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SweetJahasus
Dec 23, 2005

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Welcome, everyone, to season 41 of Survivor! We've had OVER A YEAR with no new US Survivor and finally we're back baby!



Survivor airs Wednesday, September 22nd on CBS! Check your local listings.

:siren::siren::siren:PAY ATTENTION TO THIS: :siren::siren::siren:

Some basic rules, which should be no-brainers for pre-taped reality TV:
  • :siren:If it pertains to season 41 but has not aired, DO NOT spoil it in this thread:siren:. Keep that poo poo to Sucks or some other dumb Survivor fan site.
  • This show is now 21 years old and has repeatedly brought back previous contestants/winners (and had an all-winner season) so discussion of previous seasons is likely going to be rampant and un-spoiler-tagged. If you're spoiler averse to old seasons, tread lightly. and go watch the old seasons FFS, even the bad ones have good parts! (except 39 don't watch that one it sucks)
  • Keep any veiled racist/sexist/misogynist bullshit out of the thread. CBS has pushed to make this season more inclusive so let's do the same and enjoy this more diverse cast! It's worked really well for Big Brother 23, so hopefully Survivor casting did as good of a job.

Now for all of the boiler plate poo poo for new viewers in case you’ve been living under a rock for the past 21 years.
What is Survivor?

Survivor is a reality show where a group of 16 to 20 or so contestants, from all walks of life, are stuck on a remote paradise and forced to live together for 39 26 days; gathering their own food, building their own shelter, and purifying their own water. The cast is split into opposing, equal teams, called tribes. The tribes must work together to form a community, in the hopes of one contestant becoming the Sole Survivor and winning one million dollars. At least one contestant is voted off every episode.

A typical Survivor season has three phases. Pre-Merge, Post-Merge, and Endgame.

  • Pre-Merge: Roughly the first half of the game. The tribes compete against each other twice each episode. First for a reward, and second for tribal immunity. Tribes that fail the immunity challenge will be forced to vote one of their own members out at the end of the episode.

  • Post-Merge: The tribes are merged together. Players are now playing for individual immunity and all players will participate in voting out a player from the tribe.

  • Endgame: Once 5-7 players or so remain, the show reaches the End game phase. Usually the very strong core alliances are shaken up here as people try to reach the end or placate the jury. The last nine players voted out before the final tribal council will join a Jury that will decide who will win of the final three (sometimes two) players.


This Season’s Gimmick

This season is going to be only 26 days, shortened from the usual 39 and, per Jeff, will be brutally hard with no food rewards or given rations and require much faster gameplay due to the shortened schedule.


We really have no idea what's to come from this season gimmick-wise, but Jeff has said that there will be less of the typical gimmicky stuff and just more old-fashioned gameplay, which should be great!

The prize purse is back down to $1,000,000 from last year's 2...which is dumb and stupid considering how much money this show makes vs its cost, but hey I guess the million dollars is still something (despite inflation causing the 2000 equivalent to be $1,585,383).

Supplemental Material

  • Rob has a Podcast: Available on iTunes or YouTube or their website. He does a few podcasts a week discussing the latest episodes events, interviewing the player who was voted out that episode, and provides theories about strategy. This podcast provides insight into the game that was not aired on the show. It is heavily referenced in this thread.

  • Twitter: Survivors poo poo on each other, shill for their crap, and every once in a while tweet something that's actually amusing.

  • YouTube: The Official YouTube Channel occasionally puts Ponderosa videos and bonus scenes on their channel but other times they're trying to draw traffic to their CBS All-Access app so they'll put them there instead. Worst case, just search for "Ponderosa [jury member]" and you'll find someone else uploaded it so you don't have to figure that out.

Glossary of Terms

  • Blindside: When a tribal council seems to be set up so one or one of two possible players are getting eliminated, but somehow either a secret coalition or a surprising idol play makes it so someone else is voted out instead. :blindside:

  • "The Edit": Survivor is a show to entertain. It is produced and edited in a way to give players a streamlined personality and to create as much tension before Tribal Council as possible.

  • Goat: A useless, awful, or crazy person that is not being voted out of the game specifically so a player can look like a more desirable final survivor to the jury compared to the goat.

