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It's that time of year, the Observer Hall of fame voting season! The Observer hall is set up very much like the major North American sports halls of fame in that you need 60% of the votes in your region to enter, and while this does have issues at time (see the log jam of Lucha candidates) it means that it's more of a leigt hall of fame than the WWE which is very much just up to Vince. Also with it's Lucha and Japan sections it's much better at being a global hall of fame than US based halls tend to be. The Criteria according to the Observer hall is based on in-ring work, Box office drawing power and positive historical influence. Voters can vote in 10 wrestlers and 5 non wrestlers and entry is broken down by regions. This years ballot as taken from twitter user https://twitter.com/wonhoftracker?lang=en https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1brVme_4t152uVLjD1zIuqJqu4cQCyef3N9-HIj28Z6w/edit#gid=2103376432 Big questions on this years ballot is how far Edge will go down after another disastrous year, how far will CM Punk rise, will Moxley get in on first ballot, will Okada top 90% on the first ballot even with an off (for Okada) couple of years, will Taue finally get in, does Ishii get in on work rate alone, and how will Orndorff returning to the ballot do with his death reminding people just how well he drew in his prime.
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Oct 1, 2021 01:16
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Is it too early to vote HOOK in?
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Oct 1, 2021 01:27
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https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1442052837366812675 lol no
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Oct 1, 2021 01:36
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If Okada doesn't get 100% of votes then the aliens will blow us up for being miserable failures as a species.
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Oct 1, 2021 01:39
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Should probably just vote Big Daddy in out of pity for Allan and his annual doomed crusade
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Oct 1, 2021 01:40
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forkboy84 posted:Should probably just vote Big Daddy in out of pity for Allan and his annual doomed crusade no it's better to just wait it out and laugh.
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Oct 1, 2021 01:40
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Of the new additions we have a rather... eclectic mix. Kazuchika Okada Jon Moxley Octagon (who up until this moment didn't realise had not been on the ballot, I was shocked we wasn't in already) Psycho Clown Shingo Takagi Bill Dundee The original Hollywood Blondes (I don't know anything about) Seth Rollins Dorell Dixon AAA La Parka and Nikki Bella.
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Oct 1, 2021 01:45
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Lid posted:Of the new additions we have a rather... eclectic mix. Okada is a lock and I think Moxley is too. Shingo probably should be as somebody from Dragonsgate needs to go in and people like Shingo (Unlike CIMA who has quite a few that hate him). Psuycho Clown probably will go in but Lucha still has a back log. LOL Seth Rollins Nikki Bella is worth having a discussion as she did move the needle for WWE's woman's audience and while I don't think she gets in she's worth being on the ballot
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Oct 1, 2021 01:53
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I'd rather Moxley not go in yet, maybe I'm just still tainted by the Dean Ambrose and a fear of recency bias but I'd like him to be in AEW for more than two years and say Hall of Fame career. Okada is the lockest lock to ever lock and has been for five years already. Shingo should go in because he had a debatable Hall of Fame career before he even got to NJPW and since he got there hes been in the top three workers in the company when he isn't straight up #1 which is insane when you think of how deep NJPW was when he got there.
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Oct 1, 2021 02:01
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I also disagree with the notion that Moxley is a lock
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Oct 1, 2021 02:09
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Psycho Clown should also be a lock
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Oct 1, 2021 02:27
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I would laugh if Mox got in before Rollins.
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Oct 1, 2021 03:53
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Davros1 posted:I would laugh if Mox got in before Rollins. Mox before Roman Reigns
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Oct 1, 2021 03:57
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Rollins chances died in the red light and in the red cage and I don't think nothing can save them. I'm super interested to see how much Orton and Edge go down this year, especially since Dave has turned on Orton for the hall
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Oct 1, 2021 03:58
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The Orton turn was so long overdue and it's the same arguments people here have been saying against Orton for years, but it was still awesome to hear it dawn on him that Ishii had had 30 better matches in the past year than Orton had had in his entire career.
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Oct 1, 2021 04:00
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I think you could make the case for Mox but he's by no means a lock.
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Oct 1, 2021 04:05
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Sticky Nate posted:Psycho Clown should also be a lock He's definitely not a lock. He had three pretty strong years before the pandemic but wasn't even the #1 guy in the country in two of those years. Prior to that AAA was just an utter mess. We'll see how AAA rebuilds after the pandemic but I don't think he'd be in my top 5 for the Mexico ballot let alone making my ballot with some of the new candidates elsewhere. I guess I'd go Brazos Mistico Okada CIMA Naito Ishii And then would have to figure out how to divide up the final 4 spots between Meiko Satomura, Punk, Morgan, Moxley, Ibushi and maybe the Hardys. Plus Dave Brown and maybe Crockett Jr in non wrestlers. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Oct 1, 2021 04:11
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Also I think Dave has spoken in the past that people like Okada don't get 100% of the vote because people go "well, everyone's going to vote for Okada so I don't need to." But he has to go in.
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Oct 1, 2021 10:22
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Dave should have sent out the ballots with Okada pre-selected, and anybody who sends one back with him crossed out gets removed from the voting pool. It might sound undemocratic but some crimes must be punished.
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Oct 1, 2021 10:38
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Voices of wrestling has a good article breaking down Observer awards % for the people on the ballot - https://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2021/10/20/evaluating-the-won-hall-of-fame-ballot-with-award-shares/
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Oct 20, 2021 22:10
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Voices of wrestling has a good article breaking down Observer awards % for the people on the ballot - https://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2021/10/20/evaluating-the-won-hall-of-fame-ballot-with-award-shares/ Nikki Bella (new to ballot) No notable listings Bella easily has the worst résumé in terms of WON voting of anyone on the ballot, having no notable finishes in positive WON awards. She’s on here primarily because of the impact Total Divas & Total Bellas had on Raw viewership, which would really only have possibly been accounted for in Best Box Office Draw.
