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Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

"Let him speak!"
reading through the old thread gave me an odd sense of peace and appreciation for things so I'm here for a new round.

good vibes music tax: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ekk2ipKAw#t=35s

actual music tax: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0nmHymgM7Y#t=25s

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Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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https://twitter.com/sawyerhackett/status/1439976012188692496?s=21
https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1439989195871825921
https://twitter.com/johnholman100/status/1439948289680363527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTFnKJqcPks

maybe not strictly climate news but remember that last month Haiti suffered a bunch of disasters (tropical storm, flooding, earthquake, slides) on top of political/economic stuff happening. feels like one of those more and worse things happening.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Rectal Death Adept posted:

This is definitely climate related because this is how our "Most Progressive President" is handling increased flows of migrants when climate refugees are going to make these numbers look like nothing.

yeah, it made me think of that part in the op about reporting on disasters and unrest overseas, then reporting on migrants showing up but the closest conclusion/connection drawn from it is

Koirhor posted:

start mowing them down in the next administration

:smith:

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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can relate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lobbo-NS7iA

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Leonard Cohen is awesome but preferred this version of the partisan, especially the yelling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG_ZEovDDKk

also if you're talking number/eating people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCS8mGI4o7U

'murica

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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a crack/ping? https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1443325746932502530

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Enfys posted:

"Plastic production, meanwhile, is projected to double within 20 years."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gj47G2e1Jc

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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idk if its been seen but

https://www.reuters.com/business/cop/al-gore-launches-climate-change-asset-manager-2021-10-27/

quote:

Oct 27 (Reuters) - Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore and financier David Blood have set up a new asset manager to address global net-zero carbon emissions as countries come under increasing pressure to slow climate change and achieve carbon neutrality.

Just Climate, which will be launched on Wednesday, plans to invest in solutions that will help to limit global temperature rises to 1.5 degrees Celsius.

Just Climate has been founded to do the hard yards of addressing the most difficult to decarbonise segments of the global economy that investors have ignored until now, Blood said.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y9PDeZrKic
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/10/more-than-30000-flee-to-chad-to-escape-violence-in-cameroon-un

quote:

Violence broke out in the border village of Ouloumsa on Sunday in a dispute between herders, fishermen and farmers over dwindling water resources, the UNHCR said in a statement on Friday issued from Geneva.

It then spread to neighbouring villages, 10 of which have been burned to the ground.

The clashes have displaced thousands in the country, “forcing more than 30,000 people to flee to neighbouring Chad”, the UNHCR said.

“At least 22 people have been killed and 30 others seriously injured during several days of ongoing fighting.”

The violence is unfolding in Logone-Chari in Cameroon’s Far North Region – the tongue of land that lies between Nigeria to the west and Chad to the east.

The UN figures for those seeking refuge, and the death toll, are far higher than numbers given on Wednesday by other sources.

The Chadian Red Cross had said there were at least 3,000 refugees, although the number was likely to grow, while the Cameroonian authorities said at least four had died.

Almost 80 percent of the new arrivals are women, many of them pregnant, and children, the UNHCR said.

They have found refuge in the Chadian capital N’Djamena and villages along Chad’s bank of the Logone River.

The UNHCR said at least 10,000 have fled to N’Djamena from Kousseri, a town of 200,000 people whose cattle market was destroyed in the fighting.

Chad’s military government leader Mahamat Idriss Deby Itno on Wednesday issued a statement to say the situation was “worrying” and appealed to international donors to help the arrivals.

A bout of fighting between herders and fishermen in August led to 45 deaths and an influx of at least 10,000 people into Chad.

As in the latest incident, the fighting began over management and access to water, the Cameroonian authorities say.

Violent conflict between ethnic groups is relatively rare in Cameroon compared with Chad and Nigeria, where fighting over resources between semi-nomadic herders and sedentary farmers is frequent.

something something funny feeling

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Shima Honnou posted:

americans crave death because that's better than having to live or work in america

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/covid-new-york-life-expectancy-experts-centers-for-disease-control-and-prevention-b1980516.html

quote:

U.S. health officials say 2021 is shaping up to be even deadlier than last year.

