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BrianRx
Jul 21, 2007
The way in which more and more of daily life has been pushed online. I liked coming home from high school, chatting with girls and reading SA for an hour, then going out and having a life. Now because of convenience, you don't even have to leave your home to buy groceries. If you want to, it is completely possible to have your basic needs met without ever leaving your house. This in turn has made it harder to do things offline. Need to go to a hardware store? Might as well go to homedepot.com because all of the small places who couldn't afford to have a web presence have gone out of business and the physical stores carry less stock. See a brand new movie? Stream it for the price of one ticket. Socialize with friends? Play Madden or FIFA or Fortnite or whatever, then hop on social media.

This isnt all bad, per se, just different, except for the fact that every single thing you do online is tracked, sold to data brokers, and used to advertise products and ideas to you. Many ISPs log web activity, so it is literally impossible to get online without exposing information about yourself. You can use a VPN, but you better choose a good one and pray they don't get sold or change policies when you're not looking. Anonymity used to be the default on the web if you were at all smart about what you posted about yourself. Now even privacy is impossible.

It's funny that we've been so concerned about the government's surveillance practices post-Snowden when profit driven private companies do it so much better than the NSA. And guess what? Those government agencies and police departments we were so worried about can purchase your information as easily as anyone else.

I pretty much only browse SA when I go online for non-productivity reasons, for better or worse (almost certainly worse). If I find out that Jeffrey has been selling Palantir information about my interest in retro video games or lovely takes on current events or obsession with serial killers, I swear to God I will burn this place down with everyone in it.

ProperCoochie posted:

SYNC YOUR CONTACTS

FIND YOUR CONTACTS

ADD YOUR CONTACTS

No one should ever, ever do this. It isn't just done for engagement or whatever, it's to get valid email addresses for everyone you know so that the site can sell them to advertisers and build a model of your social network, also to sell. Consider that someone else's contact information is not yours to give away.

BrianRx fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Sep 30, 2021

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deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

BrianRx posted:

It's funny that we've been so concerned about the government's surveillance practices post-Snowden when profit driven private companies do it so much better than the NSA. And guess what? Those government agencies and police departments we were so worried about can purchase your information as easily as anyone else.

This is a good time to remind everyone of this story:

There was a guy named Edward Bernays. When the US got involved in World War 1, they hired him and tasked him with drumming up support for the war both at home and abroad. He referred to his work at "psychological warfare" and he turned out to be very good at it. He became, in large part, the father of the modern concept of "propaganda". He was partially responsible for the rise of Adolph Hitler, because Hitler watched the way that Bernays and the CPI and their British colleagues manipulated the will of the people and turned them against the Germans during WW1 and decided that this was the reason that Germany lost. He studied what Bernays and the rest did and implemented it himself during his rise to power.

Well after WW1 ended, Bernays fell on a little scandal where he oopsie admitted to running the US's propaganda wing in a press release at the Paris Peace Talks. He didn't view propaganda as anything evil or bad, he said it brazenly as if the US spreading propaganda was a good thing.

He was so taken aback by the negative outlash and outcry to him using the word propaganda that he realized "Well, poo poo. I'm a propagandist. What am I going to do for work now that the war is over and everyone thinks propaganda is bad?"

After thinking about it for a while, he wrote this:

quote:

There was one basic lesson I learned in the CPI—that efforts comparable to those applied by the CPI to affect the attitudes of the enemy, of neutrals, and people of this country could be applied with equal facility to peacetime pursuits. In other words, what could be done for a nation at war could be done for organizations and people in a nation at peace.

He then founded the field of public relations, a beat-for-beat reprint of the field of propaganda but with the words changed to something with fewer negative connotations. He spent the rest of his life teaching corporations how to brainwash us, all while convincing them that they weren't propagandists - they were just "managing public perception". And politicians are absolutely among the "us" being brainwashed.

deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Sep 30, 2021

flubber nuts
Oct 5, 2005


not enough porn

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit
"Tell me what sucks about the internet today?"

Your posts OP

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Myrddin_Emrys posted:

"Tell me what sucks about the internet today?"

Your posts OP

god drat mother gently caress

Panic! At The Tesco
Aug 19, 2005

FART


It all really started going properly downhill with the invention of the smartphone imo. Before that the internet was just a thing you "went on" when you were at home and had some free time. Maybe you'd download a couple of songs and arrange with your mates on MSN messenger what time to meet at the mall tomorrow. Or update your Tom Selleck geocities fan page.

Now everyone is connect to the internet all the time and it loving sucks and I hate it. It's contributed greatly to the dumbing down of every opinion and debate into black and white. It already has and is continuing to change the the way people behave in everyday life on a fundamental level, and not in a positive way.

I unironically believe it's literally going to be the downfall of humanity if we don't figure out a better more positive way to use it. I think it's too late though.

