guess. If you look at the recent google mobility data you'll see -33% for retail and recreation spaces, -18% for parks, -62% for public transport and -35% for workplaces, that's for all of NSW and many places aren't in lockdown. There's been so many photos of people outside at Bondi floating around, but the Waverley council area is -50% in all areas except supermarkets which are -30%. This sort of lockdown seems to have restricted mobility and didn't involve human rights violations by locking people in public housing towers on short notice and never apologising for it.
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# ¿ Jul 7, 2021 04:32 |
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Tommunist posted:Hrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Isn't the conclusion what I posted? Considering I was never comparing which lockdown was the most lockdown, I was just stating that it's disingenuous to refer to it as a 'mockdown' when there has clearly been a decrease in all areas. Grocery shopping was well above baseline pre-lockdown, and is now at baseline levels. For example, pre lockdown Bankstown was +40% compared to Baseline and is now +15%. The drop would be even bigger if the lockdown was state wide, but it isn't and hopefully won't need to be.
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# ¿ Jul 7, 2021 12:16 |
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freebooter posted:Someone on twitter was seriously arguing that "nowhere in the world" has managed to deal with a Delta outbreak despite that fact that Melbourne and Perth both dealt with Sydney's loving spillover by swiftly going into lockdown Everyone here loves to refer to Sydney's spillover, keep in mind at many points in this pandemic, 50% of returned travellers in NSW hotel quarantine have been people travelling onto other states after returning internationally without anybody in NSW complaining about the Labor premiers abandoning returning Australians. Perhaps NSW quarantine would have never had any leaks at all had Labor premiers been willing to do their job and help reunite Australians with their families, without inventing imaginary evil migrant holidaymaker narratives. Those outbreaks in Melbourne and Perth didn't involve hairdressers that worked at a salon where 900 clients were potentially exposed. The first limo driver case in this outbreak was reported on the the 16th, the problems with the Double Bay Salon began on the 15th and were unknown until the 24th, at which point restrictions immediately began to tighten. Unless NSW was supposed to lockdown before any cases were reported, the situation is not remotely comparable to the small number of cases Victoria and Perth had to deal with. It does seem like a valid point that right now Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, South Korea, Malaysia, Fiji etc are experiencing record numbers of cases despite having handled the situation well up to now. It's almost like this is a more infectious variant that is harder to deal with, which results in more unknown spread earlier on. And NSW is still better positioned than most other places that are handling a Delta outbreak right now.
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# ¿ Jul 10, 2021 06:10 |
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On the topic of ruined plans, it's a shame 18,000 Australians had their plans to return to Australia this year ruined because Victoria, Queensland and WA made a push for the arrival cap to be slashed. Still amazes me that Australians continue to have zero sympathy for anybody that happened to be overseas at the time this began. https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ox=1626226978-1 quote:Six international flights that were supposed to be carrying Australians home will arrive at Sydney Airport completely empty of passengers today with new, halved flight caps coming into effect. Also remember how this NSW outbreak started because of a guy that drove the crew from a freight plane? quote:The number of freight-only flights, or completely passenger-less flights today has increased to 16 compared to 11 last week meaning they now outnumber those carrying Australians.
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# ¿ Jul 14, 2021 06:46 |
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Laserface posted:we want to simultaneously skirt the laws while also throwing the loving book at anyone who breaks them. most of the cases of wanting throw the book at people who break covid rules involve people that aren't white so it sounds more like a fygm, racist, cop loving, snitch culture
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# ¿ Jul 16, 2021 09:06 |
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Story is a few days old but it's weird that all these non-citizens came into the country, brought covid with them and nobody cared https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavirus/us-soldiers-in-nt-declared-close-contacts-c-3399336.amp quote:A planeload of US military personnel in the Northern Territory have been declared close contacts after a fellow passenger tested positive for COVID-19. Pretty cool that Queensland was demanding that arrival caps be cut while making space for foreign troops to quarantine in Brisbane hotels.
