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Yesterday, When I Was Mad by Pet Shop Boys is the only good “being famous is hard” song, and it’s basically just a list of hilariously bitchy things people said to Neil Tennant while on tour. https://youtu.be/t9HxLlZ8by4
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There are loads of good "Touring sucks" and "Being famous sucks" and "I get high and gently caress and am rich" songs, they just have to beat the curve. That song kicks the poo poo out of the curve.
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Oct 10, 2021 19:48
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mind the walrus posted:Also any band that is successful long enough pretty much only has touring experience to write about, which is a third runner-up for "most overdone, insufferable concepts to write songs about." Matt Pike has been hosed by labels and still gone on tour all the time for 20+ years and he still writes songs about how the lizard people were here *before* the annunaki
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Oct 10, 2021 19:52
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HD DAD posted:Yesterday, When I Was Mad by Pet Shop Boys is the only good “being famous is hard” song, and it’s basically just a list of hilariously bitchy things people said to Neil Tennant while on tour. I Sleep On My Heart by Level 42
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Oct 10, 2021 20:22
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Honorary mention to "poo poo, our gear is on fire", which is definitely less common.
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Oct 10, 2021 21:24
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The transition here is the greatest part of this song (9:25 in case the link doesn't work right): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkgIlXqIfzk&t=565s
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Peanut Butter posted:Muse (at least after their first couple of albums) are super juvenile and derivative and basically like Queen without any charisma. What MUSE song sounds like Queen? I am a big fan of both, but Queen is clearly decades earlier. Freddie has a broad vocal range, but didn't really hang out up high like Matt Bellamy does. Besides, the falsetto in Queen is often Roger Taylor going nuts. The guitars and bass don't really sound the same either. I guess they both sometimes use pianos? They both experiment with crossover stuff (Another One Bites The Dust / Panic Station / Pressure) but the outcomes are super different. People started saying this about United States of Eurasia being a Bohemian Rhapsody derivative, but I don't hear it. BR has a big opera section, while Eurasia has a Chopin-style outro. Starting a rock song with a piano isn't a concept solely owned by Queen. Writing spacey tunes isn't owed by Queen. '35 does kinda sound like an idea Muse would write about, but aside from that, Muse is yet to write a song about fat asses or whatever Seaside Rendevouz is getting at. What Queen song sounds like Hysteria? What Muse song sounds like Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy? Queen never got nearly as heavy as Stockholm Syndrome, Muse never did music hall or opera stuff. I just don't see it. I'd love to hear some examples that link the two, because it's a fascinating take.
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Oct 11, 2021 00:27
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I hate music videos that just show the band playing, or, in the case of heavy metal, scenes from a live concert. Make a video that adds something to the song. If I wanted to see a group of assholes play their instruments, I would go to your concert or your studio. It's okay to mix in some scenes of someone play an instrument, but only 2-3 times during the video or so. Oh and also, while hip hop videos thankfully never show them playing their non-existent acoustic instruments, showing off your bling and pool parties don't count as good either.
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Oct 11, 2021 00:41
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Computer viking posted:Honorary mention to "poo poo, our gear is on fire", which is definitely less common. Mott the Hoople's All the Way From Memphis isn't quite gear on fire, but it is gear is destroyed. Their version has a racial epithet in it, so here's Brian May singing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdsec6i06Ts In a different vein about the life of a musician, I'm Just a Singer (In a Rock and Roll Band), the Moody Blues arguing they are not deep and profound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak5bt8ZiBo4
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Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:I hate music videos that just show the band playing, or, in the case of heavy metal, scenes from a live concert. Make a video that adds something to the song. this is very often a cost issue. scenes from a live concert do not require a director, a set, actors, additional lighting design, special effects, additional filming time, etc. & etc. quote:If I wanted to see a group of assholes play their instruments, I would go to your concert or your studio. if you want bands to be able to afford to make cool music videos then consider go to their concerts and support them so that they can someday do so. (going to their studio is, in almost all cases, not an option thats kind of a weird thing to say) Earwicker fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Oct 11, 2021 |
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Oct 11, 2021 02:28
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I remember someone called REM jangly art-rock and it was the truest thing ive ever heard
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Billie relish and Justin Bieber helped kill rock music
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Fixins posted:Billie relish and Justin Bieber helped kill rock music I'm sorry but rock music was killed in a drive-by perpetrated by the bands Papa Roach, Puddle of Mudd, and Stained.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:I remember someone called REM jangly art-rock and it was the truest thing ive ever heard REM is if The Smiths were from Georgia.