  • HII: Hidden Immunity Idol. They are hidden around the island. Clues will be given that could reveal their location. One-use item that a player can use after the votes are cast (but before they are read) at Tribal Council to nullify votes against that person. They can't be used at Final Four player or later.

  • Mactor: Portmanteau of "Model/Actor". A player who doesn't know the game very well and are just using it to further their career.

  • Pagonged: Going into post-merge, it's the act of voting out the former members of your opposing tribe before voting out the former members of your original tribe. It's the reason it's important to win tribal immunity pre-merge so that you outnumber the opposing tribe members in post-merge.

  • Pony/Poison: After the new season's cast is announced, thread members will pick a "Pony" (someone they think is awesome and will win) and a "Poison" (someone they think will suck and/or be an annoying rear end in a top hat they hope will lose or just simply suffer)

  • Purple Rocks: In the event of a tie at Tribal Council, there is a revote, with only the people receiving the most votes being eligible to receive votes during that revote. If the revote also ends in a tie, Survivors draw rocks. Whichever player draws the differently colored rock is eliminated from the game.

  • Splitting the vote/Flushing the Idol: An alliance that splits its votes between two members to counter a potential idol play. If one of those two players plays a Hidden Immunity Idol, there will still be enough players voting for the other guy to vote them out. This strategy can be risky.

Okay so enough of that, let’s get to the good stuff. This cast is all newbies so I don't have anything clever to say but here's pictures of them and something that might make them interesting or good tv or something I don't know.

Brad Reese

He's from a town named Shawnee, which sounds like Shonee, one of the most interesting AUS Survivor players. Also is tall.

Danny McCray

Ex-NFL player whose biggest pet peeve is lying. This should make him really good at Survivor.

David Voce

Wants to play the game like Russel Hantz, which means he's probably very cool and chill.

Deshawn Radden

His preseason answers are actually not bad, and I can't make fun of him for anything.

Eric Abraham

Going to have a hybrid playstyle of Richard Hatch, Wendell Holland, and Boston Rob. Will incorporate NO QUALITIES FROM NON-WINNERS

Erika Casupanan

Has been manipulative before she knew what manipulation was. So, is a sociopath.

Evvie Jagoda

Her answers to every question are so long my eyes rolled back in my head. Will probably never be able to succinctly address anything. This season's BB23 Kyland I guess.

Genie Chen

Doesn't look to be a fan, but biggest pet peeve appears to be people not wearing masks, which is going to be probably everyone on Survivor.

Heather Aldret

Has a passion for opossums, which is gross.

Jairus Robinson

Wants to play like some of the "great Survivor winners" like Fabio. Fabio.

Liana Wallace

Seems smart, good answers - can't pick on her because of her answers to the questions she got asked!

Naseer Muttalif

Didn't use a real toilet until he was an adult, aquadump 4 lyfe.

Ricard Foyé

Pet peeve is asking a question and then being ignored, which is pretty drat presumptive of a deaf guy.

Sara Wilson

Is quite confident she's the biggest physical, intellectual, and social threat ever to play Survivor. First boot material.

Shantel Smith

Hero is Xena Warrior Princess, and was in a gang!

Sydney Segal - image is kinda nsfw, depending on where you are

Wants to play a Natalie White game, so I guess be boring player who does nothing but sits next to someone retched. Also her press picture is basically softcore porn so not gonna show it.

Tiffany Seely

Says she is a "previvor" but gives no definition for this, so is probably insane. Also tries to use the phrase "situationships".

Xander Hastings

Is the token for CBS's new initiative to have someone with an X name in all of their reality shows. Thanks CBS for doing what's really important.


Well I guess that's it. We get started in a few weeks after BB ends, so pick your ponies and poisons now.

Here's some additional links to info about these people as it comes out. I haven't had a ton of time to make this OP due to work/family commitments so if you think it sucks too bad.
https://parade.com/1255355/mikebloom/survivor-41-cast/
https://parade.com/1257947/mikebloom/survivor-41-tribes/

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SweetJahasus
Dec 23, 2005

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I guess I should give my pony/poison as well!

Pony: Deshawn
Poison: David

Same as Big Taint! David just seems so arrogant from every video I've seen of him. So hard to tell from preseason press stuff they do because they're all using these canned answers that production pushes them towards, and they all sound the same. Hopefully week 1 we can get real insight into how they will play out.

