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I do rich peoples gardening, and even the more seemingly humble down to earth ones (who may put out progressive signs/flags and little Buddha statues, or claim they want to be close to nature) own multiple properties, usually with lots of lawn. They pay me to use gas powered weedwackers leafblowers and chainsaws for hours in order to make their property look nice, and then haul the brush and leaves away with diesel trucks. Sometimes they are not at these homes even 50% of the year. I'd love to bring this thread energy to them (strictly conversationally of course) but I fear I'd lose my job. Why do I do it? Well aside from *gestures at a large easel that reads CAPATALISM*, I like physical work and being in nature. I get to plant and care for all sorts of vegetables, trees, and flowers, and sometimes I get to watch wildlife interact (a half dozen horses lazily herd irritated geese around a paddock, a fox shows off its dance moves and poses for us, a porcupine brazenly and sloppily prunes a tree we were meant to prune). Plus my bosses are great and have the utmost consideration for us when it comes to our health and personal matters, unlike basically every other job I've had. They know my "politics" and cheekily describe what we do as "micro wealth redistribution". I can work basically every daylight hour 6 days a week for most of the year, and I get to work through the winter shoveling and doing firewood. If that doesn't sound like a good thing to you, consider the ramifications of more time off, less money, an appetite for news and a great thirst and capacity for whiskey. Anyway I guess this is my confession of complicity in society, but surely we all have one as you can't shitpost living off the grid as an uncompromising naturalist. Is there any kind of running bets on how long before we see eco-terrorist planeteers summon a wrathful avatar of Gaia to put an immediate halt to our unstoppable trajectory of short sighted greed? *note* you can't speculate or bet if that describes you. Well I guess if you're a wrathful avatar of Gaia you can do whatever you please and I suppose I should kneel before you and appeal for absolution.
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Apr 14, 2022 15:04
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Hexigrammus posted:I'm not sure about cancel culture (1950s communist witch hunts and all that) but it feels like these people need to be shunned hard. Not saying thats you. quote:At least try to get them to consume their way out of the problem by replacing the gas tools with electric (and lots and lots of batteries). Cleaning up the mess left by climate change storms is so much nicer when you aren't breathing 2 cycle smoke and the new electrics are awesome. Our (small) company owns our equipment and has been slowly integrating battery powered stuff, but there are obvious logistical difficulties (and my bosses live much more similarily to me than our clients). We are lucky to have a network of local produce, meat, and eggs and frequently "joke" about our survivalist commune after the collapse. Ultimately another example of the little guy (individuals, laborers, small businesses) being faced with making sacrifices that will not nearly be enough, while staring clear eyed into the machine that ends the world opening its maw ever wider.
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Apr 14, 2022 16:37
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Karach posted:why don't we just cancel climate change then?? deplatformed, it can't hurt us any more. Cancel everything. Grab all your possessions and jump into a landfill. Throws dirt at passersby. Hiss and bare your teeth at your own reflection.
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Apr 14, 2022 17:01
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Karach posted:just chilling in a hole, squishing passersby between my thumb and forefinger, shouting "canceled!" and getting high-fived by Bean Dad. I understood (part of) that reference. I assume bean daddy is a sexual thing and will not be dissuaded from that conclusion.
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Apr 14, 2022 18:24
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Dixon Chisholm posted:Lol shut the gently caress up Yeah just gonna keep advocating for Trans acceptance and indeed existence to people I encounter, as crusty rural white men call me *luckily doesn't occur often where I live or within earshot, am personally a crusty rural white man, and cis to boot but ya probably guessed that Karach posted:semi-celebrity John Roderick torpedoed his own podcasting career by being belligerent with his followers on twitter. he was eventually outed as a (mild??) sex pervert. it was some weird twittersphere flashpoint that got way more media attention than it deserved. thanks for the beans daddy
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Apr 15, 2022 00:49
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Minera posted:thank you white cis man for taking the time to make both trans rights and biosphere collapse all about you I actually exist mostly entirely as me (sorry Omar!) but thanks for sharing your energy with me.