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Oct 11, 2021 03:53
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Earwicker posted:if you want bands to be able to afford to make cool music videos then consider go to their concerts and support them so that they can someday do so. (going to their studio is, in almost all cases, not an option thats kind of a weird thing to say) I just go see Taylor Swift at the studio "Yo Taylor", I say, "you should really work on your music videos"
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Oct 11, 2021 09:56
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Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:I hate music videos that just show the band playing, or, in the case of heavy metal, scenes from a live concert. Make a video that adds something to the song. If I wanted to see a group of assholes play their instruments, I would go to your concert or your studio. High on Fire's video progression goes from them playing (HoF are not an attractive band), to Frosthammer having sort of a story cut in, then Fertile Green is a grindhouse movie about loving a lady made out of weed and then you never see the band again after that.
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Oct 11, 2021 09:59
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Fixins posted:Billie relish and Justin Bieber helped kill rock music Billie Relish...heh I don't know a single one of or her songs but I like her general air of sleepiness
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Oct 11, 2021 10:04
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People need to stop covering Toxic
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Speaking of Bieber: Love Yourself is a perfectly decent song, and a cute little "gently caress off" to his ex.
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Oct 11, 2021 11:38
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Fixins posted:Billie relish and Justin Bieber helped kill rock music Rock music has been dead since '99 and I'm not kidding
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Oct 11, 2021 11:52
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Earwicker posted:this is very often a cost issue. scenes from a live concert do not require a director, a set, actors, additional lighting design, special effects, additional filming time, etc. & etc. I meant bands that have a choice. It seems to be punishable by death in heavy metal circles to not show scenes from a (real or fake) live concert. I doubt that ACDC/Metallica/The Cult etc. don't/didn/t have the money. The studio remark was in reference to all the videos that show bands in a studio, like One Vision by Queen and a million others, which is also a poo poo and cheap way to make a video. Again, I give bands that can't afford it a free pass to make no videos or live/studio ones. All others are not using the medium and intellectually lazy.
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Oct 11, 2021 12:48
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mind the walrus posted:Rock music has been dead since '99 and I'm not kidding I’d say it was almost dead in 1999, but had one final hoorah between 2001-2008 with the garage rock revival scene. But yes rock as we know it as a mainstream genre is pretty dead now lol.
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Oct 11, 2021 14:18
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Rock is dead as a mainstream genre but is doing just fine as a non-mainstream one; tons of good rock has come out in the last decade.
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the whole rock thing where you have guitars, bass and drums and sing and there's an audience is better thought of as a folk music tradition, much like how jazz basically turned into a branch of classical music some time in the 70s real (pop) music is made on computers
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If I get to be even more cool and underground, that's great news. I was born in 1990 but my generation's beep boop robot poo poo will still never get me going the same way a good riff or bassline does. I do like some EDM, like Kontravoid...I don't know what genre they are
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Oct 11, 2021 17:11
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Electronic music is good. Music made on traditional instruments is good. Samples of traditional instruments used to make electronic music is good. For some reason the only combination of these things that sucks is when a band that plays traditional instruments tries to add electronic music to their music.
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Oct 11, 2021 17:21
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Literally A Ghost posted:Electronic music is good. Music made on traditional instruments is good. Samples of traditional instruments used to make electronic music is good. For some reason the only combination of these things that sucks is when a band that plays traditional instruments tries to add electronic music to their music. I agree to the extent when a traditional rock band “goes synth” and it’s just a filter swept synth pad wobbling below the guitars, it generally sucks rear end. The same when a rock band chases the EDM sound of the week, and suddenly it sounds like there’s only two people in the band - the singer and the hip young producer. But there’s also plenty of true synth-rock hybrid bands that kick rear end. Hell that was pretty much the entirely of New Wave.