It's too early to say for sure, since all the death reports for November and December won’t be in for many weeks. But based on available information, it seems likely 2021 will surpass last year's record number of deaths by at least 15,000, said Robert Anderson, who oversees the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention s death statistics.

Last year was the most lethal in U.S. history, due largely to the COVID-19 pandemic. A CDC report being released Wednesday shows 2020 was actually even worse than the agency previously reported.

The report presents a final tally for last year of about 3.384 million U.S. deaths, about 25,000 more than a provisional count released earlier this year. Such jumps between provisional and final numbers are common, but 2020's difference was higher than usual because of a lag in death records from some states that switched to new electronic reporting systems, Anderson said.

The CDC this week also revised its estimate of life expectancy for 2020. Life expectancy at birth that year was 77 years, a decrease of 1.8 years from 2019. The agency previously estimated the decline at 1.5 years.

....
Experts also think the 2021 numbers will be affected by a drug overdose epidemic that is expected to — for the first time — surpass 100,000 deaths in a calendar year.
....
Officials had hoped COVID-19 vaccines would slash the death count. But vaccinations became available gradually this year, with only 7 million fully vaccinated at the end of January and 63 million at the end of March.

Since then, many Americans have chosen not to get vaccinated. The CDC says 204 million Americans are fully vaccinated — or about 65% of the U.S. population that are age 5 and older and eligible for shots.


not strictly climate related, but

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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seems bad
https://mobile.twitter.com/ZLabe/status/1474185444002832384
https://mobile.twitter.com/NSIDC/status/1474032305593327617

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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IAMKOREA posted:

No it's okay, have you read the IPCC reports? All according to plan don't worry.

currently finding comfort in the NY pension fund commitment to carbon neutral sources by 2040 :unsmith:

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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West Virginia has two

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Panhandle_of_West_Virginia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Panhandle_of_West_Virginia

porkbarrel/Manchin joke in here somewhere?

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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thinking of the "head in to the woods and dig a shelter that doubles as a grave/tomb" plan :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skcqFTi3s_A

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD65K4VR6Lw

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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my bony fealty posted:

good morning thread. how hosed are we today?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBHKd-xdue0

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

well that means it was that bad at least once before so it's not a problem if it's that bad now

nice try doomer

In a similar vein

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/8/13-million-face-hunger-in-horn-of-africa-as-drought-worsens-un
https://news.sky.com/story/east-afr...hunger-12536189

safety warning for some of the pics I guess

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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on top of the other stuff Madagascar was dealing with

https://abcnews.go.com/International/cyclone-batsirai-leaves-dozen-dead-thousands-homeless-madagascar/story?id=82719663

unrelated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BNh7zpBoBU

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Mayor Dave posted:

trees do nothing for California except explode


https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-02/wildfire-breaks-out-in-cleveland-national-forest

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/02/16/california-wildfire-bishop-airport-evacuations/6823376001/

related
https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/49738/20220304/california-wildfire-blamed-increased-fecal-bacteria-cloudiness-coastal-waters.htm

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Karach posted:

what are all the things we have to learn to live with?

1. covid (and presumably any disease requiring management by public health agencies going forward)
2. permanently compromised air quality
3. loss of biodiversity
4. bioaccumulating heavy metals in your cells from conception onward
5. soil degradation
6. nuclear war, and fallout therefrom
7. supervolcano(es)
8. police violence
9. hyperthermia
10. ???

that's just off the top of my dome

water stuff/lack thereof is a thing

inevitable ~monetizing~ of all this

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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this summer is going to be something huh

followed by an election by the most heavily armed/twitchy populace on the planet lol lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7OvPTmhtiY

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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smoobles posted:

Is there any good sci fi about future humans fighting wars over Antarctica since it's the last habitable place on the planet

couldve sworn this was based on a book but apparently its just grognard stuff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_the_Ice

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/9238/war-ice-battle-seventh-continent-1991-92

will have to check out that goon game

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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T-Paine posted:

https://twitter.com/luckytran/status/1511458234749620231
Did someone send out a memo or something? Why is all this almost-identical cope appearing this week

iirc one of the main lessons from the Dubya years was that "hope is not a strategy." something something tragedy then as farce.

also a lot of the don't worry be happy-cope stuff reads like "we're confident our personal comfort won't be affected by this anyime soon and it'd great if the rest of you got on board with that." draw what conclusions you will i guess.