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Apr 15, 2022 03:19
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Tungsten posted:tell us more about your phrenology-level views on (((bodily integrity))) So we do want to talk about me or what. As a 12 year old I didn't appreciate why some folks can say the nword but others can't. Through discussing and listening and giving a gently caress I overcame that narrow minded take. I'm still here listening and giving a gently caress (though the challenges and nuances of the struggle of Trans people isn't exactly my main focus, it's climate). The whole point I've been getting at is building coalitions of people who want to fight against the discrimination, exploitation, and cruelty that so many face under our current unsustainable and doomed systems. I asked if having a view like mine was reason to turn away allies (especially with red states putting bounties on Trans kids and separating families) and explicitly stated my support of Trans people and their right to choose their own medical treatments. Even in D&D the result was a reactionary dogpile, so I don't expect anything constructive here in where we delight in flaming dunks. And the Trans sports thread has been through enough. Ultimately it doesn't matter how I feel about this to anybody but myself and those who know me, but surely you agree that being able to discuss these things is important, and we should strive to identify who is being a hateful troll vs who is interested in sincere discussion. If you're interested in that sincere discussion, PM me or point me at a subforum or thread where it won't be seen as trolling. Also the dsa green new deal zoom was last night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfIEitP8DI4. I know, lol lmao but it helps me at least to see people talking about this in a serious way. Most of my people consider me a doomer (though they're not likely familiar with the term) and it really is frustrating gaslighting just because they won't sincerely engage with the issue.
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Apr 15, 2022 15:34
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Cloks posted:did you have stairs in your house
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Apr 15, 2022 22:18
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God Hole posted:i'm willing to bet some of those lone wolf serial murderer-rapist dolphins went crazy because they watched their whole pod die in a fishing net or something. I would also probably get pretty homicidal if there were radar pings and ship engines bouncing sound waves all over loving everything and directly into my earholes at all times as my habitat got more and more inundated with plastic, trash, unrefined oil, and toxic chemicals. Frame that thought of mankind becoming an objective enemy of.natural balanced life with our increasing rates of mental health crises and general societal failures. We are connected to this world.. We are a marvel and could be nature's most powerful advocate if we correct.
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Apr 16, 2022 06:40
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My father at Easter dinner said both "imagine what would happen without police" and "with what's happening in the world we can't address climate change right now". I have bellowed and roared myself hoarse, my blood is largely bourbon, and the amount of curses damnation and doom I have ascribed to the world as we maintain it may have echoed back in time and in fact brought us to the very course we're on. Edit mb that
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Apr 18, 2022 02:54
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What with wind, street noise, fan from the pub kitchen, and my climate-news-follower whiskey and edibles, I was unaware of my surroundings as I phone posted on SA while having a cig outside my apartment. The leaves suddenly sounded different... I heard a faint snuffling. I looked up, momentarily blinded from my phone. Where's the sidewalk? An adult black bear was at my feet. Directly in front of me, next to me. My "whoah poo poo" sent it off like a cannonball as fast as I could dive back inside. I now remember hearing something in the woods a few nights back and standing at the woodline yelling for it to identify itself (climate-news-follower demands nightly treatment), now I feel guilty for reacting fearfully to the peaceful yet powerful response. Still, bears and humans shouldn't get too comfortable. It's name is Stinkford btw as I reckon its the bear I've watched pillaging the dumpster. Oh, yesterday as we ate lunch at work a fox walked up to us on the stone wall in the center of town where we feasted. 30' away it came, sat and posed at us. We feared it was rabid until it hopped after some ground birds in a thicket, doing showy fox jumps. Feeling guilty again for being able to live such a fine life adjacent to nature, knowing what it will cost, and that it will hurt the least complicit most of all (native populations and impoverished masses in addition to the beautiful natural world). At least Stinkford doesn't know. I'm in no state to be tactful but my sincerest hugs and strength to parent climate goons. Stay strong for your budding planeteers.
