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91 | 28.44% |
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133 | 41.56% |
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59 | 18.44% |
| Bernie |
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37 | 11.56% |
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This thread is supposed to be about voting. Please move the climate talk to the climate thread.
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Discendo Vox posted:Your claim is contradicted by the slate article you posted a tweet of without contextualizing or reading. Did you read the article? It doesn't contradict VitalSigns' point at all. She supported and, more importantly, promoted fracking up until she had to try to give a mealy-mouthed conditional "denunciation" in an attempt to not get outflanked by Sanders. Her damage had already been caused well before 2016. Honestly, did you read beyond the full title?
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Sep 23, 2021 21:47
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:There are more ways for the United States to do harm to non-Americans than just using military power. Four years of going backwards on climate change is going to ultimately be far more destructive to vastly more people than any imaginary wars you think Clinton would have engaged in. I'm happy you brought it up, because this is a great example of why voting doesn't matter. You can't vote your way out of climate change. Obama committed the US to the Paris Agreement, while at the same time presiding over a massive expansion of fracking and natural gas extraction (he bragged about it as late as 2018, so you can't even say he did so reluctantly). Trump withdrew the US from the agreement, and signed a bunch of new drilling permits. Biden had the US rejoin the agreement, but he's still allowing new drilling to go ahead. On climate change, voting has not mattered, because both parties are flooring it off the cliff. Regarding Clinton, the last quarter century of her advocating for foreign interventions I feel supports my guess that she'd probably be bad on foreign policy. Does she have a strong record on climate change that would justify what you're saying?
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Sep 23, 2021 23:10
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Discendo Vox posted:Your claim is contradicted by the slate article you posted a tweet of without contextualizing or reading. Even the most strongly phrased of the articles cited in that article, the Mother Jones piece, does not actually attribute this sort of intention to Clinton unless you exclusively read the title and dropped into a fugue staring at the cover image. The Mother Jones article posted:Clinton urged Bulgarian officials to give fracking another chance It sure seems like the article is saying that Clinton helped spread fracking around the world. Or are you not objecting to the statement that she helped spread fracking, but only that it was not her intention?
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Sep 23, 2021 23:20
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How are her intentions relevant. Fracking does what fracking does regardless of her intent, if she only sold fracking to the world because she thought it would release Jesus to take us all to heaven, that doesn't change the actual reality of the damage it's doing.
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