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Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


The Artificial Kid posted:

Yeah imagine if every country on earth had just done a proper 6 week lockdown like we did. Literally no more COVID.

Unfortunately there are big chunks of the world where that couldn't happen for practical reasons even if there was political will for it.

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Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Pwnstar posted:

My fave is getting sent home for coughing too much and then getting in trouble for not having a doctors certificate to make that a valid sick day.

When I worked as a croupier at the casino 15 years ago, they had rules requiring a doctors certificate for taking a shift off sick if it was either side of a weekend. I was working night shift at the time, work up in the afternoon and was feeling really rough, including needing to sneeze every minute or two.

gently caress finding a clinic to go to late in the day and spreading my germs everywhere just for them to confirm I had a cold and then having to pay for it. I just went into work instead, and once on the table informed the supervisor I needed the box of tissues left next to my table.

After about half an hour and half a box of tissues they decided I actually didn't need the certificate to have the night off. Cost me less time than going to the doctor.

Konomex posted:

One of my first workplaces would shuffle staff to cover you for a sick day, so we didn't actually need to take sick days half the time. My last workplace demanded a full on doctors note for a sick day, gently caress resting up, go spread those germs. My current workplace, after COVID, is a lot happier to just wave their hands and accept me at my word that I'm sick.

Meanwhile in work-labor relations policy, Iceland has moved 86% of their workforce to either actively working 4 days a week, or eligible to work 4 days a week. Happiness and productivity are up. How do we make this a reality in Australia? ABC news article.

My workplace moved to 4 day weeks and they are amazing. Do recommend.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Megillah Gorilla posted:

I've been doing 9½ hour/4 day weeks for the last couple years now and it still feels like a holiday every week.

I literally cannot overstate the benefit to my mental wellbeing from having three days in a row.

I try to do a 9 hour day, and even then it feels like the week flies by.

Saturday's are still the same as ever, Sunday is like a repeat Saturday without the time pressure of work the next day, and Monday is like a Sunday except by the end of it I'm genuinely just relaxed and ready to go back to work.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


freebooter posted:

Sydney extending the lockdown by another week after Perth and Brisbane and Darwin have exited theirs, I'm sure this will cause a re-examination of the "you should avoid lockdown until it's absolutely unavoidable" mentality in Sydneysiders

It's more that there seems to be a real disagreement on what counts as "last resort".

Most of Australia is treating cases out in the community where all the tracing isn't currently known as being when you're at that point. NSW decided to gamble that they would be able to trace everything and lost that dice roll.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


I really hope Sydney can get on top of this, but if they don't/won't then it's gonna be a long few isolated months. After the rest of the country has done hard lockdowns to get into places where there is no community transmission we aren't going to give up the gains just because Gladys thinks NSW is special.

At least until we have widespread vaccination. Once that's done we will have to accept there are always going to be some community cases unfortunately, but at least it will be semi-controlled.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Launchpad McQuack posted:

"2 weeks to flatten the curve and give our hospitals a chance to get ready."

Remember that. Then I couldnt work for months and almost lost my house.

I don't know how we got here but we have gotten to the point where anyone getting sick in a pandemic is totally unacceptable from a political point of view.

This is going to go on for years over here while the rest of the world.has moved on isn't it?

Do you remember what happened after that in most of the rest of the world? Where countries flattened their curves and then had cases explode with the result of people not being able to work for months and thousands of people dying?

Like please, point to the country that without heavy restrictions has managed to avoid Covid ripping through their population.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Chadzok posted:

Sounds like they might expand the business grants to under $75k. Thank gently caress, because I'm sitting here at home watching case numbers go up in the busiest time of my year, making absolutely zero income.

I don't understand why they can't just turn JobKeeper into "Lockdowm Payment" (they should have done for Melbourne, but, you know, now it's affecting me) but I knew that the comprehensive covid rescue back in 2020 was directly a result of their own pants-making GBS threads fear and not out of actual concern for living humans.

They didn't keep JobKeeper because Morrison really doesn't want states to lock down. Simple as that.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


https://twitter.com/sunriseon7/status/1407811572328660992?s=20

https://twitter.com/ScottMorrisonMP/status/1408685774795513857?s=20

https://twitter.com/NSWHealth/status/1412939556286963713?s=20

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


alf_pogs posted:

i hate seeing number go up, but seeing morrison eat a poo poo sandwich for his awful messaging is almost worth it

Nah. I can't stand his smug lovely face, but I would rather he was doing a good job.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Eediot Jedi posted:

I dunno why the Vic libs are historically hated but last election they were big on ROAD. Just love that road.

