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Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

goferchan posted:

Speaking of MTG advertising I remember back around like the M10 release every poster and piece of ad copy was like "YOU are a PLANESWALKER." and I wonder if that ever confused people about the rules and made them think stuff that targets planeswalkers can go face

Honestly that still fucks with me. I don't think I've ever actually misplayed because of that, but I end up doing a double take while reading cards sometimes because of that kind of flavor stuff before there were planeswalker cards.

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Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

It's too bad they can't just errata Wrenn's token to be legendary.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

I wouldn't be sad to see the chariot go since I do think that combo is currently hurting the diversity of the format, but I also think continuously expecting Wizards to knife the top cards in the meta and hope it shakes out into something better is itself a problem.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Very legible is overstating the case.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

neaden posted:

Legacy probably gets more play than pioneer right now.

It'll be interesting to see if the pioneer precons next month make a blip or no. I'm guessing no, but it feels like a format that starts more recently than Modern really should emerge at some point.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

I think part of the problem with Pioneer is just that it's a really stupid name.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Just to address the angry post seriously, I don't think anyone's suggesting people should replace their whole decks with proxies and never pay for cards again. But blowing up a bubble of artificial scarcity with reserved list poo poo from decades ago has nothing to do with supporting the artists, so if someone wants to proxy a Taiga, good for them. Obviously there's a huge middle ground between that and running proxy commons, and I think a lot of reasonable people could disagree about when exactly it's cool to do and when it isn't, but fortunately this isn't D&D so we don't have to have that argument.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Wizards won't care at all if Legacy dies.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

I feel like they don't print gold border just because they want people to forget about the reserve list as much as possible instead of opening the can of worms up and having more people want legal versions next. On the flip side, I think they've also decided that having super expensive cards from the game's past is a good thing that makes people want to buy current product even though the same conditions no longer apply. If the reserve list didn't exist, I'm not totally convinced that Wizards wouldn't find a way to create it even now.

Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Sep 30, 2021

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Arivia posted:

TBF, we have a short block right now with the two Innistrad sets, and they've definitely been seeding sets with mechanics that do interact well with each other.

At least some of the tribes are going to have different mechanics though. Maro's talked about hearing players' desire to see more mechanics exist beyond a single set (most notably the Zendikar/D&D stuff that was mentioned here), but other than presumably werewolves (because a third variation on transforming would be pretty nuts), I don't know that any others are guaranteed to be the same this time around.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

No idea who that guy is.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

There's going to be a Ravnica Remix draft with Guilds and Ravnica Allegiance on Arena next month, so that's basically a block. The new Innistrad sets are getting smashed together for limited in paper early next year too, and presumably Arena at some point. Did anyone draft Time Spiral remastered?

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Elblanco posted:

My issue with standard is that no matter what deck I play I suck, though I guess that's not standard's fault.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPX-wuplDvc

(Sorry if that comes across as mean. I assume it's not really as bad as you're saying and that you're being self deprecating though.)

Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Oct 1, 2021

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Strong Sauce posted:

played in my LGS's FNM swiss draft and went 3-0 with a dimir zombie deck

Congrats, that's rad.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Of course there can be ways to cheat costs like lotus cobra or reanimation or Lukka or whatever, and sometimes those cheats end up making cards too good, so they still have to be careful about it.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Jesus, those top eights being almost entirely two decks is pretty grim.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Gotta say I think banning is way better than that poo poo.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

If we do get some Standard bans, it should help a lot that the problem cards are from over a year ago instead of being from the new set.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Strong Sauce posted:

But look at this Japanese tournament. https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=32582&f=ST

The guy won with a Temur Deck and look no Alrund's Epiphany in it.. oh wait there's Esika's Chariot...

But what about this Dimir Control deck that placed 5-8... certainly that's a little diff.. oh it has Alrdun's Epiphany in it.

So if every single deck at Worlds has one of those two cards, does that make them both get banned?

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

I think it's pretty hard to ban Epiphany while letting the card that's probably winning more games stick around, even if it's hypothetically the fault of the first card.

Something I think would be cool is if Wizards used some variation of Standard Shakeup as part of their decision-making process on bans. LIke if a problem card or two shows up, throw up a new queue where people can beta test the post-ban environment to see if it's a marked improvement. I guess it's hard to get definitive answers on those sorts of things in an optional queue in a reasonable amount of time, but it would have to be more data than they have now.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

mandatory lesbian posted:

Has wotc promoted worlds at all? I feel like i learned it was happening two weeks ago

I feel like the Arena promotion probably draws more attention to it than anything pre-Arena could have.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Pablo Nergigante posted:

Might be a question with no good answer but what’s my best bet for getting back into (constructed) paper magic these days considering the last time I played IRL was… 2002. I’ve been playing on arena for a few months but I’d like to play in person again. Is my best option really just buying single cards? It’s intimidating when even a budget deck can run like $100. I wish somebody would just give me a ton of cards lol

Picking up a Commander precon is an option too, it just depends on what you're looking to do. People seem pretty high on the zombie precon from Midnight Hunt, so I picked one up because it seemed cool to me even though I have no idea if/when I'll actually play with it.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

I'm sure thread regulars know all about this, but I just saw it for the first time and thought it was hilarious.

https://twitter.com/the_binp/status/1447397745623457796

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

TheKingofSprings posted:

Give it a week

Why would they ban it in a week if they just decided not to do it until Crimson Vow?