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# ¿ Jul 17, 2021 01:58 |
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Tommunist posted:You seem very mad about this one particular issue. Yes I am mad about everything relating to border issues because I have a sick grandparent overseas and a partner I haven't seen in 18 months and have no loving idea when I will see either of them, that partner also has 8 cases of covid in her immediate family that live right nextdoor and I'm trapped in this loving place forever because scotty didn't buy enough loving vaccines. It's cool that everyone in this thread has been able to live a happy normal life most of the time, it'd be even better if Australians could have their happy normal lives while actually having any empathy whatsoever for people separated from their loved ones. Centusin fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Jul 17, 2021 |
# ¿ Jul 17, 2021 03:13 |
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Tommunist posted:Why do you constantly make angry posts about qld then? I've made 2-3 posts on that issue, my only issues with the QLD, WA and VIC premiers are that they have consistently been at the frontline of wanting to decrease the cap on arrivals, the WA premier going so far to attack individuals travelling to see family members, without even considering how difficult it can be mentally to go so long without seeing them. My issue with Queensland comes from the "holiday-maker" narrative the premier pushed which was thoroughly disproven, but everybody just took as gospel. Literally the only reason I defend Gladys at all is because she has consistently emphasised that it's important to continue to reunite families, while most other premiers in the country have completely ignored people in my position. My posts have been angrier lately just because I've been stressed as gently caress about all the covid positive people I currently know in a country with an overwhelmed healthcare system.
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# ¿ Jul 17, 2021 03:35 |
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It’s very dumb that we have a delta outbreak, a mountain of AZ nobody wants but apparently we can’t use that and instead need to talk about redirecting Pfizer. Based on the current numbers if you vaccinated all of SW and W sydney like 3 people might get blood clots? Just start a campaign encouraging everyone in the area to get an AZ shot, and Pfizer can remain the preferred option for young people in other states.
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# ¿ Jul 23, 2021 05:03 |
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:its transparently about juicing the fully vaccinated number asap regardless of how much protection it actually provides. the same rules lawyering way theyve approached the entire pandemic It's actually completely in line with the latest ATAGI advice https://www.health.gov.au/news/atagi-statement-on-use-of-covid-19-vaccines-in-an-outbreak-setting quote:In the context of a COVID-19 outbreak where the supply of Comirnaty (Pfizer) is constrained, adults younger than 60 years old who do not have immediate access to Comirnaty (Pfizer) should re-assess the benefits to them and their contacts from being vaccinated with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, versus the rare risk of a serious side effect. Anyway the AMA are saying basically what I said https://www.theguardian.com/austral...obox=1627018277 quote:The president of the Australian Medical Association, Dr Omar Khorshid, says it is unlikely lockdown measures can contain the Delta outbreak in New South Wales and has urged the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (Atagi) to recommend the AstraZeneca vaccine for more age groups.
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# ¿ Jul 23, 2021 07:08 |
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Periphery posted:Lockdown measures seem to be working in Vic so maybe NSW should stop half arsing it like the pack of spineless neo-liberal fuckwits that they are. People in the LGA areas with the most new cases are currently unable to travel outside of their area other than for essential work, there is also an increased police presence in those areas, not sure they be locked down any harder. These are also diverse areas with lots of people in either essential or insecure work. Compliance isn't the issue, the majority of transmission is occuring in workplaces, households, supermarkets and pharmacies. Like, they hosed it up at first and I'm happy to admit I was wrong defending it back then, but there aren't any more restrictions to add that would help based on the data that's been released. The high case numbers in disadvantaged areas thing happened in Vic too, and the solution here is likely similar to there, pay people to isolate after a test if they will lose income, bi-cultural communicators on the ground, and working with essential employers to ensure that workplaces are as covid safe as possible. But there's no guarantee it will work at this point because of the more infectious variant. We hosed it up by letting it get this bad before locking down and it may be 100% correct that vaccines are the only way out at this point. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/a-city-divided-covid-19-finds-a-weakness-in-melbourne-s-social-fault-lines-20200807-p55ji2.html quote:Melbourne is a city divided. Of its five most disadvantaged municipalities, four of them have the most active COVID-19 cases. The fifth disadvantaged area is Dandenong, where the Spotless laundry is. In Brimbank, in Melbourne's west the number of active cases is in excess of 800 - that's more than 10 times the level of Boroondara in the leafy inner east.
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# ¿ Jul 23, 2021 07:49 |
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Resident Idiot posted:So, another four weeks for NSW. I wonder if they'll take it seriously this time? Who isn't taking it seriously? The people working essential jobs locked into their LGA's or the government that locked them in there and implemented a 10km limit for everyone else? Everything non-essential is closed, outdoor masks are pointless because there are no cases of outdoor transmission, a curfew doesn't stop essential workers going to work and that and households is where the transmission is happening based off of every single statement and piece of data released. It's all about giving people better financial support, better communications and doing whatever they can to reduce risk in essential workplaces at this point.