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May 8, 2022 05:35
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I've had discussions about composting the rich, and horticulturists agree you don't want that in your compost. Much like you don't want bittersweet or japanese knotweed in there, that's what the burn pile is for. In short food garbage is more wholesome and sustaining than the ruling class.
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May 15, 2022 03:56
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Wanting to tell people not to use ACs yet aware some places are nearly (and soon entirely) uninhabitable without them. The dudes from South America on rival landscaping crews always wear full coverage, no matter how much heat humidity or sun. I think it would empower individuals to be more comfortable without unsustainable comforts, but then I have my own compromises so lol lmao I guess.
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May 22, 2022 23:59
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Lotus: Sodium Vapor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPAqjEVhlZs Let the credits roll, this is our movie Turn on the bright lights, let everyone see Let the credits roll over all of this beauty Let the credits roll Let the credits roll Lotus: Eats the Light https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MDJWC5ySPA Paralyzed by my own thoughts I can't escape the noise Situation overwrought Action is destroyed Superimposed on myself The ghost in the machine Connections everywhere, but what is in between It's on my hands, it's in my head It's all around, it's everywhere It's on my screen, it's all I see It eats the light, it's a machine
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Nov 15, 2022 01:41
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I'm a freak who constantly talks about this stuff (sometimes to the discomfort annoyance or horror of people around me). You know what's helped get a few people on-board the "wow gently caress us our way of life has to end"? Pointing out the obvious tortured "up-shot/reason to hope" at the end of every climate article and interview. It's like a rule in journalism apparently, to have a cheery little delusion at the end of your spiel. "Well the boat is taking on water faster than we are bailing. The poor were assigned to full bailing shifts, but they are dying too quickly. Many people upship are amassing buckets to make new, smaller ships. Every ounce of water the ship takes on causes it to sink that much faster, and if everybody isn't bailing non stop within 24 hours we will never recover." "Alarming stuff Jim, but surely there's some good news?" "Yes. We haven't sank yet. Plus, I've managed to get 6 buckets already. I plan to make a floating Adirondack chair." "Haha, thanks Jim and enjoy the weekend! Next up, could climate activists be responsible for your rising energy prices?" The mandatory copium upshot is so blatant even some of my coworkers had to concede that, wow yeah nobody's at the wheel and we aren't gonna stop trashing this world until something stops us or we finish the job.
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Nov 19, 2022 14:58
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Shady Amish Terror posted:I think some part of the problem is that even people making the propaganda inside the machine that mulches humanity to make dollars have started to buy their own bullshit a little bit. Consequences have failed to materialize for the excesses of the elite (especially the American elite) so many times that no small number of politicians and businessmen actually, truly believe the prosperity gospel line that wealth is God's way of communicating with humanity. So people who theoretically have some power to sway discourse and are aware that climate change is real and could theoretically negatively impact them drift along because there was never a nuclear exchange in the Cold War, we (mostly) stopped producing CFCs before the ozone tore all the way open and cooked us all, and even now the raging pandemics respond reasonably well to the insanely-expensive treatments mostly limited to the wealthy. In my experience this attitude is true of most Americans I talk to. Even people disgusted at how the wealthy live aren't interested in giving up anything themselves. That we could be doing so much (somewhat irreversible) damage on a global scale just can't be true. If you push em enough you'll discover its fine if we commit a climate genocide half a world away, because little Timmy should enjoy the good life America promised him.