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

TipTow posted:

They also make (made?) "planeswalker decks," which are just precons featuring a particular planeswalker. I'm pretty sure these are what were included in the deckbuilder toolkits.

They stopped making planeswalker decks in favor of commander precons, which you can also find for pretty cheap if you grab some from previous sets since, with the exception of any that have particularly valuable cards, they seem to get discounted when the new ones come out.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Oh yeah definitely ask your LGS for some of those training decks, they're free.

They stopped making welcome decks and now they just give out these:

https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Innistrad:_Midnight_Hunt/Welcome_booster

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Here's the reason they gave: "When we surveyed our engages players, only 4.7% started with a Welcome Deck," explains WotC in-store play specialist Jacob Nourigat. "Welcome Decks, and all new player-focused promo items we've used for the past few years, try to make learning Magic as simple as possible. But players don't play Magic because it's simple. They like the challenge."

IMO the welcome booster having an Arena code suggests to me that the real reason might be as much about steering new players there as anything though.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

GigaPeon posted:

I got one of these for like 10 bucks. It comes with an Arena code that can be redeemed twice so that's neat too.

https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/2021_Arena_Starter_Kit

The difference is that the welcome decks were free, you just had to ask for them at a LGS. I've heard good things about the starter kit for :10bux: though, yeah.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

The Dracula land is the only one of the cards that I think looks cool. Dracula's mostly just too generic since Magic and everything else already ripped it off to feel very unique to me, unlike Godzilla.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

The Shortest Path posted:



I'm a huge fan of Cleave if only because it enabled this joke.

It's a good joke.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

GonSmithe posted:

Ok I like a lot of the Dracula cards (especially Thalia), but if 60% of the cards are just going to be Dracula in different poses, maybe we should have chosen a different theme guys.

I agree that they should have done Twilight instead, especially with this being a wedding themed set.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Having no werewolves in Crimson Vow would leave a gaping hole in a tribal format though, what was the alternative? I do think the theming is obviously stronger/better here than in Midnight Hunt, so I'm not saying they did a perfect job or anything, just that dumping every werewolf worth playing in Midnight Hunt doesn't seem like the answer either.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Edit: gently caress, wrong thread.

Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Nov 4, 2021

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

That really is an absurd amount of text for such a boring card.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

LifeLynx posted:

I'm going to be have a sensible chuckle if the day/night thing with a permanent full moon doesn't involve Emrakul in any way.

I think that whole thing was supposed to be the catalyst, but Emrakul isn't actively involved beyond that/doesn't care.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Lord_Magmar posted:

I thought the whole deal with Midnight Hunt and the big metal sun thing the ritual was performed at was specifically that it's not supposed to get weird and someone messed it up and now it's being un-messed.

Why would the metal thing even exist in the first place if it hadn't been needed before though?

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

A Moose posted:

I guess my point is that from when Kaldheim released until the next rotation, KLD was the weakest set in standard. Strong stuff rotated out, but nothing stronger was released so now KLD is the backbone of standard. I kinda hope that doesn't happen again. What if instead of making eldraine, then panicking and slamming on the breaks for the next 10 sets, they made 5 sets in a row that were roughly the same power level of eldraine? Maybe give people a reason to play Pioneer once a few fun, powerful standard decks rotate. Kind of like how the draw of Extended and early Modern was "keep playing your favorite standard deck but with access to more cards!"

Eldraine and Ikoria were loving up eternal formats though. Having every set be so powerful that it basically introduces rotation into eternal formats pisses a lot of people off. They'll still introduce cards directly into Modern with other sets (like Modern Horizons, obviously), but the idea that they should only target the high end of the power spectrum is pretty risky.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Pablo Nergigante posted:

I know they're called "eternal" formats but the alternative is that the meta stays stagnant and never changes which is boring imo

I'm not saying it should never change, just that regulating the pace makes sense, and having every new set be at the highest power level (with the risk of overshooting) makes the rate of turnover too high. Like I said, sets like Modern Horizons are already a relatively new innovation aiming directly at introducing new cards into the format, so dumping loads of new cards from Standard sets in the formats on top of that just makes those expensive formats too risky to invest in for a lot of people. Like personally if people hoarding cards from 20 years ago take a bath on some of it lose some value, I think that's maybe even a good thing, but it sucks for the new player who dips their toe into the format and then finds their deck gets tossed out of the meta because a new Standard set was too strong.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

That plains is hilarious I agree.

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Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Paul Zuvella posted:

$1,800 dollar deck.

That hurts to even think about.

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