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# ¿ Jul 27, 2021 14:56 |
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i mean i hate scomo as much as everyone else but this is 100% correct, AZ is a great vaccine but some Labor people and the media have been treating it like a vial of poison, probably contributing to hesitancy among older people. Everyone needs to be more like Bill. https://twitter.com/billshortenmp/status/1422405744062734336?s=20
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# ¿ Aug 3, 2021 06:43 |
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freebooter posted:Is this actually the case? Completely hosed if so. The most relevant metric should be: has everybody had the opportunity to receive both doses of the vaccine recommended to them? Like in the US where they've had MRNA vaccines being given away on street corners for months now. (Then the secondary metric, on top of that, should be "have we done as much as we can to convince/bribe/carrot/stick the hesitant into getting one too, to get closer to herd immunity.") I think what she's actually flagging isn't a full re-opening, she's just said if they reach 50% of the Sydney adult population getting vaccinated then it gives them 'more options' about easing restrictions at the end of August. It's unclear what that means I guess, this below seems to be the quote. It does make it seem like 1 jab will count for that 50% number though so yeah I think you're right about that stronger incentive to wait for Pfizer thing. quote:“We know that 10 million jabs gives us 80 per cent of the adult population vaccinated. By the end of August, I’d like to see New South Wales record 6 million jabs because every time we go through a milestone, 6 million jabs is roughly half the population with at least one or two doses,” she said. Then today there was one example given in relation to the no jab, no work policy they're considering quote:In a situation where a worker and customer were both vaccinated, rules could be eased by the end of the month.
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# ¿ Aug 5, 2021 07:29 |
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This is by an anonymous doctor, it's a pretty good article about the western sydney situation, it mostly hits the points everyone has been saying for a month that financial assistance is needed and better multicultural communication. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw-is-almost-certainly-on-the-precipice-of-a-massive-deterioration-20210809-p58h9w.html quote:As an experienced respiratory physician at a major western Sydney hospital, I am gravely concerned about the NSW government’s ineffective response to the Delta outbreak. As it has overseas, the pandemic is disproportionately affecting low-income migrant populations with insecure jobs.
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# ¿ Aug 10, 2021 05:11 |
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quote:The Coalition has faced growing calls to offer a special humanitarian intake for Afghan refugees, similar to what the Abbott government set up in 2015 for 12,000 Syrian and Iraqi refugees. Such a move would be in addition to Australia’s existing annual humanitarian intake. you know things are dire when you're hoping that Morrison changes his mind and does something that Abbott did
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2021 08:04 |
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BrigadierSensible posted:Something else I have noticed with the NSW Gladys press conferences is that she is constantly throwing the blame on "people who are doing the wrong thing". Also they were still blaming people today but then the deputy chief health officer said this quote:And so, one of the major drivers of the higher case numbers that we’re seeing in the areas of south-western Sydney and western Sydney is larger households that we’re seeing. They've said it before so it's not surprising but they still haven't told us if they are actually doing anything about it other than getting them vaccinated. We all know Vic had a spread in essential worker problem, and we also know that they did things that worked and told everyone about them. But NSW is just going to fine people sitting on benches for too long, talk about the number of penalties given and seemingly never address the thing that they keep saying is the actual problem.
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# ¿ Aug 19, 2021 04:04 |
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She isn’t victim blaming the unvaccinated, it’s just stating facts in order to prove that the vaccines are effective at preventing death. At the beginning people online were begging her to release info about the vaccination status of people in hospital in order to improve vaccination rates and convince the older people who were waiting for Pfizer to just go and get AZ.
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# ¿ Aug 21, 2021 06:19 |
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The NSW press release contained info about how to get your proof of vaccination on your phone or how to have it sent to you so presumably you will just have to show that to police if they ask you for it. https://twitter.com/NSWHealth/status/1430712111554985995?s=20
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# ¿ Aug 26, 2021 03:15 |
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here's an article about a citizen journalist being detained then https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-28/china-jails-citizen-journalist-four-years-over-covid19-reporting/13018106
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# ¿ Aug 27, 2021 15:41 |
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crikey posted craig kellys number in a free article earlier so you're free to give it a go that way https://twitter.com/crikey_news/status/1432542415739625472?s=20
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# ¿ Aug 31, 2021 11:34 |
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BrigadierSensible posted:She is a horrible person who has caused a great deal of pain and death. gently caress her. still significantly less death than dan caused fwiw
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# ¿ Sep 2, 2021 03:03 |
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https://twitter.com/sarahinthesen8/status/1433965275003572225?s=20 Craig Kelly needs to get covid and die already
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# ¿ Sep 4, 2021 02:50 |
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The Artificial Kid posted:The strictest lockdown is everyone gets food parcels delivered by the government and doesn't leave their house except by ambulance until COVID stops existing. Since August 23rd Ho Chi Minh City residents aren't allowed to leave their home except for essential workers in 11 different groups, and there are police checkpoints everywhere so documents are definitely being examined. Food is being delivered by community workers and soldiers, at certain essential offices and factories workers are having to work, eat and sleep there. No real sign any of it is working yet.