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Dec 5, 2022 19:12
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FlapYoJacks posted:Asking individuals to sacrifice their lifestyles constantly is incredibly draining and annoying when the factory 20 miles away outputs more CO2 in a week than you could in a year, and the government doesn’t give a poo poo about the factory. Oh I totally agree, from a justice and equity perspective it's hosed. But the message that the problem is all of us (the way we all live) is important to me. Drawing a circle around some group of people and blaming them is everybody's go to, but nobody includes themselves in that circle. As you're aware, meaningful action regarding preserving the climate and biosphere would inherently mean the way of life we currently enjoy (where I live anyway) cannot continue. Anyway HAVE YOU STARTED YOUR CHRISTMAS SHOPPING YET HOW ABOUT THOSE SUPERBOWL COMMERCIALS
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Dec 5, 2022 23:11
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At least the graphs are about to flare.
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Dec 18, 2022 20:49
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This thread really helps me be mr christmas party. Folks telling me how thankful I should be and such (actually didn't get much of that this year thankfully).
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Dec 26, 2022 02:29
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Honestly the jump to "and that's why it all needs to collapse" is where I lose people (for obvious reasons), after I've tried to dismiss whatever group or particular thing they try to lay blame upon. Except global capitalism of course :nod: But plenty of people are at or on the brink of "gently caress this" in a variety of ways. What's interesting is IMO what otherwise holds people back isn't even their personal comfort but more a "this can't have been wrong/we have to preserve our achievements". A noble but ultimately vain worldview. Hubris. Like "If everybody thought like you, we'd never have gotten to where we are now!" -"thank you. You honor me."
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Dec 26, 2022 04:19
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FistEnergy posted:it's 2023 already, and we're still not bending the extinction curve. The only path for real change left to us is [REDACTED] Hell I've met older childless single dudes who are like "you may be right, but I gotta look out for me. If [disruption] happens I could lose my retirement!" I guess we're all hostages of this in a way, but drat I'd really prefer to hear people be a little less openly selfish. Especially if they go with the "well you drive a car / buy literally anything/ have access to first world material comforts you know, what are YOU doing?!"
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Jan 2, 2023 18:02
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FlapYoJacks posted:Individuals shouldn’t be accosted for being selfish when the government doesn’t care about the factory down the road dumping more co2 in the air in a Think you misread my post. This isn't a person who wants the government to disrupt the economy by enacting climate preservation measures for real (it would hurt the markets / weaken the US you see)
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Jan 2, 2023 18:14
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Nudging people toward appreciation of nature and disgust with the world we've built and are responsible for, with some levity to offset the self loathing. It's like carbon credits I reckon. But unironically.
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Jan 3, 2023 00:47
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a strange fowl posted:in australia, the priorities of just about every retiree i know has abruptly switched from "travel the world and build myself a stupid tiny castle" to "avoid residential care at all costs". it's a coup for capitalism, because care is a financial black hole where there's always a more expensive, better option and terrified old people will pour everything they own into it until they die. I totally agree and have older parents saying stuff like "why go to the doctor to find out I have something I can't afford to deal with it costs money to even talk about it" and also feel the same as my local doctor became part lf a big health company and then retired (he was super old though).
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Jan 3, 2023 03:46
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Are the scary bugs safe? What of the monstrous biological pain tank larvael dobsonfly? Trippinn n fishin at night once and that thing freaked the hell out of me somehow. It's even got hell in the name! Hellgrammite! (Your spelling may vary) I just like to think they're still out there, freaking out kids or even pinching their fingers to then be used as bait. Also lol that afair the males pincers (as dobsonflies) get so big they are basically like sex decorations, while the female retains use of hers. I did not look this up feel free to correct me.
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Jan 4, 2023 01:09
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Climate Crisis OOPS All Capital! Have you considered the economy I mean do you know how many jobs are at stake I see you have a cell phone
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Jan 13, 2023 05:25
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But is the biosphere a sandwich?