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STONE COLD 64 posted:

what kind of country is 41

Well start at USA (#1) and count them, then you get to 41, and survive

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LionArcher posted:

I never watches survivor until covid, and now have binged a lot of seasons. I love Boston Rob. I love this show and can't wait for the new season and to watch it with you all.

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LionArcher posted:

exactly. I also have only seen the season where he won and the most recent season where he came back. Is it worth it to watch the season where he meets his wife?

Without spoiling anything....there's a lottttttttt of saltiness in that season so prepare yourself for that.

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Tonight's the night! Hope everyone who doesn't have cable enjoys the nightmarish horror that is Paramount +.

Us BB fans have been suffering through it for the past few months so what's another couple right?

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Dec 23, 2005

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I thought I was going to like JD but boy, he is too much.

I say this as a Coach fan.

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Dec 23, 2005

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Brad? More like bad.

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The Bloop posted:

Yeah I think people are very hungry

They're chasing crabs all over which probably burns more calories than it provides, but at least gives protein.

Other than that it's coconuts and that one breadfruit.

It's funny, in the latest Survivor South Africa season there was a big debate about this and Kieran went on this grognard rant about how you don't get any benefit from chasing around crabs etc for food because the calories out are more, despite Chappies doing just that AND kicking the poo poo out of everyone in every challenge (setting a challenge record) and dominating until he slipped and lost only one challenge. so in summary, getting food is always worth it, especially if you secretly hoard it and don't share!

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Lampsacus posted:

Shout outs to Survivor South Africa season 8 its super fun. Its not perfect but it feels to me like real old school survivor. like, you will probably hate it if you want optimized, clean play and you will probably love it if you like messy, mistaken-ridden, low budget survivor. I love the survivors and the host, the temperate, windy locale is fresh and great too. I love how silly the product placements are, I like how weird and awkward the immunity island gimmick is. But most of all, I love watching how South Africans play survivor because my gxd is there a difference in culture when compared to the Americans. I mean, episode 1 literally has players casually burying food and nobody talks about why they are and there is zero edit focus on it. Its just part of the... I guess a good way to keep the food fresh? Maybe they are hiding it from other players? Who knows! On to the reward, a bowl of homemade lasagna and some fizzy drink get ready to lose your minds!

Echoed. So far s41 is about managing advantage items and basic game theory, it feels like production just discovered... board game geek or something?? I'd rather just rewatch The Genius, ya know?

Seconding this. SA season 8 is fun front to back and is VERY different from US survivor in a good way.

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Deshawn really is confessional gold. Dude is so likeable.

I feel bad for JD because he was obviously passionate but to echo everyone else, he was so so very bad at the game. I really can't put my finger on one correct move he made (that wasn't dumb luck w him getting the extra vote).

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Pretty slow/boring episode IMO but by far the best part to me was seeing how happy Naseer was that Danny wanted to work with him. Since they haven't had to make any hard decisions yet I think the blue tribe hasn't really formed those tight bonds yet and him having such joy over the cool big strong guy wanting to be his friend kinda melted my cold dead heart.

Also his part about his daughter was great.

poo poo, I'm becoming the target audience for the sappy crying segments aren't I?

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Can someone with twitter please let Jeff know that isn't how hourglasses work.

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The thing about the hourglass twist is that she would be a fool to not smash it.

Smash it, you're immune and yeah your old tribe people are mad at you (assuming she doesn't already know they're targeting her) but you can explain to them that.....

If you don't smash it, you're vulnerable with a group of people you've just told that you DIDNT save, when you could have, so of course they're all just gonna up and vote you out.

It's a non-decision. It's like, go home or don't go home. Easy.

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Survivor S41: I was f–ked from the beginning because I’m the best at everything.

Mods?

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Aw yay someone changed our title thanks benevolent TVIV gods

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Shan is so bad at social politicking it's making me realize that the eliminated Ua tribe people were all colossal idiots to let her run over them like that.

The fact that yet another 2 tribals have gone by with ZERO idols played blows my mind. At least they did have the initiative to flush one (as sad as I am to see Naseer go) but Shan being able to coast with her advantages shows me how stupid people are.

Her insistence on the votes going her way is so grating. I know everyone's tensions are super high due to the complete lack of food but having inter-alliance flexibility is a hallmark of nearly every winner...I don't know how a fan wouldn't know that.