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RE: gently caress TOURING SONGS I misspoke in my previous post about bands writing about touring. I did not mean to include those writing about missing loved ones, being unable to be there for them, etc. I didn't mean musicians writing about the fun, adventure, and stories that come from it. I was referring to the musicians that gatekeep, that are their town/scene's crabs in a bucket. They warn other musicians/bands that touring is a good-for-nothing hideous sinkhole. It's two weeks of nonstop work that will drain your pockets. The ego check of playing in an unknown town to zero fanfare is a miserable experience for some musicians, the culture shock of driving 3 hours away and realizing nobody knows or cares about you at all, and some walk away from it with the entirely wrong lessons--"psssh the stupid idiots in this shithole don't realize how great i actually am" so they get home and they report back the scene equivalent of "Back in my day, I had to walk uphill in the snow", but instead of an age difference, it's condescending to someone 5 years younger. tldr: Some musicans/bands cannot handle the vastness of ocean so they come home to be big fish in a small pond. some touring songs I like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgAalWfBzkk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1qlH-RYzQI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWYrgj_vZqI
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ProperCoochie posted:I was referring to the musicians that gatekeep, that are their town/scene's crabs in a bucket. They warn other musicians/bands that touring is a good-for-nothing hideous sinkhole. It's two weeks of nonstop work that will drain your pockets. what musicians are doing this? ive never heard any touring songs of this type and im curious what you are talking about
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HD DAD posted:I agree to the extent when a traditional rock band “goes synth” and it’s just a filter swept synth pad wobbling below the guitars, it generally sucks rear end. The same when a rock band chases the EDM sound of the week, and suddenly it sounds like there’s only two people in the band - the singer and the hip young producer. I always kind of lumped new wave into the "electronic music" category. I know it has guitars and basses and stuff but it was kinda of emblematic of where electronic music was going. 
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Literally A Ghost posted:Electronic music is good. Music made on traditional instruments is good. Samples of traditional instruments used to make electronic music is good. For some reason the only combination of these things that sucks is when a band that plays traditional instruments tries to add electronic music to their music. This reminds me, in classical "new music" circles, there's been the adoption of the "electro acoustic" tag for basically when a flutist or trumpet player discovers looper and delay pedals. When a classically trained musician starts doing it they lean hard into it and make it their thing and release an album that's mostly extended techniques (piezo mics on the instrument and at least one song is the click and clacking of the keys). It's weird because for all their ability and new vistas to explore it sounds very samey but to the classical music scene it's Led Zepplin IV.
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Local Weather posted:NO! This is the correct opinion.
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Izzhov posted:I might have the most unpopular Radiohead opinion of all time - never heard of anyone else with this opinion, at least: they're mostly boring, but with a handful of pretty good songs. Of course I've heard Radiohead songs but I've never listened to any Radiohead album all the way through, ever. I think at one time I would have probably been way into them but that train has left the station a long time ago. That being said, I ate a bunch of shrooms and saw them live at Bonnaroo in 2012 and it was absolutely fantastic.
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HD DAD posted:REM is if The Smiths were from Georgia. But see this is ok because The Smiths are one of the best bands ever and REM is definitely the greatest American rock band of all time. That being said, Morrisey is a complete twat and should be ignored.
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Local Weather posted:NO! yeah, just like Sgt. Peppers
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I'll take The Smiths over REM, but I can appreciate what the latter did.
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Local Weather posted:But see this is ok because The Smiths are one of the best bands ever and REM is definitely the greatest American rock band of all time.  Phlegmish posted:I'll take The Smiths over REM, but I can appreciate what the latter did.  NC Wyeth Death Cult posted:This reminds me, in classical "new music" circles, there's been the adoption of the "electro acoustic" tag for basically when a flutist or trumpet player discovers looper and delay pedals. When a classically trained musician starts doing it they lean hard into it and make it their thing and release an album that's mostly extended techniques (piezo mics on the instrument and at least one song is the click and clacking of the keys). It's weird because for all their ability and new vistas to explore it sounds very samey but to the classical music scene it's Led Zepplin IV. Literally A Ghost posted:I always kind of lumped new wave into the "electronic music" category. I know it has guitars and basses and stuff but it was kinda of emblematic of where electronic music was going. And in the 90s there was an understandable mainstream distinction as DIY tools became even more accessible and there was less need than ever for up-and-comers to learn hard instruments unless they wanted to be "rockers," then after the 00s and the industry cratered there wasn't much practical need to make distinctions beyond "we're trying to sound stripped down" which-- I'll be honest-- usually reads to me as "please think I'm cool and authentic dad." I know that's not the case obviously, but again from a layman it struck me as very similar to like... when a "movie buff" says they hate exposition and quips-- no you loving don't, you hate exposition and quips that you notice.
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NC Wyeth Death Cult posted:When a classically trained musician starts doing it they lean hard into it and make it their thing and release an album that's mostly extended techniques (piezo mics on the instrument and at least one song is the click and clacking of the keys). It's weird because for all their ability and new vistas to explore it sounds very samey but to the classical music scene it's Led Zepplin IV. i dont get what you mean by "samey" personally i think it sounds loving awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYDrQWTQoWY
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wankel13b posted:I am going to guess that you mean "Silver". yeah
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Captain Splendid posted:People need to stop covering Toxic I was gonna argue but then realized you said toxic not toxicity. The Local H cover was good. UMO: I like covers a lot, often more than originals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3ZfOc4QyYY
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