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Endorph posted:something that sucks about about the internet today is a bunch of idiots think being on it in 1998 is a mark of pride that proves theyre an inherently superior human being. not that the internet isnt nothing but ads nowadays but jesus christ 'norm norms'. you arent any smarter than uncle jeb and his 15 facebook posts a day about obamacare just because you touched a computer sooner than he did. if anything you might be stupider because at least hes happy when hes not touching a computer whereas youre miserable both on and off it. i was going to say this in a nice way
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roomtone posted:i was going to say this in a nice way don't bother. I'm still upset he said 1998. that isn't real
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Oct 3, 2021 21:15
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That goons got old and olds aren't funny.
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:don't bother. I'm still upset he said 1998. that isn't real
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shirunei posted:That goons got old and olds aren't funny. aww, man. not cool
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Call Your Grandma posted:youtube lost the plot when it renamed itself from U2be and started to feature music videos from artists other than Ireland's greatest rock band imo It was called cranberries tube?
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runnypoops posted:This thread lol fuckin owned it did own. thanks for the kind words, sure the OP appreciates it
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ikanreed posted:I think the biggest problem with the internet is the segmentation redesign in TCP 4.0.
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sorry, do you need to use the bathroom?
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phasmid posted:The look-how-breezy-I-am attitude "I just don't see the big deal." Strategic Tea posted:I can't wait till they start seeing their insurance skyrocket or get inexplicably rejected for jobs and mortgages. This stuff makes me so mad. Imagine you and a few other strangers all get kidnapped by this burglar who has a knife and they say "alright, you're going to be my hostages while I rob a bank." But then they start talking about how they need to find a gun because they can't rob a bank with a knife. One of the other strangers who you were kidnapped with pulls their CCW pistol from its holster and hands it to the burglar. Then you all stare at them like 'wtf are you doing' and they say "Relax they're not going to shoot us, we're just hostages, and it's not even our money they're taking" Not caring about data privacy is a very fascist viewpoint, it's basically licking the boot that's going to crush your grandchildren while handing its wearer a gift card to footlocker or whatever. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Oct 4, 2021 |
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386-SX 25Mhz VGA posted:Is this something that impacts user experience or is it like a security or integrity thing? Just an ironic caring about something obscure, technical, and irrelevant post.
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Oct 4, 2021 00:40
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Has anyone said this forum, hahaha.
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It sucks, but it sucks in a lot of the ways it always has and it SUCKS in the ways our society does. Capitalism, etc... (I know what that is.) Let's not pretend we all aren't basically fine with it, just another opiate to us... (whoah(wow)) I'm watching a YouTube video... Crushing loneliness and fear of death... Scroll down to the comments section. And I regret it every time. Oolb fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Oct 4, 2021 |
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That it is not like in the matrix where you can join the underground netpunk rave, plug the unlocked internet into your neck and install kung fu and cool skins onto yourself and microtransactions was not spawned from the rear end taint of capitalism. And I remember just tripping over fun websites by weirdos or even non weirdos with just the most banal stuff, before social media 4.0. Now there are youtube channels dedicated to weird sites, forum threads and just internet history that you remember from your dial up days. Forget wikipedia, need to look up something you're gonna have to add reddit to that query because you are in hell. AI is fully implemented and it's doing video game articles. Algorithms cant be sexist.
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BigBadSteve posted:Has anyone said this forum, hahaha. More readable than reddit.  
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Oolb posted:I'm watching a YouTube video... Crushing loneliness and fear of death... Scroll down to the comments section. And I regret it every time. WWW: World Wide Waste of time.
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I like Discord but it bugs me that it's not really publicly searchable the way Reddit or a forum is. It feels like in a few years, all that stuff will be lost forever. Which maybe isn't an enormous loss, but seems suckier than it living in perpetual purgatory on the wider internet.