E: road, CFA vs fire brigade, """traditional""" values

Conservative governments love roads because they let them do economic stimulus and infrastructure spending in a way that still let's all the people use it feel like rugged individuals that don't need no help from anyone.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Eediot Jedi posted:

I was being dumb but I was referring to East-West link. Libs love that road so much they signed a deal two months before the election with hefty cancellation penalties.

Yeah, see above.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Recoome posted:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-13/sydney-covid-lockdown-1-billion-week-economic-cost/100287426

How much could 50 million doses of Pfizer cost, Michael? Seven billion dollars???

Thank God that Morrison encouraged them to hold off on locking down, imagine how much just a week or two would of cost!

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Laserface posted:

no.

hes a piece of poo poo and hes a murdoch mouth piece. dig the kid up and kill it again.

e: yall wasting energy feeling sorry for someone who is doing whatever it takes to the make the country a more miserable place. sometimes its OK to give it back.

We're not feeling sorry for him, we're feeling sorry for you being stuck in teen edgelord mode.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


NSW extended for 2 weeks.

How good is not putting lockdowns in place until you need to as a last resort.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Konomex posted:

It's Frydenberg, he's the one whose tired of the whingeing. He doesn't like people insinuating that he should be doing his stupid loving job.

gently caress this government. Officially worse than the Abbott or Howard government? Hard to tell, but maybe.

More incompetent absolutely, although we probably are lucky that Abbott wasn't PM when Covid first hit, because I imagine he would have gone with a more Trump/Johnson style response.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


In more light-hearted events:

https://twitter.com/TurnbullMalcolm/status/1414860872564969472?s=20

https://twitter.com/TurnbullMalcolm/status/1414861814823751680?s=20

https://twitter.com/chaser/status/1415157129288114179?s=20

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


alf_pogs posted:

lol Kevin has to be one buck more than Malcolm

the weird post-pm friendship these two seem to have going on is both vaguely endearing and also kind of sickening

In parliament they must have had a pretty decent working relationship, given that when Rudd was PM for the first time Turnbull was willing to work with him on handing emissions.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Seemlar posted:

Platforming and normalizing that poo poo is a thing Seven consistently does

Seven resurrected the political career of Pauline Hanson, they loving suck.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


I really hope someone runs election ads which are just Scott Morrison talking about how good it is that Sydney is resisting calls to lock down, followed by the news reports a few days later of the outbreak spreading around the country.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Eediot Jedi posted:

SA lockdown from 6pm tonight. Vic extended another week. :itwasgladys:

Gladys and Morrison can get in the loving bin.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Eediot Jedi posted:

Scott this is not what Dan meant when he said treat covid like a fire that's not out.

Not empty quoting.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


In brighter news, Porter and his barrister are likely going to have to pay ~$500,000 in court costs over his defamation case.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...fees-to-jo-dyer

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


They aren't going to go to an election before lots of people have been vaccinated, because there's too much chance of their being lockdowns happening during the election campaign which could massively burn them.

I think they'll push it right to May next year, hoping that international borders are being re-opened by then and they can make some very optimistic predictions of how Australia is poised to do really well based off their management of the country.

It will end up being a close election, because the Australian electorate falls for it every time.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


A Labor win is always one election away.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


freebooter posted:

Since the pandemic had proven that in terms of politics people only care about what's happened in the last ten minutes, the Liberals will probably shoot back up in the polls once everybody's vaccinated and can go to Bali again around New Year's.

The reaction to borders reopening is hard to predict.

Once borders open we will have Covid in the community permanently. With as many people as possible vaccinated we're probably looking at flu numbers of infected and dead each year. That seems inevitable at this point, but Australians have got used (outbreaks aside) to not having it spreading uncontrolled. We'll eventually accept it because it will become the norm, but initially it will be a massive increase, in contrast to much of the world where it "just" being as bad as strong flu years is a massive improvement to the situation they have faced over the last 18 months.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


I hate the Liberals, but I'm still amazed that our SA Liberal government has effectively said gently caress off to the Morrison/Gladys strategy and openly talks about how it's better to lock down quickly and early to get on top of things and spend less time overall restricted.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Konomex posted:

He was in charge when they choose the vaccine that disproportionately benefitted one of his cabinet members, he was in charge when they picked the people who'd run the rollout, he was in charge when they discovered the alarming clotting side effect, he was in charge when they encouraged people to get it anyway (and did so himself), he was in charge when people started dying. But he doesn't hold the vaccine?