in the meantime enjoy what you can while can since the future is lol lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egX9N8yOgaU

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1511702664266096646
https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1511694531636641794
https://thehill.com/policy/equilibr...n-5-4-decision/

not strictly climate but lol

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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https://www.wired.com/story/as-climate-fears-mount-some-are-relocating-within-the-us/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

quote:

Keenan, who studies the intersection of climate change adaptation and the built environment, estimated that 50 million Americans could eventually move within the country to regions such as New England or the Upper Midwest in search of a haven from severe climate impacts. He predicted that migration driven by increasingly uninhabitable coastal areas is likely to happen sooner rather than later, citing the latest federal estimate that US coastal sea levels will rise by as much as a foot by 2050. Another projection, by Matthew Hauer, an assistant professor of sociology at Florida State University, is that 13.1 million Americans will relocate because of sea level rise alone by 2100, based on projections that seas along the US coast will rise by an average of 1.8 meters—nearly 6 feet—by then.

.............

“We left in 2020 after getting tired of being evacuated in the middle of the night by a policeman saying, ‘Pack your cars, take your dogs, don’t pick up anything, just go,’” said Parvin.

As they became convinced that they could no longer live in Sonoma, they briefly considered Bend, Oregon, but dismissed that because it too had fire problems. They looked at Austin, Texas, but decided that would be too hot. They concluded it was time for a move out of the West altogether.

also my unironic apocalypse plan was jerking off and mst3k repeats and i make no apologies.

gonna chill till i can't.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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https://twitter.com/coledelbyck/status/1516467893143232516

:hmmyes: valid point

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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I think this has come up before but

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/57-billion-tons-of-top-soil-have-eroded-in-the-midwest-in-the-last-160-years-180979936/

quote:

More Than 50 Billion Tons of Top Soil Have Eroded in the Midwest, The estimate of annual loss is nearly double the rate of erosion the USDA considers sustainable

Since farmers began tilling the land in the Midwest 160 years ago, 57.6 billion metric tons of topsoil have eroded, according to a study published recently in Earth's Future. The loss has occurred despite conservation efforts implemented in the 1930s after the Dust Bowl, and the erosion rate is estimated to be double what the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) says is sustainable. Future crop production could be severely limited if it continues, reports Rachel Crowell for Science News.

Degraded soil makes growing food more difficult and expensive. Without healthy soil, farmers won't be able to grow nutrient-dense food to feed our growing population. The calculated loss in the region is part of a critical issue; some experts suspect that Earth will run out of usable topsoil within 60 years.

The research team had help from the Iowa Natural Heritage Foundation to identify sites for the study. On average, farmed fields were 1.2 feet below the prairie, per Science News. After measuring soil height in each area, the team found that, on average, topsoil is eroding at a rate of 1.9 millimeters per year, Harvest Public Media reports.

When topsoil erodes, the nutrients crops need go with it, making it more difficult for soil to store water and support plant growth. Farmers can lose 50 to 70 percent of their yield potential because of the loss of topsoil, reports Harvest Public Media. Rapid erosion is a problem because recovering topsoil is a slow process that takes years. Generating just over an inch of topsoil takes 1,000 years, said Maria-Helena Semedo of the United Nation's Food and Agriculture Organization in 2014.

going to assume the situation is actually far worse/more dire since that's how these things usually work.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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SniperWoreConverse posted:

Oh we only blew through 12,000 years of generation in 160 years of use, that only means we uh use 75 years per year that doesn't seem uh

Uh

recently had a legit crack ping moment over the idea of tens-of-millions of years of solar output, life and death, huge planetary forces etc. just so we could make plastic easter eggs and trash bags lol lmao.