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# ¿ Sep 4, 2021 12:30 |
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There's a new report out from usyd and the immunisation research and surveillance centre about covid and schools https://twitter.com/samanthamaiden/status/1435455882997891083?s=20
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# ¿ Sep 8, 2021 05:30 |
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unvaccinated covid terrorists will be running around coughing on people deliberately
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# ¿ Sep 9, 2021 06:27 |
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https://twitter.com/JamieTravers/status/1436501959058460676?s=20
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# ¿ Sep 11, 2021 02:47 |
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BrigadierSensible posted:Is she getting airlifted into the seat, or does she still have to deal with pre-selection? Tu Le will still contest pre-selection against Keneally but it's pretty much a done deal. Shoppies worked to get Deb O'Neill no 1. on the senate ticket forcing Keneally to the unwinnable number 3, and now all the NSW right will put their weight behind Keneally to run in Fowler. quote:In March 2020, Senator O'Neill forced a member of the Fair Work Commission to defend his waifus, figurines of whom he had placed in his office the anti-anime senator Centusin fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Sep 11, 2021 |
# ¿ Sep 11, 2021 07:28 |
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Regional hospitals will end up with 3 old people in the icu with covid and the whole thing will collapse
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# ¿ Sep 13, 2021 07:46 |
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I hope the public transport shutdown stuff doesn't get abused later on when people are protesting about things that are actually important
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2021 08:47 |
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Synthbuttrange posted:https://twitter.com/thebannerbright/status/1439884573249212416?s=20 I have no idea what the problem with that article is when it’s just accurately reporting what happened and clearly isn’t suggesting that the protesters were correct about the presence of a firearm
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# ¿ Sep 20, 2021 12:40 |
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CrazyTolradi posted:Burnet Institute modelling predicting a peak case load in Victoria higher than what we’ve seen in NSW so far, despite Vic locking down on day one of the outbreak, really renders the “NSW mockdown/you have to lockdown harder” as stupid as it seemed at the time. Months wasted. why are you posting osman faruqi's tweets https://twitter.com/oz_f/status/1439419495865466880?s=20
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# ¿ Sep 22, 2021 13:07 |
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The RBA was going on about immigration as the cause of lower wage growth earlier this year and there was lots of writing that migrants aren't bad for workers at all. https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2021/jul/15/blaming-migrants-for-australias-lower-wages-growth-is-easy-but-too-simplistic https://theconversation.com/top-economists-say-cutting-immigration-is-no-way-to-boost-wages-165394
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# ¿ Sep 23, 2021 07:37 |
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Abbotts first budget was a very clear plan for the country compared to anything Morrison or Turnbull did, it was just a terrible plan that everyone hated.
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# ¿ Sep 28, 2021 01:44 |
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icac is formally investigating gladys so she'll probably step down as leader and hand over the reigns to someone else now that cases are going down
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# ¿ Oct 1, 2021 03:16 |
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If I was the NSW labor leader I would have had a whole bunch of tweets and social media posts ready to go when gladdy stepped down, Chris Minns is too good for that though and has chosen silence instead
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# ¿ Oct 1, 2021 04:45 |
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BrigadierSensible posted:https://www.theage.com.au/national/a-deep-sense-of-loss-gladys-berejiklian-worked-her-way-into-people-s-hearts-20211001-p58wix.html#comments At least an article like that from a former Liberal party leader is expected but I have no idea what's going on here https://twitter.com/SBSNews/status/1444099539862843393?s=20
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# ¿ Oct 2, 2021 01:45 |
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Countries have had looser border restrictions than Australia and not ended up like the US. Most places still allowed their citizens to return home and they even used hotel quarantine to do it safely. Coming back into Australia should actually be the guaranteed right though. If you are only an Australian citizen then this is the 1 place on earth you are guaranteed the right to live/work etc. The religion & ethics part of ABC did a thing on it https://www.abc.net.au/religion/is-australias-india-travel-ban-legal-moral-just/13335360 quote:The idea that a citizen has a fundamental right to return freely to their country has deep historical roots. Under common law, this stems from the Magna Carta. It is also an important principle of international law, enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. Centusin fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Oct 2, 2021 |
# ¿ Oct 2, 2021 04:04 |
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# ¿ May 9, 2024 17:07 |
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The positive is that all those people won't ever consider moving to our much better country at least
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# ¿ Oct 5, 2021 04:36 |