Mr_Companie posted:

My take on your opinion is it sucks and isn't based on a full understanding of the allegations.

Mr_Companie posted:

The worst disease is the autism that made you write up this post in complete sincerity in gbs.

Dell_Zincht posted:

MJ Productions proudly presents:

IF I did it (I totally did)

AmbassadorofSodomy posted:

Here are some words of wisdom from one of the great musical thinkers of all time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXvYQbxAmAU

HD DAD posted:

Honestly can we just make Wesley Willis the king of pop instead?

The Bloop posted:

The point though, again, was that he WAS guilty, but that he was a fascinating case in regards to his motivations. Too many people just say "so and so was a monster" and leave it at that and don't actually learn anything.

Anne Whateley posted:

It isn't shocking and new information that many pedos were abused as kids*, or claim to have been abused as kids, or claim to identify more with kids than with adults. That isn't groundbreaking or fascinating. It would really be good to be somewhat informed about the subject you're talking about when it's such a sensitive topic as pedophile apologia.

_{(*Disclaimer: many pedos were abused as kids, but most kids who were abused do not grow up to be abusers)}

The Bloop posted:

He always struck me as a case of extreme arrested development like he still was trying to be a kid himself so he was acting that out and not being predatory in the way we typically think of it.

Anne Whateley posted:

I don't understand what element you find so fascinating and full of new information?

temple posted:

Michael was probably innocent. Kid #1 had a father that was trying to blackmail MJ for Hollywood connections. Kids #2-3 were sick but their mother was a pathological liar and accused not just MJ but half of Hollywood. The old guys from Leaving Neverland were trying to sue the estate for various reasons, got shot down, and then produced the allegations. Robson was a washed up dancer that got blacklisted after MJ died. Safechuck was just broke, I think his family was in debt or losing the home MJ bought them. Half of his allegations don't match up, particularly the train station story was impossible. I think MJ was attracted to them because they were showbiz kids like him. He wanted to take them away from their parents so they could have childhoods, not sex. MJ had a rep of paying off anyone that bothered him and that made him a target. MJ was probably emotionally and psychological off in many ways but the fact that he never got accused or caught by anyone with slightly more creditability is telling.

The Saucer Hovers posted:

if this classist pedophile apologist isnt banned...idk how the mods can make any more room for shame but they will need to

temple posted:

Jack the Ripper was probably emotionally and psychological off in many ways but the fact that he never got accused or caught by anyone with slightly more creditability is telling.

temple posted:

. Kids #2-3 were sick but their mother was a pathological liar and accused not just MJ but half of Hollywood.

Derpies posted:

Michael Jackson was guilty af and poo poo Cspam is leaking in here someone get the duct tape please to patch the hole

The Bloop posted:

I didn't say that. I said that his case is fascinating. And yes I realize it's somewhat common in those cases but he seems like the edge of the bell curve outlier case and therefore noteworthy. Maybe he isn't, but he seems like that.

I ALSO said that I personally did not have all the information about his case. That it was new TO ME because I haven't kept abreast of it. Not that the information was new generally. And I agreed that I shouldn't have spoken about it without that knowledge.

It was a bad post but my view is not what you're making it out to be.

Dell_Zincht posted:

I was trying to go to sleep a few minutes ago and for some reason the enormity of these events finally hit me and I couldn't stop crying. I have no real life friends who give a poo poo about pop music, so this is basically the only place I have to express these feelings, but I really feel the need to express them.

I would like this thread to be about our personal feelings about the death of Michael Jackson, and how it has personally affected us. Just NMD'ing about the details as they come in, or wondering about the music businesses future, and all of that bullshit has no place here. I need to write about my feelings about Michael Jackson. Obviously these posts will be mocked elsewhere on the forums, but gently caress 'em. If you feel the need to say anything, say it.

Michael Jackson is a paedophile. He fiddled all those kids. We will probably never know exactly what he was thinking. Obviously I did not know Michael Jackson. I never saw him in person and never spoke to him. But he represented something very special to me. In such a cut-throat, dirty, dark, often disgusting, business he was one of the good ones. When people talked poo poo about pop music and the bastards involved in it, you could always single out Michael Jackson as the exception to the rule. He was the one you could refer to as a true professional who honoured the music business he loved, who was passionate about it, who proved that you could dedicate your life to pop music without being insane or scum or a monster. He was the ace in the hole. He was the one who wasn't in it for the pussy or because he was a failed musician in another genre or because he wanted to get rich quick or because he wanted to be a movie star or because he saw pop music as a means to an end. He was in it for pop. He was dedicated to being the best pop musician he could be, and it showed on the stage.

I wanted to be a pop musician since I was a little kid, and one of the very worst moments of my life was a cold night in San Antonio when I was on the phone to my girlfriend a thousand miles away and finally admitted to myself and to her that coming to Texas to be a pop star had been a mistake. Coming to grips that I was simply not tuneful or charismatically talented enough to be a pop musician was one of the worst moments of my life. The business glorifies the boyhood dreams that come true. My boyhood dream wasn't going to come true, and it was an upsetting, soul-crushing revelation that upsets and discourages me to this day.