The new "everyone is connected global world" was exciting at first in the early 2000's, until it became about the money. Then the money brought the politics and major corporations and government into the fray and now the internet is full of literal propaganda and bots that are turning everyone against each other.

I wish I could unplug and live my life internet free but it becomes more and more impossible to do so every day. The algorithms are too powerful and every is too far gone. Maybe one day I will finally hit my breaking point and escape to live in a cabin in the woods or something but I doubt it.

blight rhino
Feb 11, 2014

EXQUISITE LURKER RHINO


Nap Ghost

Nooner posted:

Kids are too good at video games now and i lose a lot when i play onlibe ):

I think it's our reflexes, bub. we're getting long in the tooth.

I'll bust some kids rear end at a card game, though.
Except the ones that spend like 8 hours a day playing and have every combo memorized, and taunt me in the chats.
gently caress.


also this brings me back

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

This is a good point - there are a lot of things where video *does* help a ton and I'd be happy to watch them if I knew they were concise and wouldn't waste my time. Like, video is a much better way to learn some things than text. Example below:

pre:
Begin the game by running right a short distance and bash the first "?" Block 
that comes into view, and this will give you your first Coin.

Hell, remember single-player games, in general? They're still around, but everything is "Play with your friends!" I played WoW when it first came out for a few years, and would of killed for it to be a single player game. Battlegrounds were kinda fun, I guess once you got gud

blight rhino fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Oct 1, 2021

Screama
Nov 25, 2007
Yes, I am very cereal.
I'll also throw in people calling anyone who disagrees with them or has anything negative to say about them/their business as a "troll" or "bot".

Xaintrailles
Aug 14, 2015

:hellyeah::histdowns:

Panic! At The Tesco posted:

I wish I could unplug and live my life internet free but it becomes more and more impossible to do so every day.

I don't get this. Just don't use the bad sites? The internet is a curse on society, but my personal experience of it is pretty good. Stuff like email and live maps are wonders of the age, the envy of kings.

blight rhino posted:

Hell, remember single-player games, in general? They're still around, but everything is "Play with your friends!"

Yes, I do remember the games I played today.

blight rhino
Feb 11, 2014

EXQUISITE LURKER RHINO


Nap Ghost

Xaintrailles posted:


Yes, I do remember the games I played today.

BAH! I knew someone would say something when I wrote it. You're right. There are a good amount of single player games. I just don't want to be forced to play online for whatever experience, or what not.
that was probably my pre-boomer seeping through

a dmc delorean
Jul 2, 2006

Live the dream

roomtone posted:

i think there's probably room for some educational only alternative to youtube where videos being short and concise is incentivised rather tha the other way around, because i know what you mean. i use youtube to learn things constantly and it is a hassle clicking through several videos of bullshit that are far too long and filled with bullshit you don't want, to find the 3 minute or legitimately 20 minute video you need which covers it all properly.

seeing something demonstrated and working alongside is the superior way to learn many things. there should be a place where that is all there is, rather than it just being something that is on youtube alongside all the other crap.

Isn't this kind of the idea of that Udemy website?

They're more course oriented rather than "this is how you do this one specific thing" videos but they're well edited and don't have a load of ads, sponsors and opinions etc

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

FlocksOfMice posted:

Now you have underaged people hanging out on the internet advertising their age, state, and what mental disorders they have, posting a livestream of where they've been throughout the day to make it easy to figure out their schedule. Every website encourages you to just use one identity so you're easy to track for corporations and people are fine with it. Everyone's lives is now public. Everyone submits to a paparazzi of their own making. I don't get it.
To use the least appropriate possible example of this, I remember when Winter Pierzina first made a splash in the online nude lady scene and I was just like "she is seriously just posting nudes of herself using her real name, and acknowledging where she lives, and nobody thinks this is unusual anymore" (yes I remember JenniCam and yes she is clearly Patient Zero in this area). We have truly come a long way since people on IRC intentionally altered their real names even when discussing them with people they trusted due to the possibility of Something Happening.

Panic! At The Tesco posted:

It all really started going properly downhill with the invention of the smartphone imo. Before that the internet was just a thing you "went on" when you were at home and had some free time. Maybe you'd download a couple of songs and arrange with your mates on MSN messenger what time to meet at the mall tomorrow. Or update your Tom Selleck geocities fan page.