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Oct 20, 2021 23:25
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Here's the full ballot, which voters have until December 2 to return. Voters can vote for up to ten wrestlers and five non-wrestlers. Voters don't have to vote in all categories. They only count towards the denominator in categories they do vote in. Induction requires at least 60% of the vote from people participating in that category. I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES Ole Anderson Bob Armstrong Hollywood Blonds (Buddy Roberts & Jerry Brown w/Sir Oliver Humperdink) Jerry Brisco June Byers Buddy Colt Wild Bull Curry Cowboy Bob Ellis The Fabulous Ones (Stan Lane & Steve Keirn) Pampero Firpo Black Gordman & Great Goliath Archie "Mongolian Stomper" Gouldie Rocky Johnson Sputnik Monroe Blackjack Mulligan Johnny Rougeau Enrique Torres Von Brauners & Saul Weingeroff Johnny "Mr.Wrestling II" Walker I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson w/J.J. Dillon Nikki Bella Junkyard Dog Bill Dundee Edge Charlotte Flair Bill Goldberg Matt & Jeff Hardy Kamala Rick Martel Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose Paul Orndorff Randy Orton C.M. Punk Seth Rollins Sgt. Slaughter Trish Stratus Rick & Scott Steiner Ultimate Warrior I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES Cima Satoshi Kojima & Hiroyoshi Tenzan Yoshiaki Fujiwara Hayabusa Kota Ibushi Kyoko Inoue Tomohiro Ishii Naomichi Marufuji Tetsuya Naito Kazuchika Okada Meiko Satomura Katsuyori Shibata Takashi Sugiura Akira Taue I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES Los Brazos (Brazo de Oro & Brazo de Plata & El Brazo) Sangre Chicana Psycho Clown Los Hermanos Dinamita (Cien Caras & Mascara Ano 2000 & Universo 2000) Dorrell Dixon Pirata Morgan Mistico/Caristico Octagon La Parka AAA Huracan Ramirez Rito Romero I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE/AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND/PACIFIC ISLANDS/AFRICA Sypros Arion L'Ange Blanc (Francisco Pino) Big Daddy John Da Silva Roger Delaporte & Andre Bollet Dominic DeNucci Billy Joyce George Kidd Killer Karl Kox Kendo Nagasaki Jackie Pallo Rollerball Mark Rocco Johnny Saint Ricki Starr Adrian Street Jose Tarres Otto Wanz NON-WRESTLERS Lord James Blears Dave Brown Bobby Bruns Bob Caudle Jim Crockett Jr. Bobby Davis Joe Higuchi Jim Johnston Takaaki Kidani Larry Matysik Stephanie McMahon James Melby Don Owen Reggie Parks Morris Sigel Tony Schiavone George Scott Mike Tenay Ted Turner Stanley Weston Grand Wizard
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Nov 3, 2021 23:59
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Vote for Stephanie McMahon & no one else, she invented joshi puroresu
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Nov 4, 2021 00:02
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forkboy84 posted:Vote for Stephanie McMahon & no one else, she invented joshi puroresu
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Nov 4, 2021 00:04
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i think these last 3 years have done a lot to rehab schiavone from the end of his wcw days
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Nov 4, 2021 00:08
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Sputnik Monroe, Stanley Weston, and Reggie Parks definitely need to be it.
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Nov 4, 2021 00:10
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STONE COLD 64 posted:i think these last 3 years have done a lot to rehab schiavone from the end of his wcw days Seriously. I remember hating Schiavone when I was younger and now he's one of my favourite things about AEW.
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Nov 4, 2021 00:11
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Spoiler on everybody's filled in ballot:Punch McLightning posted:I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES The voters all did a great job this year, sending back these identical ballots 0.000001 of a second after Dave first sent the ballots out.
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Nov 4, 2021 00:19
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If I was voting my Japan ballot would be Okada,Taue, Sugiura, Ishii and Naito. US would be Punk and Orndorf. Mexico I'd go Mistico cause HHH is dead so the curse is lifted. Non Wrestlers would be Dave Brown and Kidani.
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Nov 4, 2021 05:15
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SatoshiMiwa posted:If I was voting my Japan ballot would be Okada,Taue, Sugiura, Ishii and Naito. US would be Punk and Orndorf. Mexico I'd go Mistico cause HHH is dead so the curse is lifted. Non Wrestlers would be Dave Brown and Kidani. HHH did die very soon after he got his name back...
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Nov 4, 2021 05:17
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Dominic DeNucci should go on as he just passed away but i'm surprised Spiros Arion isn't in yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWqdNM_YG5k
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Nov 4, 2021 13:01
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Putting in some L'Ange Blanc matches, he was extremely popular in France. His legacy was kinda Santoe-sque but it didn't stuck as long as the latter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTF0gHqa0VU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwAYs-cSO2o
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Nov 4, 2021 13:13
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I find myself quietly surprised that Johnny Saint isn't in there yet, and would consider him a much stronger candidate than Big Daddy.
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Nov 4, 2021 14:01
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Tully and Arn almost deserve to be voted on separately at this point, although they're both benefiting from the AEW renaissance so it probably won't hurt them to be linked. I'd say the same thing in general about the Hardys -- Matt's had the more interesting and Hall-worthy career at this point.
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Nov 4, 2021 15:48
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I believe it's time for Akira Taue
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Nov 4, 2021 15:50
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this is tough because every single person on the mexico ballot except for la parka should go in
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