Since then I lived vicariously through Michael Jackson in a lot of ways. He wasn't a man who was destined to be a pop star. He couldn't talk. He wasn't charismatic in the usual way. He was quiet. He was short. The only thing he had going for him was his work ethic. He wasn't a third generation singer. He wasn't physically gifted. He wasn't someone who had words come easy to him. But through sheer effort he was able to become one of the greatest pop stars in history. By 40 years-old.

Michael Jackson was only forty, and he was already a legend on the verge of myth. That's how talented he was, and how respected.

I cannot reconcile in my mind that the man who unnecessarily gave back so much to the music business could gently caress those kids the way he did. I can't understand how a man could spend weeks and months trying to give back to younger guys like Chris Brown putting forth the care and effort to help them find their voice in the studio, and that that same man could be having sex with kids only weeks later. It doesn't make sense. It shouldn't have happened this way. Not for him, not for those kids, and not for their parents.

Michael Jackson owed me nothing. But I still feel the loss. I selfishly lived through many of his accomplishments and now feel lost. I can only speak for myself, but I feel that for a lot of us Mondays and Fridays are rocks of stability in a storm of stress and uncertainty. Every week the show goes on. Every week the show is from somewhere new, somewhere in the world, but every week it comes into our homes.

And that will continue. But Michael Jackson is a paedophile. And he died a paedophile. And whether it be insanity, drugs, or just the actions of a clear-eyed monster, what is done is done. And one of the pillars for the guys in the pop world and one of the pillars for fans is gone. And everything that pillar held up is tainted and dripping with blood.

Michael Jackson was a kiddy fucker. And I don't know how to accept that.

Dell_Zincht posted:

Michael Jackson is a paedophile. He fiddled all those kids. We will probably never know exactly what he was thinking. Obviously I did not know Michael Jackson. I never saw him in person and never spoke to him. But he represented something very special to me. In such a cut-throat, dirty, dark, often disgusting, business he was one of the good ones. When people talked poo poo about pop music and the bastards involved in it, you could always single out Michael Jackson as the exception to the rule. He was the one you could refer to as a true professional who honoured the music business he loved, who was passionate about it, who proved that you could dedicate your life to pop music without being insane or scum or a monster. He was the ace in the hole. He was the one who wasn't in it for the pussy or because he was a failed musician in another genre or because he wanted to get rich quick or because he wanted to be a movie star or because he saw pop music as a means to an end. He was in it for pop. He was dedicated to being the best pop musician he could be, and it showed on the stage.

Dell_Zincht posted:

Who What Now posted:

Stop it. Stop loving lionizing this goddamn monster. He wasn't "one of the good ones", he was part of the darkness you're saying he was a shining beacon of light against BECAUSE HE WAS A loving SERIAL PEDOPHILE. Good loving Christ I know that Thriller is catchy and he did a cool Pepsi commercial but you honest to god do not have to loving hand it to him. You idolized a monster before you knew his crimes, and now having learnt of them the correct response is to say "He loving sucks, what a piece of poo poo."

You're still allowed to think that Black & White was a good song or whatever but for gently caress's sake stop talking about what a good person he was. He wasn't. Period, full stop, end of story. Listen to the music, but for gently caress's sake stop doing this poo poo. Goddamn.

Who What Now posted:

Stop it. Stop loving lionizing this goddamn monster. He wasn't "one of the good ones", he was part of the darkness you're saying he was a shining beacon of light against BECAUSE HE WAS A loving SERIAL PEDOPHILE. Good loving Christ I know that Thriller is catchy and he did a cool Pepsi commercial but you honest to god do not have to loving hand it to him. You idolized a monster before you knew his crimes, and now having learnt of them the correct response is to say "He loving sucks, what a piece of poo poo."

You're still allowed to think that Black & White was a good song or whatever but for gently caress's sake stop talking about what a good person he was. He wasn't. Period, full stop, end of story. Listen to the music, but for gently caress's sake stop doing this poo poo. Goddamn.

Who What Now posted:

Stop it. Stop loving lionizing this goddamn monster. He wasn't "one of the good ones", he was part of the darkness you're saying he was a shining beacon of light against BECAUSE HE WAS A loving SERIAL PEDOPHILE. Good loving Christ I know that Thriller is catchy and he did a cool Pepsi commercial but you honest to god do not have to loving hand it to him. You idolized a monster before you knew his crimes, and now having learnt of them the correct response is to say "He loving sucks, what a piece of poo poo."

You're still allowed to think that Black & White was a good song or whatever but for gently caress's sake stop talking about what a good person he was. He wasn't. Period, full stop, end of story. Listen to the music, but for gently caress's sake stop doing this poo poo. Goddamn.

Bronze Fonz posted:

That's the thing that people don't get. He was a predator, he meticulously planned everything to get away with it and what he did was everything but childlike. He was a serial child rapist.

Eztrajx posted:

I'm more interested in how he got away with these lines:

Who What Now posted:

Terry Pratchett was hugely inspirational for me, and guided the development of my sense of self and humor. I absolutely consider him a hero. If it comes out that he was a wife beater or something I am going to spend exactly zero seconds defending him because goddamnit that sort of poo poo doesn't deserve to be defended. Michael Jackson doesn't deserve your defense. So stop giving it to him. Stop adjulating him.

Robobot posted:

Which wrestler was this about again?