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Who will be the first to die?
Clarence Thomas
Stephen Breyer
John Roberts
Samuel Alito
Sonia Sotomayor
Elena Kagan
Neil Gorsuch
Brett Kavanaugh
Amy Coney Barret
how dare you do something so crass as fantasize about supreme court justices dying have you no decency sir
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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

mila kunis posted:

seems to me that the supreme court just makes poo poo up and uses whatever justification they can to reach the political end goal they want

shocked pikachu face

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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

i wonder if any medical associations are considering redefining pregnancies as beginning at the first missed menstrual cycle rather than the last actual menstrual cycle just to gently caress with this law

the current definition already makes no sense anyway and just confuses people also ive never understood how its supposed to work with people who have irregular menstrual cycles

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lol remember RBG officiating some wedding right before getting covid and dying

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Jose posted:

lol remember RBG officiating some wedding right before getting covid and dying

We don't know if covid was a comorbidity but I just know deep in my heart that it was, especially because it was a maskless wedding

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/drogon_dracarys/status/1433954244709736449

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011



so the reaction of the justice department to the new weird abortion law is to promise to enforce all the other non weird abortions laws that already exist that they were already enforcing thats comforting

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

that statement says nothing about the Texas law

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan
it would be kind of funny if you got sued by a private citizen for a violation of the tx law it would then allow you to counter sue them under the face act

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

hobbesmaster posted:

that statement says nothing about the Texas law

did you read the first sentence

a Loving Dog
May 12, 2001

more like a Barking Dog, woof!

hobbesmaster posted:

that statement says nothing about the Texas law

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLP58Di0jd4

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Some Guy TT posted:

a ruth bader ginsburg style cult of personality
fun fact RBG loving loved that poo poo, had mugs and posters and all kinds of kitschy "Notorious RBG" crap all over her home.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

do we have pictures

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

indigi posted:

did you read the first sentence

yes, it refers to a woman seeking an abortion. the Texas law does not involve the woman seeking an abortion, it allows people to sue companies and people that provide or facilitate abortions but very specifically does not allow them to sue the woman seeking an abortion. this is Texas’s “one weird trick”

the part where they talk about defending clinics is about property damage. not lawsuits.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

so uh, weren't people already free to sue whomever they wish? or does the new law in some way make it easier or more possible for them to actually win such a suit?

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

Spergin Morlock posted:

so uh, weren't people already free to sue whomever they wish? or does the new law in some way make it easier or more possible for them to actually win such a suit?

you need standing to win a suit, which a random person wouldn't have without this law, and filing frivolous lawsuits can lead to having to pay the defendant's lawyer fees, which this law protects the random person from

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

its such a bizarre law were in totally uncharted territory about how its even supposed to work the supreme court appears to have decided to allow it to go into effect just in the hopes that someone will bring forth a more specific lawsuit

to be clear the ruling was still very bad and if it had been about anything else instead of abortion they would have just unanimously said no your law is very stupid and gently caress you for trying to pass it the long game seems to be using it to chip away abortion rights moderatishly in the context of an actual legal decision

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Dustcat posted:

you need standing to win a suit, which a random person wouldn't have without this law, and filing frivolous lawsuits can lead to having to pay the defendant's lawyer fees, which this law protects the random person from

ok but what damage would some rando suffer from someone else driving a woman to a clinic? seems like people are going to try this and get countersued for lawyers fees anyways lol

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Spergin Morlock posted:

ok but what damage would some rando suffer from someone else driving a woman to a clinic? seems like people are going to try this and get countersued for lawyers fees anyways lol

The Texas law specifically empowers anyone to file suit without showing damages and protects them from being countersued for legal fees.

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

YOLOsubmarine posted:

The Texas law specifically empowers anyone to file suit without showing damages and protects them from being countersued for legal fees.

if someone sues the uber driver for the texas law, although they can't countersue, the FACE act would allow the person receiving the abortion or the company providing the abortion to countersue the person who filed against the driver for obstructing their ability to receive reproductive care.

its like a magic the gathering interrupt sequence except everyone loses

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
The American system has so many trap doors to let you do whatever you want, or sandbag things you don't want to do. :allears:

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Vomik posted:

if someone sues the uber driver for the texas law, although they can't countersue, the FACE act would allow the person receiving the abortion or the company providing the abortion to countersue the person who filed against the driver for obstructing their ability to receive reproductive care

No it wouldn’t. The FACE act only deals with physical force or threats of physical force.

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

YOLOsubmarine posted:

No it wouldn’t. The FACE act only deals with physical force or threats of physical force.

depends on how you want to interpret intimidation and blocking access to a clinic - guess someone will have to sue and see how they rule

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan
use the FACE act to sue the entirety of texas under the guise of intimidating people wanting to get abortions

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Vomik posted:

depends on how you want to interpret intimidation and blocking access to a clinic - guess someone will have to sue and see how they rule

quote:

(a) Prohibited activities.--Whoever-- (1) by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with any person because that person is or has been, or in order to intimidate such person or any other person or any class of persons from, obtaining or providing reproductive health services;[3]

There’s not a lot of room for interpretation there but even if there was it’s a federal crime so you’d have to convince the feds to bring charges.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

YOLOsubmarine posted:

There’s not a lot of room for interpretation there but even if there was it’s a federal crime so you’d have to convince the feds to bring charges.

according to the libertarian doctrine that taxation is the use of force (which probably 5/9 supreme court justices would agree with) then therefore a civil court proceeding that has the result of requiring someone to pay you money is the use of force and therefore the existence of this law is the threat of force to intimidate or interfere with providing reproductive health services, there you go fbi please come invade texas to give free abortions to everyone

Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!

YOLOsubmarine posted:

There’s not a lot of room for interpretation there but even if there was it’s a federal crime so you’d have to convince the feds to bring charges.

Good thing the US Attorney General is saying the doj will do just that. Whether a court will buy their argument who knows.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Raldikuk posted:

Good thing the US Attorney General is saying the doj will do just that. Whether a court will buy their argument who knows.

Read the statement again, that’s not what it says.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Vox Nihili posted:

Breyer will never retire and is going to die the very instant Republicans regain a Senate majority.

It will be funnier that way but it wouldn't have mattered if he died the instant Biden took office, the democrats wouldn't bother to appoint anybody because they'd rather fundraise off the vacancy leading up to the most important election ever

Then Mitch open palm slams a justice into the slot

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

YOLOsubmarine posted:

Read the statement again, that’s not what it says.

I mean, there is already precedent that a foreign court duly enforcing the law against Americans doing business in their country can be charged under RICO because issuing decisions the U.S. government doesn't like is a form a racketeering. Now just apply that to Texas courts!

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/1436060594872926218?s=20

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

he’s going to retire the first day of trump’s second term

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

my brain is far bigger than Dan rathers because I could easily make that up

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/Law360/status/1437825987539001346

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

this is why you don't stick your neck out for the dems

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

lol what a punk

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH
who do I have to pay first in my pantheon of intellectual creditors?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

bawfuls posted:

fun fact RBG loving loved that poo poo, had mugs and posters and all kinds of kitschy "Notorious RBG" crap all over her home.

It was like the judicial version of the dumb basic yuppie lifestyle fan club that Obama attracted

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/AIIAmericanGirI/status/1438644904129875970

extremely funny how life news appears to be the only publication willing to make a big thing out of this given that the supreme court going nah why bother preventing people from trying to enforce this ridiculous law until it gets to trial was the start of all this brouhaha wanna guess why that was a crime against the republic but this isnt

because the judge in question robert pitman is an obama appointee lol

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Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

owned :owned:

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