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There's a few things: 1) The internet has created compulsion on a global scale to a mostly technology illiterate population. The internet is really, really addicting - and engineers at social media sites not only know this, but it's their job to make it more addicting. The more time you spend on their platform engaging, the better their stats look. When it was 2001, the compulsion was mostly a small minority of weirdo shut ins (atleast in the US) that would post obsessively about anime or some poo poo. Now, your uncle who doesn't understand what 8chan even means is addicted to Qanon and your kid (cause you fucks are old) probably is addicted to YouTube. 2) The Japanese were aware of the societal effects of the internet waaaaaaay before the western world caught up. They had cottage industries built around the cultural influence of nerds and shut ins, art and culture were already warning of a tech dystopia in the late 90s just while we were obsessed with the positive idea of a connected world, and the cynicism of these things led to 2chan and the obsession with anonymity in the face of a corporate world trying to blur the lines between real life and the internet. When we looked at these trends in the 2000s, most of the western world just thought it was wacky Japanese people doing wacky poo poo, not realizing that we would be right there with them in 2 decades. 3) Corporate money. A lot of people have already touched on this, so I don't have more to say, but corporate money has created perverse incentives to consolidate the internet, proliferate bots, harvest data for ads, create poo poo like influencers, and stamp out anything that is creative or unique or novel. 4) Twitter. The biggest problem with Twitter is that it happily embraces getting helldumped by encouraging dogpiling and being inherently anti-discource because of its character limit. It took all of the worst parts of the internet (one liners, non-anonymity, popularity contests through RTs and likes, virality) and then brought it into the real world by being the platform of journalists. It was also the home of the people that left Tumblr after that collapsed, which made it essentially a Tumblr-lite and it's why it's now Purple Haired Teenager Says Praxis A Lot. 5) The creators of these massive websites have no idea how to deal with waht can and cant be posted. SA, like any forum culture, is unique in that the community moderates itself. This is not scaleable when you're talking about 1billion+ users in the case of something like Facebook, apparently theres free speech. This has caused massive confusion in general about what is or isn't allowed and your grandma just posted a racist picture of Obama and no one has any idea what to do about it. theres a lot more but thats just to start with.
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Too much advertising and "algorithmic" crap meant to push more ads to the top
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dk2m posted:4) Twitter. The biggest problem with Twitter is that it happily embraces getting helldumped by encouraging dogpiling and being inherently anti-discource because of its character limit. It took all of the worst parts of the internet (one liners, non-anonymity, popularity contests through RTs and likes, virality) and then brought it into the real world by being the platform of journalists. It was also the home of the people that left Tumblr after that collapsed, which made it essentially a Tumblr-lite and it's why it's now Purple Haired Teenager Says Praxis A Lot. The problem with Twitter (ok one problem among many) is that it has mixed Anonymity. There is a weird relationship between checkmarked celebrities, checkmark celebrities (as in famous Twitter accounts with anonymous creators), open randos, and obfuscated randos. It's GOOD that people who post lovely things on twitter can have consequences because they were stupid enough to do it using their real name. It's BAD that people can be dogpiled by randos issuing abuse, transphobia, racism, etc It's BAD that these are the same platform. Obviously twitter is also bad for a lot of other reasons which you mentioned. It's especially dumb that it became the de facto news dump site for the press. Communicating entirely in headlines or goddamn images of text is so loving stupid it's hard to overstate it
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People with bad opinions who used to have blogs now have podcasts and it takes a half hour of listening to realize they are full of poo poo, instead of 3 minutes.
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Thinking about it, podcasts are a bit okay to me as far as the internet goes, given the nature of audio media. They still promote a bit of a parasocial relationship between fans and hosts, but they can also be the anchor of communities which seem as real as anything else primarily online can be, and even draw people together into the real world for live shows and conventions. It also seems to me that there's much less samey, algorithm exploitative style choices for increased monetization than you find in videos on YouTube. And the nature of audio doesn't require your full attention like having to watch a video does--you can be in the world jogging or driving or working on a project or playing a video game and still be listening. So almost by default the ads aren't as obnoxious or overwhelming.
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Squeezing the last drop of dopamine from nostalgia. Artists reconceptualizing old stuff instead creating new stuff. Every site, tuber, and streamer is the same in presentation. Everyone copies the large channels or pages. For the internet to be so free, its not weird or novel anymore. Every couple of years the aesthetic changes and everyone copy and pastes it.
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A Strange Aeon posted:I like Discord but it bugs me that it's not really publicly searchable the way Reddit or a forum is. It feels like in a few years, all that stuff will be lost forever. Which maybe isn't an enormous loss, but seems suckier than it living in perpetual purgatory on the wider internet. it sucks that some tech support bug fixes , game help stuff, and a bunch of hobby how tos are going to be eaten by the void. Some discords are smart enough to atleast
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This is fairly abstract, but the internet is the opposite of how people traditionally learn something - which is to say there is first context and then information. Without context, information can’t really be understood on its own terms. So everything got specialized in its own space - are you into diapers? Or Honda Civics? Or white nationalism? Well, there’s a specific context where you can find that information. It forced you to seek out places organically and a lot of it was genuinely horrifying but somehow, this segregated system sort of worked. Things were kept in walled gardens that could organically change with the user base Having a single platform that could aggregate disparate sources of walled gardens probably made a lot of sense - Digg (later Reddit) and Youtube were the first I remember. Where it all got hosed was the ability to promote visibility and curation algorithms. In walled gardens (like this site), visibility is activity, but in aggregated places (like every social media site), it depends on a creation of a psych profile and site promoted information. The end result is that context is gone - browsing Reddit is being bombarded with the things that appeal to the psych profile in aggregate. This is pure simulation, but it’s easy to start believing the world really looks like whatever your Twitter feed looks like. It’s why I still use SA because the posts and threads here live on their own terms - the only curation going on is making sure things don’t devolve into anarchy
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facebook is having an outage right now oh wait that's what's good about the internet booom.