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Jan 15, 2023 16:40
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What's sadder and more infuriating than the grim topic we discuss here is the various in person responses from people out there, denial and coping and insanity. "This has happened before" "We always innovate and build it'll be fine" "Your life seems good you should be grateful" "Illuminati/God/aliens won't let that happen" Or just flat out "you're wrong it's not that bad in fact it's getting better because [x]"
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Jan 15, 2023 18:11
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Rectal Death Adept posted:it's been weirdly contentious for me Wow that's the third time I've heard geologist associated with climate stupidity, had a dude from the "actually its getting better you're wrong" camp smugly quote a geologist as his source. Like blatantly "what do you know, a geologist told me we're fine". Think I know a geologist from back in school gotta ask her why that seems to to a thing.
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Jan 15, 2023 21:19
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Wish people were more usocial, I'm an outsider counterculture stereotype but I'd latch onto a wasp and flap my bee wings are hard as possible to protect a colony I believed in.
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Jan 15, 2023 23:07
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Stereotype posted:the important thing to remember is that we need a large systemic solution and that any small individual solution is pointless and can be ignored. that way there isn't any specific project that is bad. oh you want to bulldoze a bunch of forests and build a parking lot there? sounds fine. we need a systemic solution to us destroying the environment after all. Market based solutions that allow people to dismiss the peril looming over everything we know, in service of short sighted greed. Nobody's fault, nobody's problem! "Smart people are working hard to solve this you know and I see you have a cell phone so maybe you're not as committed as you pretend to be!" Hmm excellent good point, so you're saying you want to be part of me getting committed for real huh sounds rad should I wear your skin like a suit and wear it while I dance around the carefully constructed bone cairn I make of your remains? What do you mean you're cutting me off?!?!? It's a pun get it?
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Jan 17, 2023 01:12
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m642MXtT3zo
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Jan 17, 2023 05:33
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Rexicon1 posted:every time I read this thread I’m reminded why I don’t read it much. I can’t deal with it and there’s nothing anyone can do and it’s probably better just to close the thread because we’re big time hosed. This is a really helpful place if your life is largely full of people who practice gaslighting toxic positivity or straight up selfish complicity in the face of (Do not take biosphere thread if you cannot embrace nothing matters. Anxiety, self-loathing, and "being a downer" may occur. Talk to your mod if you experience excessive lol.lmao!)
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Jan 23, 2023 05:48
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Changed my climate/biosphere analogy recently. We were a trait hurtling towards a cliff, we were going to lose some cars but we could still hit the brakes. Now we're a train hurtling towards a cliff and we don't have brakes, and even if we slow down the weight of the cars going over will pull this whole operation down anyway. Is that about right? For the purposes of explaining "lol.lmao" to those who find it unseemly. Again this is an analogy I share with the uninitiated.
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Jan 25, 2023 13:59
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FlapYoJacks posted:Most people in my circle understand that climate change is happening, governments aren’t/won’t do poo poo about it until it’s too late, and it’s already too late. Started to write a response to this with some grit or w/e and... oof 
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Jan 26, 2023 02:29
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Its a bio-bulb. It's had a big *year, but it's time to die back and chill for awhile. *Thousand(s)? Millions?
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Jan 27, 2023 01:43
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Highly funded tech startup develops a massive "microplastic magnet", touted and praised by all media outlets (finally we can... keep doing what we've been doing!) A crazed scientist activates it - "SHARE YOUR MICROPLASTICS WITH ME" - turning every living thing but himself within several miles into a fine red mist. He admires the gigantic sphere of plastic. His radio crackles "CAST IT INTO THE SUN, DOCTOR!" He slowly smirks, isildur-ishly. "....No" Katamari damacy origin movie.
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Jan 29, 2023 20:18
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Stereotype posted:. chaos reigns. Almost certainly an improvement compared to earnestly building a machine to shepard us and the rest of the world as we know it it into annihilation.
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Feb 7, 2023 03:59
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I stopped reading this thread for awhile because I didn't want anymore ammo. I just caught up over the past day or two and I guess it was always still there... its drumbeat echoing in my heart. * Lol * Lol * Lol * LMAO Yet I still draw breath(?!?!?!?)
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Mar 22, 2023 02:01
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Along as we get to ASSEMBLE and then punch something in the dick.
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