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tango alpha delta posted:lol, this is how you say "I've never developed for a console before." ok mr super nintendo e: The cool tricks you're talking about are what modern game development is doing away with for better or for worse. Vic fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Mar 24, 2024 |
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Papercut posted:Nah, electrical bus bars have been a thing/term since the 1800s. It's short for omnibus. And the reason why computers use the "bus" term is because in the beginning it was literally a shared electrical bus (or, rather, e.g. 16 separate address buses and 8 separate data buses) that everything was connected to simultaneously and high and low voltages signified one and zero bits.
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Oop, missed this. This is true*, and I can see how a nifty trick like that can be helpful, but I really really doubt that every console game is doing this trick. I do agree with the fundamental point that targeting a specific system comes with optimizations that are not transferable across PC/Consoles. Like I don't think console ports are just a "one and done in and out ten minute adventure", at the same time I do think that a) porting to/from consoles is massively easier than it was because of shared hardware pipelines and tech, and b) a well-implemented (i.e. the devs have the time, money and care to do it right) 5th gen game should absolutely be able to hit 30 FPS on a 4th gen console with the right adjustments and accounting for increased limitations (smaller render distance, less fidelity models, etc.). I realised just now I was like mixing those two things together in my argument, so I'm sorry about that. * — I do want to specifically ask to check however that the unified ram isn't being conflated with well-timed/unified(?) read/write? Like IIRC the Steam Deck and also my T945 both have unified RAM but from memory the timings for read are different from write speed?
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alexandriao posted:with the right adjustments and accounting for increased limitations (smaller render distance, less fidelity models, etc.). This is a big undertaking in and of itself. You're talking about rebuilding assets to be simpler. That's not a trivial task. In a lot of ways you're fundamentally re-making the game. Yeah, it can be done. Some absolutely wonderful insane people made a N64 version of Portal just to show that they could. But it's not as simple as cranking a bunch of sliders all the way to the left. I also think you're really underestimating how much generational change there is between consoles. Just to start with, the PS4 has half the RAM that the PS5 does. You can degrade the graphics and the models all you want, but eventually you just run up against hard limitations. IIRC system RAM was the specific thing that made the PS4 version of Cyberpunk so notoriously poo poo.
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Why do consoles always have do little ram. Good ram seems so cheap. And yeah I guess if you plan to ship at least 50 million units cutting on RAM saves a hell of a lot over the long run. But just gimme the ram
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The PS4 specifically had its RAM bumped up from initial specs before announcement because they found out the Xbox One was going to have 8gb if I remember right. Remember that was still the era of 3-4gb VRAM GPUs.
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My kids is 16 GB as a base and I was going to upgrade it to 32 but then I saw how incredibly cheap RAM was so I bumped it to 64
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The PS4’s 8GB of GDDR5 had an estimated BOM cost around $90, which is about a quarter of the total BOM. Adding a meaningful amount to it would hurt a lot, given that they were making about $20/unit (just on manufacturing, so ex of marketing or the actual R&D costs) at launch. For comparison, the Titan that shipped in 2013 had 6GB of GDDR5, with an MSRP of $999.
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*doesnt read anything from the walls of text from the last few pages* *takes a huge rip from my decks vent*
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John DiFool posted:*doesnt read anything from the walls of text from the last few pages* Crank That starts playing
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John DiFool posted:*doesnt read anything from the walls of text from the last few pages* *Wildly gesticulates towards the above post*
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I once bombed an interview question by not knowing the slightest about how console caching of arrays was optimized, and how it was critical to leverage that optimization versus more complex data structures typically found when developing for PC hardware. The company in question had just performed a port that required a ton of tricks to do just that. Anyways yea I don't think it's lazy devs pushing a sloppy release but ymmv
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I bombed the same question which was weird because I was interviewing for county comptroller
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Subjunctive posted:The PS4’s 8GB of GDDR5 had an estimated BOM cost around $90, which is about a quarter of the total BOM. Adding a meaningful amount to it would hurt a lot, given that they were making about $20/unit (just on manufacturing, so ex of marketing or the actual R&D costs) at launch. god drat the ps4 had some really weird hardware. a good gpu paired with an insane ram setup, but also the weakest cpu known to man and a 5400rpm hard drive.  the PS5 being an all around beast was great. too bad AAA gaming started to loving suuuuuuuuuuck around then. Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Mar 25, 2024 |
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The hard drive was still something that made sense at the time, SSDs wouldn't become cheap enough for a while yet. The only reason Nintendo weren't using them was because they'd decided on SD cards as their expandable storage format so were using eMMC for internal storage instead. Also the Wii U still played games off discs so it wasn't as big a deal. Unless you were buying digital games at which point that 32gb filled up quick but big SD cards were getting real cheap real quick so I just slammed a 128gb card in mine and never thought about it again.
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John DiFool posted:*doesnt read anything from the walls of text from the last few pages* This
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John DiFool posted:*doesnt read anything from the walls of text from the last few pages* Ironically I've been very actively following the thread recently whereas I normally just smooth-scroll by. Atoramos posted:I once bombed an interview question by not knowing the slightest about how console caching of arrays was optimized, and how it was critical to leverage that optimization versus more complex data structures typically found when developing for PC hardware. The company in question had just performed a port that required a ton of tricks to do just that. I also tend to ask interview questions about whatever thing I was just (or am about to start) working on.