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I think Xanders game is weird because he's had an odd survivor journey.

He started by finding an unprecedented advantage immediately that stole his vote until the rest of the game caught up to him. Then his tribe imploded and he had no agency (by no fault of his own) in any of those votes. He still survived though, to his credit.

Then once tribes shuffled/merged he finally got the ability to vote but the 2 random tribe splits dumped him on the outside of the power alliance that was established from a pre merge tribe he literally couldn't interact with. Admittedly one time he purposefully put himself out of the group but to be honest with his yellow tribe folks being on the outside, it was IMO a good choice since it gave him potential allies and potential for an advantage that he sadly didn't find.

His fakeout on Liana was a masterstroke, period, and while he missed a weird opportunity to force Danny and Deshawns hands with his extra vote this past week, that was a pretty sharp strategic move that I can forgive a starving guy for not coming up with, particularly while he's immune and his immediate life isn't in danger.

He's been forced to play from behind the whole game due to his finding of an advantage he couldn't have known would have THAT downside, and being lottoed onto a lovely team that lost a lot so he couldn't be in the huge alliance. That's forced him to have to win, which makes him a threat, however he has no other choice.

I promise Im not Xanders mom or anything, I just think he's done well so far with the hand he's dealt.

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The all stars Australian survivor is my favorite season of anything all time. So good.

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blue squares posted:

I’m gonna get paramount plus and watch some Australian survivor. Of the seasons available, which should I start with? Keep in mind I am skeptical about the length so I want to watch one that convinces me that it’s worth all that time, so recommend the best rather than just saying to start with the earliest and watch them all

Thanks!

Both champs vs contenders ones are very good, and all stars is imo the best season of survivor ever made. The most recent one is very very good too. With the exception of the first "new" Aus season, you kinda can't go wrong tbh

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Also, I don't get the Xander hate. He HAS been someone who has exhibited qualities of an ally, and why should he not give his best effort to win? He hasn't had any racially motivated votes, and he may be voting off POC because they are a threat to beat him in the end, irrespective of their race.

Now I could understand Heather hate since when she was called upon she acted like she was ignorant to the plight of the black community in recent years which is absurd.

I feel like I'm doing a lot of Xander backing ITT, despite actually rooting for Deshawn and Danny the whole way, but I definitely feel like he gets too much hate, and seems like a good kid.

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Sighence posted:

I gotta ask, as someone who only saw their latest season, what the hype is.

Watch Heroes vs Villains. Apart from all that it's an incredible season.

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Brass posted:

I love that Deshawn mentioned a family-centric reward, and Jeff says along the lines of: "wow I cant please you." loving Jeff.

I'm realizing this season must have had a huge budget cut, which explains a lot.

This was was filmed during covid. They aren't going to fly out family members and quarantine them /etc. They could have at least done letters or something I guess.

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I dunno it's the exact case of the prisoners dilemma, which has already been heavily featured for them this season so I can understand the fear or agreeing to that and just getting axed by your partner.

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Finally got caught up on this thread after having to delay my finale watch due to real life and wow I never thought people here would care about ratings. I'd watch survivor if they put it out on dailymotion, and I thought the season was good and had a deserving winner. She killed it at final tribal, while the other two poo poo the bed.

Under-edited early, yes, but if they showed a bunch of Erika content while they were never having a vote, it would be obvious they were setting her up for a win, so they have to show where the action is.

Also Russell Hantz is a fat chode so don't listen to anything that moron says. Sorry they're spoiling your precious game with such evils as more than one black person or *gasp* a gay person [/sarcasm]

After show was fine I thought too. You guys forget, the normal after shows include bullshit segments about asking kids things or fellating Cochran so this is a welcome reprieve imo, despite Jeff's insane champagne and pizza combination.

Finale good. Show good. Can't wait for S42.

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blue squares posted:

Which South African and New Zealand seasons are worth watching? All of them?

The latest SA season has a phenomenal cast. Also, I looked up how much money they win and it's not even $100k USD which is wild. It's like 65k.

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I can try to whip something up but it won't be until Friday at the earliest. Have quite a busy week. This has been in the back of my mind, just need to find time to dedicate to it. Stay tuned this weekend. At least will have it up before premiere!

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Hey we need a new thread.

GOOD THING THERE IS ONE NOW!

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3995852

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