Also from the doomsday econ thread this seems like a canary in the coal mine thing https://archive.ph/2022.04.21-003232/https://www.ft.com/content/3e071d7a-2b6d-40a9-8aaf-a4fb3992d592

quote:

UN asks Sri Lanka to negotiate ‘debt-for-nature’ swaps to ease economic meltdown
Indian Ocean island nation has been rocked by protests against food, medicine and fuel shortages

The UN has asked Sri Lanka to introduce a temporary basic income and negotiate “debt-for-nature” swaps tied to environmental conservation as part of measures to mitigate the country’s economic meltdown, as Colombo begins talks with the IMF.
The UN Development Programme made the proposals in a document seen by the Financial Times that was submitted to President Gotabaya Rajapaksa’s government and that will be reviewed by the cabinet that was sworn in this week.
Sri Lanka’s lack of foreign exchange has left the debt-laden island of 22mn unable to repay its loans, triggering an economic and political crisis with mass protests over shortages of food, fuel and medicine. Rajapaksa has faced sustained calls to resign.
............
“The IMF package, if it comes in, that is going to be an austerity package,” Kanni Wignaraja, the UNDP’s Asia director, told the FT. “So the government will have to, and they are considering very much, supporting the most vulnerable households with an immediate social protection flow.”
Among the UNDP’s requests is that Rajapaksa’s government introduce a temporary basic income, which would take the form of an unconditional cash transfer to working-age Sri Lankans for a period of about six to nine months. Similar programmes have been implemented in Kenya and the US state of Alaska.
...........
We’re “moving quite aggressively to see if the debt-for-nature swaps can be a big part of [a deal]. We’ve got to reduce our debt burden, not just keep restructuring it,” she said. “Sri Lanka has amazing natural resources that they can put [up] to draw down the debt.”

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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https://www.npr.org/2022/04/21/1093205632/air-quality-pollution-state-of-air-report

quote:

More than 137 million Americans live in areas with poor air quality, report finds

Despite decades of environmental efforts, over 40% of Americans — more than 137 million people — live in cities and states with poor air quality, a new report says. And, in addition to cars and factories, wildfires are increasingly contributing to unhealthy air.

For the past 22 years, the American Lung Association has produced its annual State of the Air report, which analyzes the air quality on a local level for communities across the country. This year's study found that more Americans were exposed to unhealthy air, at times deemed hazardous, compared to previous years.

In fact, more than 63 million people lived in counties that had dangerous levels of deadly particulate matter pollution — an increase of nearly 9 million over the last year. These particles are made up of dust, ash, soot and metals. They come from gas-powered vehicles and industrial plants, however in more recent years, dangerous spikes in particulate matter readings are coming from wildfires, which are burning hotter, faster and longer.

"The three years covered by [the report] ranked among the seven hottest years on record globally," the study said. "Spikes in particle pollution and high ozone days related to wildfires and extreme heat are putting millions more people at risk and adding challenges to the work that states and cities are doing across the nation to clean up air pollution."

Although wildfires take place all over the United States, the overwhelmingly majority happen in the West. That is why, according to the report, all but one of the top 25 worst cities with particulate matter pollution are west of the Rocky Mountains. The eastern outlier is Pittsburgh, which has historically had poor air quality because of its industrial facilities. That said, the city has been cleaning up its act and saw its lowest levels ever in this year's study.
..............

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Mayor Dave posted:

Oh my god lmao if this is the year of the wet bulb

recently learned about Jacobabad, Pakistan.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/hotter-human-body-can-handle-pakistan-city-broils-worlds-highest/
https://indianexpress.com/article/e...erance-7383104/
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2242855-climate-change-has-already-made-parts-of-the-world-too-hot-for-humans/
https://time.com/longform/jacobabad-extreme-heat/

quote:

“Jacobabad crossed the 35C wet bulb threshold in July 1987, then again in June 2005, June 2010 and July 2012. Each time it was breached for only a few hours, but a three-day average maximum temp hovered around 34C in June 2010, June 2001 and July 2012.”

going to assume its only gotten worse

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/humanity-is-stuck-in-a-spiral-of-self-destruction-un-warns-in-new-report/sofowk4ge

quote:

Humanity is suffering from a "broken perception of risk", spurring us into activities and behaviours that cause climate change and a surging number of disasters around the globe, the United Nations warned on Tuesday.

The UN Office for Disaster Risk Reduction (UNDRR) found in a new report that between 350 and 500 medium to large-scale disasters took place globally every year over the past two decades.

That is five times more than the average during the three preceding decades, it said.

And amid the changing climate, disastrous events brought on by drought, extreme temperatures and devastating flooding are expected to occur even more frequently in the future.