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Atoramos posted:I once bombed an interview question by not knowing the slightest about how console caching of arrays was optimized, and how it was critical to leverage that optimization versus more complex data structures typically found when developing for PC hardware. The company in question had just performed a port that required a ton of tricks to do just that. we talking about L1 / L2 cache? With arrays you're guaranteed for data to be contiguous in RAM. base address + (size of data type * index of element) = address of nth element - so a CPU is able to pre-fetch several elements of the array at once. The only thing faster is register to register operations. This is compared to using a linked list where "Crap we have a memory address... is it in cache? Ram? Paged out to disk? who knows? Let's just burn cycles figuring it out..." Anyway this sounds like a computer architecture question on stuff from ~30 years ago. e: not a game dev, not sure what would warrant that kind of optimization that couldn't be done on the GPU instead. Cyrano4747 posted:
PS5 games are meant to be constantly streaming/decompressing from SSD storage, "If it's not on screen it's not in RAM". Assets are constantly being evicted effectively making RAM just another form of cache. Which means a game isn't as constrained as a PS4 game where there's a physical drive head that zips around a platter. PS4 -> PS5 is more like "Storage was the last bottleneck. You need to rethink how EVERYTHING works if you want to produce AAA games." there's a reason why Epic acquired RAD game tools and their compression suite. Coffee Jones fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Mar 25, 2024 |
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Dragon's Dogma 2 is basically only playable on GFN's ultimate tier. And it runs really well on that! (cities a bit less well)
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jokes posted:Dragon's Dogma 2 is basically only playable on GFN's ultimate tier. And it runs really well on that! (cities a bit less well) https://youtu.be/twEERkUyAXE?si=I2Z1TqTwwfHfXXjl The TLDW a GPU test had to be turned into a CPU test because the game is doing some real weird poo poo.
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MarcusSA posted:https://youtu.be/twEERkUyAXE?si=I2Z1TqTwwfHfXXjl They also had to buy 4 copies because of Denuvo bullshit, lol.
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Coffee Jones posted:there's a reason why Epic acquired RAD game tools and their compression suite. I think Epic (and a lot of other engine players) have wanted to acquire RAD for a long time, but RAD insisted on staying independent until recently. I should ask around about why they changed their mind...
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Just realised the OLED case is actually two cases in one and you can just use the super skinny internal case if you're packing light.
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Necrothatcher posted:Just realised the OLED case is actually two cases in one and you can just use the super skinny internal case if you're packing light. yeah I only travel with the skinny case.
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Animal posted:yeah I only travel with the skinny case. same, it’s so good
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Only the 1tb model comes with the nice case. I was a little disappointed because they also added a hold for the plug so you could charge it in the case.
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Necrothatcher posted:Just realised the OLED case is actually two cases in one and you can just use the super skinny internal case if you're packing light. Only for the more expensive tiers lol. My cheapo OLED came with a fat case but I got a thin one on Amazon that works well.
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Fools Infinite posted:Only the 1tb model comes with the nice case. I was a little disappointed because they also added a hold for the plug so you could charge it in the case. They did? I have the 1 Tb and never noticed this.
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 this switch case vs the old steam deck case. One is meant to be wrapped in cardboard and be dropkicked by fedex, and one slips into the front pockets of a backpack
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Automata 10 Pack posted:charging in the case sounds like a good way to fry your system Yeah if you leave it turned on like some kind of moron instead of switching it off like a sensible person would.
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Coffee Jones posted:
Gotta say I love that they made the Deck case as robust as it is. I am a lot, lot less worried about it when going through airports and the like. Got to cram your carry on under a front seat? XRay tech tossing around luggage like they're training for a contact sport? Don't need to worry about the deck getting mushed.
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Latest game reports: I plugged through Sniper 3 and 4. Good looking games, even the now ancient Sniper 3, and both play flawlessly on the Deck. Got Mad Max super cheap and it also plays well, with maybe some rare slowdowns. Enjoying it a lot, although I can maybe understand why it didn't do well - they made a definite decision towards a simple straightforward game, without a huge repertoire of moves and inventory. It works in my opinion, but might have been out of step with the market. It does capture the flavour of Mad Max quite well.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Gotta say I love that they made the Deck case as robust as it is. I am a lot, lot less worried about it when going through airports and the like. Got to cram your carry on under a front seat? XRay tech tossing around luggage like they're training for a contact sport? Don't need to worry about the deck getting mushed. I do appreciate it for flights, but I find myself wishing I had an official slipcase version for when I'm just taking local transit
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Cross-posting from the grognard games thread, the conversation there around Silent Hunter 3 got me wondering...Does it Deck?Squiggle posted:This talk sent me down a road last night, and you know what? Still working on the control scheme, but Silent Hunter 3 works surprisingly well on the Deck. The out-the-box 1024x768 doesn't even look that wrong. It was near bedtime so all I really did was tool around shallow seas, so it could all fall apart in the thick of it. But I enjoy making control bindings for weird poo poo, so I'll keep at it and publish it when it's ready. PSA: If you make bindings, publish them for others! Steam input modability loving rules and is extremely powerful! I swear, it's the best underutilized thing about the deck. Squiggle fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Tiny Timbs posted:They did? I have the 1 Tb and never noticed this. I checked the case and there’s no hole YOU LIAR
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I'm the one who said it did, I saw it on a YouTube review. I bought the 512gb and do not have the two part case.
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