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roomtone posted:i was going to say this in a nice way I definitely find it interesting how some of the answers are of the "I miss the way things used to be" variety, some are "here is what I find unpleasant now," and others are "here is why the internet is the way it is now." But it's the middle one that I'm most interested in. Like, things have changed, and they have changed because the venture capitalism ghouls and the algorithm ghouls are trying to totally dominate everything. So how does that manifest? What are the actual direct lovely experiences of being online? I was thinking this morning about how group DMs changed twitter. I remember really liking just hanging out and watching these weird people interact and make jokes together. Now all that is hidden in group DMs, and open twitter is, largely, for these specifically open interactions. And it just leads to everything having this awful manufactured feel to it. No one is really speaking naturally anymore. Rather it's just mimicking ways of speaking for the sake of making a certain kind of performance.
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:facebook is having an outage right now oh wait that's what's good about the internet booom. So is Instagram and WhatsApp. Outage is worldwide. Might be a major hack attack.
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maybe Zuck had his important data tube in that CA oil pipe.
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Liquid Chicken posted:So is Instagram and WhatsApp. Outage is worldwide. Might be a major hack attack. insta and whatsapp are both owned by facebook aren't they?
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temple posted:Every site, tuber, and streamer is the same in presentation. Everyone copies the large channels or pages. For the internet to be so free, its not weird or novel anymore. Every couple of years the aesthetic changes and everyone copy and pastes it. Actually one of my favorite YouTube people is this German guy who is absolutely terrible at video games but makes like long ramble fests of literally just him pointing his camera at the television while he dies constantly on the first stage of whatever retro game he is playing at the time. Absolutely no concern about commercial appeal whatsoever. You do you! Hand Knit posted:But it's the middle one that I'm most interested in. Like, things have changed, and they have changed because the venture capitalism ghouls and the algorithm ghouls are trying to totally dominate everything. So how does that manifest? What are the actual direct lovely experiences of being online?
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ilmucche posted:insta and whatsapp are both owned by facebook aren't they? Yep. Someone performed a hat trick.
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The stinkin’ internet man
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dk2m posted:This is fairly abstract, but the internet is the opposite of how people traditionally learn something - which is to say there is first context and then information. Without context, information can’t really be understood on its own terms. So everything got specialized in its own space - are you into diapers? Or Honda Civics? Or white nationalism? Well, there’s a specific context where you can find that information. It forced you to seek out places organically and a lot of it was genuinely horrifying but somehow, this segregated system sort of worked. Things were kept in walled gardens that could organically change with the user base I agree but people are posting and creating content on their own. The algorithm can't promote things that aren't there. Like I might watch a clip of SweetAnita on youtube and every booba streamer pops up on my recs. Trillions of hours of the same content. The internet is bigger and smaller at the same time.
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I'd be curious to hear counterarguments to how today's internet is actually good in some ways, though I know that's the opposite of the OP. Like has Kickstarter provided people with a way to make a living doing what they love? Does Patreon provide enough financial support for artists to make a go of living as artists? Does Etsy benefit small artisan creators who make unique products? Or are all these platforms actually worse for creators because they require business savvy and social acumen to succeed on? I'm not sure what the past alternative was, maybe having to get a loan for a business idea? Or selling your work exclusively on the craft show circuit? And I know these platforms are all flooded with lots of noise and similar ideas, but theoretically it seems possible great things could come into existence that wouldn't have been able to before.
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Don't forget about GoFundMe. Started off as a Kickstarter copycat afaik. Site is practically a way to crowdsource paying for Americans' ridiculous private healthcare costs. In a hosed sort of way it's helping some people get more than they would have otherwise, as well as adding to the pile of public awareness of how hosed private health care is in the US. Too bad every movement to promote universal public healthcare gets kneecapped by the private health insurers. I would say that one of the benefits of the internet is the discord that everyone being connected has created in favor of positive social change against traditional cultural values and even old power structures, but like the Arab Spring it can also go the other way pretty quickly.
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I think it's pretty cool websites are all hosted in the cloud but still crash and go down if 1 server dies.
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