The report estimated that by 2030, we will be experiencing 560 disasters around the world every year — or 1.5 disasters every day on average.

UNDRR said in a statement that the sharp rise in disasters globally could be attributed to a "broken perception of risk based on optimism, underestimation and invincibility".

.........

Ignoring risks has come at a high price, with disasters around the world costing roughly $235 billion each year over the past decade, the report found.

But most of that is incurred in lower-income countries, which on average lose one per cent of their national GDP to disasters each year, compared to just 0.1 to 0.2 per cent in wealthier nations.

...and goes from there

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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^^i lol'd pretty good at it

this appears to be the actual report https://www.undrr.org/publication/global-assessment-report-disaster-risk-reduction-2022

unrelated; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUVDmVM9RtA

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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starkebn posted:

really felling this again

20,000 years of this, 7 more to go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObOqq1knVxs

https://twitter.com/EliotJacobson/status/1523803845549117440

(dudes twiter seems comfortably doomer)

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Mameluke posted:

i also recommend volunteering with troubled teenagers. you can get them to steal food and rob your enemies, and you can dress them all in matching spraypainted vests and call them something like "the bad rotifers"

a solid film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeshhQehpwo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_of_the_Hand

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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between biosphere death, economic and political stuff, the back half of this year is going to be something.

oh plus an election by one of the most heavily armed and psychotic populations on earth lol lmao.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwQjpHeD2OI

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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:lol: https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/3483271-trillion-dollar-question-how-do-we-finance-climate-solutions/

quote:

According to a recent analysis by Goldman Sachs, we need to invest another $2.8 trillion per year in climate solutions in order to reach the world’s net-zero emissions goals.

So, what are the mechanisms to shift trillions of dollars into new climate investments? Goldman’s suggestions: “A global carbon price, continued focus on sustainability in the capital markets and improved emissions disclosures from consumer companies.”

These are good starting points, albeit not exhaustive. Let’s look at each of these areas a bit more closely, as well as a few other sustainable finance instruments.

.............

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), the largest recipient of fossil fuel money in the Senate, continues to block a budget reconciliation bill that would invest $555 billion in clean energy. President Biden seems to have completely forgotten about his lofty climate agenda. And the Supreme Court appears poised to limit the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and other government agencies’ ability to regulate carbon.

On the bright side, the bipartisan infrastructure bill included $80 billion of clean energy and climate investments.

Perhaps the most promising government activity is coming from the Department of Energy loans office, famous for helping Tesla and other clean energy companies achieve scale. Last week, the agency announced it is providing loan guarantees of over $600 million for green hydrogen in Utah, and battery graphite production in Louisiana.

goes from there

dont worry everybody capital got this

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Minera posted:

things are starting to seem kind of bad lol

nah, bad things have happened in the past so its nbd that bad things happen now :)

content
https://twitter.com/kannbwx/status/1528832246936920065

https://twitter.com/kannbwx/status/1528850699416657922



https://twitter.com/JaanPill/status/1528061574069493764

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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jetz0r posted:

doesn't sound too scary, birds can just eat them while they're hopping around.

ehhh about that https://phys.org/news/2021-03-mass-bird-die-off-linked-wildfires.html

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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eh im sure its fine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10861331/Entirely-new-kind-highly-reactive-chemical-Earths-atmosphere.html

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Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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random https://apnews.com/article/floods-storms-caribbean-mexico-tropical-ac7b5e3592b945011799b9da0b980cb4

quote:

SAN ISIDRO DEL PALMAR, Mexico (AP) — Hurricane Agatha made history as the strongest hurricane ever recorded to come ashore in May during the eastern Pacific hurricane season, making landfall on a sparsely populated stretch of small beach towns and fishing villages in southern Mexico.

The storm hit Oaxaca state Monday afternoon as a strong Category 2 hurricane with maximum sustained winds of 105 mph (165kph), then quickly lost power as it moved inland over the mountainous interior.

Remnants of Agatha were moving northeast Tuesday into Veracruz state, with sustained winds down to 30 mph (45 kph). The U.S. National Hurricane Center said the storm should dissipate by the evening, but warned that the system’s heavy rains still posed a threat of dangerous floods for Mexico’s southern states.

clicking around some sites were saying there's a non-zero chance the system could reform in the caribbean.

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