Now everyone is connect to the internet all the time and it loving sucks and I hate it. It's contributed greatly to the dumbing down of every opinion and debate into black and white. It already has and is continuing to change the the way people behave in everyday life on a fundamental level, and not in a positive way.
Even though I agree with your point for the most part, I was spending 8-10 hours a day online between newsgroups and IRC (mixed in with some BBS action on my other phone line) in 1992 (well during school breaks anyway) and online discourse was pretty much great (or at least civilized) until Eternal September 1993 broke the Internet forever, in one of the only times "things used to be better before!" was not just bitter old people ranting, but actual fact. Yes I am saying the Internet has sucked since 1993, but especially since Facebook stopped letting you do anything fun at all with your profile customization

nunsexmonkrock
Apr 13, 2008
4chan, qanon, Facebook, twitter, etc.. the internet in general.

Nooner
Mar 26, 2011

AN A+ OPSTER (:
I just wish there was more porn :sigh:

Lord Decimus Barnacle
Jun 25, 2005


Hell Gem

Nooner posted:

I just wish there was more porn :sigh:

AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope
Nah, it's way better than it was. Like I wish we could have stuck with forums as being the dominant format for interaction among groups of people, but whatever. I have adblockers, I only friend people I know, I only follow or subscribe to people who I find smart or interesting or talented in some way. I don't miss your stupid geocities pages.

And the Internet didn't warp politics, cable news did.

Junk
Dec 20, 2003

Listen to reason, man. Why make your job difficult?

Nooner posted:

I just wish there was more porn :sigh:

yeah pornhub sucks now that they scrubbed all amateur content

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

#1 thing that sucks about the internet today: Nurge remains unfairly permabanned

admin edit: a bunch of spammed gifs were here

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Wendigee
Jul 19, 2004

chaosbreather posted:

The internet sucks because people keep pretending that it's a vital utility that supports all government, industry and commerce instead of a place to make silly jokes and argue and make web pages about things you like. The internet was a nice little house party with you and two dozen friends and cool acquaintances. The air and the vibes had that quality to it that anything could happen. An orgy. An indie film. Getting hammered and doing insane stunts. Something magical. And then government agents busted in and jumped up on the tables demanding people use coasters and kept changing the playlist under gunpoint and media companies flooded it with shills trying to get people to try their products or sign up for horrible subscriptions and take pictures of everyone all the time. And then they started bussing everyone's parents in. And grandparents. And your boss. And then they locked the doors. That's the internet.

Lol

WILDTURKEY101
Mar 7, 2005

Look to your left. Look to your right. Only one of you is going to pass this course.
it used to just be a bunch of loving nerds playing around, being dickheads, and everyone was kinda on the same page

now it's a bunch of old normal people being dickheads, but everyone's on different pages and it's a goddamn pit

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

blight rhino posted:

BAH! I knew someone would say something when I wrote it. You're right. There are a good amount of single player games. I just don't want to be forced to play online for whatever experience, or what not.
that was probably my pre-boomer seeping through

Even most single player games are filled with LEADERBOARDS and poo poo which, yes, you can usually just ignore but it's core to how a lot of designers think about games

You having fun? What if I told you your friend Steve was beating you at it

Nooner
Mar 26, 2011

AN A+ OPSTER (:

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

admin edit: a bunch of spammed gifs were here

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Sites these days are full of badmins that are afraid of fun ):

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

GuestBob posted:

I remember when all of this was porn.

This was a very funny post.

Wendigee
Jul 19, 2004

The only reason I can still use youtube is because I loaded an app from outside the store called youtube vanced . removes all ads for youtube on my phone, it basically replaces the youtube app. It works really really well.

ublock origin blocks them perfectly well on my laptop.

I had to finally installed firefox on my phone so I could load ublock origin on there since google blocks addon from their chrome store. Assholes.

down n out
Sep 16, 2008

Nap Ghost
The consolidation of power by corporations that now wield huge influence over our lives and what we see. Some people know literally nothing about the internet outside of facebook, youtube, twitter, and Instagram. Things like blog rings where you could pick and choose your own path even if the content was a bit spicy have died, replaced by a feeding tube of curated, sanitized mush. But it’s got a lot of thumbs up it must be good, right?

down n out fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Oct 1, 2021

WILDTURKEY101
Mar 7, 2005

Look to your left. Look to your right. Only one of you is going to pass this course.
the difference between 4.3 stars and 4.8 stars is enormous

HORNEY VAPE BRO
Jun 14, 2009

Much scarier ordering drugs off of DNMs now compared to a decade ago since half of sellers now are probably feds

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

the difference between 4.3 stars and 4.8 stars is enormous

How to read star ratings
1 star: has one review
2 stars: a group of people were very angry online and got together to downvote
3-4.5 stars: absolute trash
4.6-4.8: pretty good
4.9+: paid reviewers or deletes negative reviews

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY
The look-how-breezy-I-am attitude "I just don't see the big deal."

The same idiots have been saying this the whole time. Through the whole process, observing the trends as they worsen. "Okay, get mad about it. It was all inevitable," they say, these loving morons. "Who cares if people harvest my data? I don't. So what, they'll know I like weed and porn and Batman? LOL who cares if they know my location and cc# and political affiliation and daily behavior? It's not like knowledge is power or anything."