This is some reverse 'I was just following orders' horse poo poo. If the concentration camp guard wasn't responsible, and Hitler wasn't responsible... who the gently caress was responsible?

Yeah but didn't you see? Last year everyone was thinking Pfizer would be hard to deal with because of needing low temperature, and at the time they didn't know AZ could have side effects and what were they meant to do, buy vaccine that could have possibly not been used?

The way he makes excuses, the weasel.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


It's a national emergency now because they rolled the dice on not locking down NSW with the rest of the country placed as a wager.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Animal Friend posted:

so basically Berejiklian hosed around and found out... and now says the Federal government has to fix poo poo.

I mean if this is what gets the federal government to actually... do something? Then fine. Fine.

And now NSW is trying to persuade the other states we should give up some of our vaccines to NSW.

A great plan if it had come a few weeks ago accompanied by an early lockdown to ensure the outbreak didn't spread, but there's no loving chance any premier is going to get their states to be on board with the idea when they are now facing down the barrel as well.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Watching the Tokyo Olympics opening, and hoping Australia has some good things in the next decade to show off.

Opening ceremonies usually celebrate a host country, and when they have previously hosted look at how they have grown since the last time.

We're 2/3 of the way from Sydney 2000 to Brisbane 2032, and I can't think up to now of anything you'd point to since then.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Animal Friend posted:

Feds announce 85 million more doses of Pfizer to be delivered in 2022 and 2023

Looked at an article about it and this actually seems like good forward planning for once. Talking about how it wasn't yet known if regular booster shots would be required but they are buying as if assumption is they will be to be safe.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Laserface posted:

just crossposting from the gbs thread:

someone was infectious in my office, on a different floor/dept of the building, for 2 weeks. I was in the office on 2 separate occasions.

we got told last week, on thursday.
I went and got tested friday.
I got a negative result saturday.
today, HR emailed to say that nsw health had given the office the all clear with a list of close contacts being anyone on the same floor as the person, and casual contact as anyone in the building. again, NSW healths own directives given to our HR.


it was only TODAY that 'gold standard' contract tracers called me to inform me i was a 'close contact'. they were asking me to tell them what day I was in the office even though i checked in with the nsw service app. they also didnt know how to spell the nsw health email address, or even how to structure an email address when telling someone over the phone what it is, nor did they have any idea about the email/info HR had already given us which was from nsw health.

Apparently i cannot leave my house now, for any reason. I will be randomly checked on via facetime and if i dont answer, cops will be sent to my house.


I went to several different shops over the weekend so good job on getting in touch with all those 'close contacts' to tell them to isolate for 14 days.


no wonder this poo poo is out of control.

Shithouse situation, but can't really blame those individuals, it's likely they are from random areas who have been roped in to assist with less worrying contacts since the system must be incredibly overwhelmed at this point. Even with a handful of cases the multiple layers of contacts are a nightmare, dealing with dozens each day would be nigh on impossible.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


birdstrike posted:

that’s basically the one thing from Bill they haven’t jettisoned

Anti-corruption is one of the big things that I reckon Labor is going to hit hard as part of the election campaign, and given their history during the better part of a decade they've been in government (Jesus loving Christ that hurts to write) it's something that the Coalition is going to find it hard to push too hard against.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Synthbuttrange posted:

Melb Lockdown's ending on wed if there's no nasty surprises.

might just poo poo myself in celebration

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Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


freebooter posted:

Something that drives me up the wall is that quick lockdown vs playing chicken has come to be characterised as a Melbourne vs Sydney thing, when in fact it's every other state and territory that has agreed that quick lockdowns are the least bad strategy, and only New South Wales which likes to let the fire burn a little longer to see whether it will get out of control or not.

That's just really in media and commentary from people in Melb/Sydney. In the rest of the country it's definitely seen as a Gladys vs Everyone Else thing.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


bell jar posted:

Why would Labor be anti-corruption? :confused:

They've been out of power for long enough that they have a lot less scary skeletons in the closet.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Update that vaccination is now in fact a race.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


So just to be clear, NSW was just a couple of weeks ago asking other states for their vaccines and is getting more of them now, but is also saying they'll ease up restrictions despite widespread cases once they reach vaccination targets for their state, inevitably leading to vases in the rest of the country?

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


I hope every other state has made it very clear that if they do so the walls are up until we are all vaccinated.

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Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Donut day for Victoria, joining the "actually you can get on top of Delta so long as you go hard and early" club.

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