Dogmeat
Jun 20, 2003


Woof!

AKA Pseudonym posted:

Nah, it's way better than it was. Like I wish we could have stuck with forums as being the dominant format for interaction among groups of people, but whatever. I have adblockers, I only friend people I know, I only follow or subscribe to people who I find smart or interesting or talented in some way. I don't miss your stupid geocities pages.

Adblockers only go so far when the internet is being designed in a fundamentally unsound way.

https://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm

I don't work in web design or whatever but this 6 year old article always rang true with me and as far as I know the internet still looks like this:



Which is needlessly complex, not to help users or even web designers, but to feed this:



and it's just getting worse every year

CRIP EATIN BREAD
Jun 24, 2002

Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T



Soiled Meat
It's become just another vector where people squeal with delight when they censor something like a modern PMRC. "Think about the children" has become an unironic phrase from the same age group that used to mock it.

JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS

Funky See Funky Do posted:

That seems like a lot of words to say "the familiar product outsells the unfamiliar product".

I got a lot more out of that post than familiar>unfamiliar(although that’s part of it).

CRIP EATIN BREAD
Jun 24, 2002

Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T



Soiled Meat
for some reason every single page has to have a comment section

WILDTURKEY101
Mar 7, 2005

Look to your left. Look to your right. Only one of you is going to pass this course.
Nj.com used to have forums for discussing high school sports. It wasn't as awful as you think, but it started to take a turn and they got rid of those over ten years ago.

I cant even imagine how bad it would be if they were still around.

HORSE-SLAUGHTERER
Nov 11, 2020

H O R S E - S L A U G H T E R E R
its twitter op.

more specifically the fact that politics these days seems to entirely take place on the a social media site for morons

A Strange Aeon
Mar 26, 2010

You are now a slimy little toad
The Great Twist
I'm sure most people are familiar with Hypnospace Outlaw already, but it really did a good job of emulating that spirit of the old internet. There's even the nascent movements of large monied interests bulldozing active communities and presenting more sanitized content.

I don't use Facebook or Twitter but you can't escape their influence. Even Google serving up news articles makes me feel gross, though my brain longs for new content so if I'm all caught up on my SA threads, I might scroll down the Discover thing and feel a bit icky.

I love reading paper books and probably do that more than the average person. Something about only having one other person's voice communicating with me is calming. Even then, I'll sometimes just want to read the forums instead, but this style of communication is incredibly rare elsewhere on the internet--the posters here feel like actual people with their own voices, whereas I feel like on Reddit and other sites everyone tries their hardest to sound identical to each other.

I do still like Wikipedia, even if it's not utopian; it at least isn't butchering the content to serve up ads, even though it encourages a pretty shallow level of understanding, there's sources if you want to go deeper.

Dick Swiveller
Mar 2, 2011

The internet is The Book of Sand as read to us by the world's ten or twenty richest people but we can't hide the thing in a library somewhere to escape the horror because it's also where we keep all our money, sense of self and pornography.

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!
Bigots
Fascists
Liars
Fakes
Phonies
Not enough porn catered to my VERY specific niches
Cowards
Anime

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy

Wendigee posted:

The only reason I can still use youtube is because I loaded an app from outside the store called youtube vanced . removes all ads for youtube on my phone, it basically replaces the youtube app. It works really really well.

ublock origin blocks them perfectly well on my laptop.

I had to finally installed firefox on my phone so I could load ublock origin on there since google blocks addon from their chrome store. Assholes.

Only buy Pixel phones because they let you unlock the bootloader with a click of a button which you can then root your phone and install all kinds of awesome poo poo like a hosts based ad blocker, call recorder, and God's app: GravityBox

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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

phasmid posted:

The look-how-breezy-I-am attitude "I just don't see the big deal."

The same idiots have been saying this the whole time. Through the whole process, observing the trends as they worsen. "Okay, get mad about it. It was all inevitable," they say, these loving morons. "Who cares if people harvest my data? I don't. So what, they'll know I like weed and porn and Batman? LOL who cares if they know my location and cc# and political affiliation and daily behavior? It's not like knowledge is power or anything."

I can't wait till they start seeing their insurance skyrocket or get inexplicably rejected for jobs and mortgages.

All because someone purchased a data packet from Amazon who got it from Google who got it from Tiktok who got it from the FSB who got it from Ryanair who got it from Microsoft, and that packet shows they usually wake up at 1.30 each night - meaning they are 2% more likely to be depressed.

Hell, insurers already offer """discounts""" if you take a """free""" smartwatch and wire them your live biometrics.

Although I imagine those of us who care about privacy will have it worse, because no bad statistics will be more damning than [no data available].

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