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Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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digging in for the "this is because we were too progressive" justifications for higher police funding and austerity everywhere else

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Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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https://twitter.com/Elora_Sauce/status/1454436586150576132

e: hmm yes this must by why

https://twitter.com/DrJasonJohnson/status/1455313704531243010

Flesh Forge has issued a correction as of 09:51 on Nov 3, 2021

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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https://twitter.com/heatherscope/status/1455696272489422849

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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vyelkin posted:


they dont want to lose, they just honestly do not know any way of doing politics other than the way that inevitably loses

I am convinced at this point that while maybe that's true for ground level dem campaign staff, donors and strategists wiuld absolutely rather tank an election than permit real change away from establishment policies

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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are you kidding, and miss an opportunity to poo poo on anything remotely like a progressive agenda?

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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LastInLine posted:

There is no neoliberal project because we live in it, it's here already. "America is already great". Even if you're in the bourgeoisie, you're well aware that your position is tenuous if and increasingly when things turn downward. Your only two political choices are those telling you things are fine when you know they aren't and conservatives willing to point to "others" whose fault things aren't better. In the absence of a political solution, blame is at least more palatable than throwing in with the people who got you here.

this is a pretty good insight tbh, you can't win people over by telling them that this is as good as it gets.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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neither party is interested in the huge segment of eligible voters that just don't vote, because they're not as white and don't have any money

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2014/10/31/the-party-of-nonvoters-2/

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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https://twitter.com/banalplay/status/1458008883843244037

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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vyelkin posted:

the actual way for democrats to win is to enact policies that help people

whoa now let me stop you right there

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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lmao "we acknowledge your buying power has gone down, our solution is to reduce your buying power more"

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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https://twitter.com/mkarolian/status/1467959999645298697

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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Noob Saibot posted:

Word on a super intellectual forum (resetera) is that once roe v wade is overturned it will actually be the republicans who get destroyed in 2022.

I heard this from a liberal family member the other day: "if the supreme court overturns roe v. wade then the democrats SHOULD pack the court" :colbert:

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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"a lot of republicans are really sick of what their party has become and are going to vote democrat" another thing I have heard with my own ears

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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well I hope everyone learned a valuable lesson :thunk:

https://twitter.com/MasterClass/status/1468627990972035074

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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trump got more votes than any previous presidential winner in history, even more than obama in his first win, and nobody in democratland really thinks that's a big deal lmao

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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Maximo Roboto posted:

He did engage non-engaged voters, but isn't that just because of population growth. Biden got more votes than Trump in 2020, and Trump got more votes than he did in 2016.

Do you think Biden won primarily because D voters thought to themselves "Biden will be a good president" or because "Trump is bad we need a different guy"

because one of those reasons won't apply in 2024, and the R voters will turn out for whatever psychopath the GOP floats. 2020 results should have been utterly terrifying to D strategists but they're too busy going up their own asses with poo poo like that Hillary acceptance speech lmao

e: also, turnout percentage wise was unusually high for both parties, in spite of COVID which certainly discouraged some portion of voters

https://www.brookings.edu/research/turnout-in-2020-spiked-among-both-democratic-and-republican-voting-groups-new-census-data-shows/

Flesh Forge has issued a correction as of 23:04 on Dec 8, 2021

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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sorry yeah I edited my post with more info that followed up on that, the percentage of both parties' participation went way up in 2020. it's not just population growth.



e: by the way that previous big spike in 1992 is Bill Clinton vs. George HW Bush

Flesh Forge has issued a correction as of 23:36 on Dec 8, 2021

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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Animal-Mother posted:

...................... What?

when bill clinton was governor of arkansas they used prison labor as personal servants in the governor's mansion, i.e. modern slavery

https://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-prison-labor-african-americans-arkansas-622209

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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vyelkin posted:

it's socialism or fascism, and the democrats have decided they prefer fascism

imo the worst and best soud bytes are pretty much hillary's campaign vs bernie's campaign

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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Pentecoastal Elites posted:

I keep expecting dem sinecure losers from sure thing states like illinois and new york to be like "...guys? hey? hey guys??" but it never seems to come. do they honestly think people will forget about this and feel fine by next november? do they expect anything to get any better? I know they're insanely loving dumb, but this much, at this time, staring down the barrel of a +10 R break twelve months from midterms?

what the gently caress this party might actually get destroyed

when you consider maybe their goal is not to win elections at all, but to maintain the status quo as "the other party" and allow no third competitors, it all makes a lot more sense.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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I have no doubts this poo poo pile system could run pretty much as is for a thousand years.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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it bothers me that the lesson they're taking from that is "inclusive language is bad" when I expect a portion of respondents literally went "oh that's what Hillary said, gently caress that"

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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I am still 100% convinced that particular stunt was more of a reaction to Mitt Romney than anything else, Romney made a point of being video'd marching with protesters and saying "black lives matter" one day before they did the kente cloth stunt.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/politics/mitt-romney-black-lives-matter-protest/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/politics/democrats-criticized-kente-cloth-trnd/index.html

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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vyelkin posted:

imo it isn't that inclusive language is bad, it's that people know that politicians who cloak generic, meaningless promises in inclusive language never actually do anything good for them, and they respond much better, unsurprisingly, to politicians who are willing to bluntly name both their goals and their enemies.

I don't think it is either, and I don't think the study actually says that, but a lot of people obviously do believe any form of inclusive language is bad, and not just conservatives.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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See that actually isn't meaningless at all, it's such a blatant dogwhistle line you should be embarrassed for not recognizing it.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's a dogwhistle only middle class people can hear.

politicians using that specific phrasing are absolutely targeting white chuds 100% of the time, if you never noticed this I don't know what to tell you

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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Palladium posted:

great job at the consent factory with the two likes

that's loving hilarious tbh

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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:nallears:

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1470895993755480071

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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smug jeebus posted:

She's a cop

Also why isn't Marianne up there

nobody knows who she is outside of extremely online people

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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Excelzior posted:

nobody knows who a best-selling author whose book got recommended by Oprah is

solid take

yes it is, thanks for noticing

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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Maya Fey posted:

Buttigieg DEM 3% REP 3%

Warren at the same perfect balance, they should run together

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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https://twitter.com/TheHyyyype/status/1471121372709629966

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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Iridium posted:

not that i want to defend the hill but you should read the article. in spite of the headline it's incredibly anti-Hillary.

The Hill is very bad about that tbh, got me

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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Noob Saibot posted:

Like I’ve said before we have vaccines, boosters, treatments, even pills for Covid. People even in liberal California continue walking around without masks like the old days despite new mask mandate and cases have not gone up significantly. Based on Omicron the virus seems to be getting weaker. In America we are now post-pandemic and the remaining people need to get vaccinated and get back in line. The government aid pigout is over.

this is some dumb ole liberal bullshit

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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why would there be any consequence for her fulfilling the desires of establishment D strategists, she's doing important and necessary work and if she wouldn't do it they'd get someone else

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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Excelzior posted:

throwing wave after waves of expendable poors at the virus until it hits the preprogrammed kill limit and shuts down

I unironically love the optimism of posts like this

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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looking forward to the manchin branded coal boiler trucks in 2024

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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This Jesus guy, is he the reason there was a huge crowd blocking roads down by the shore the other day? I was late for work because of that poo poo, crucify him

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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good news there is no way Rs will have the majority in the house or the senate to make that happen!!

https://twitter.com/ArthurDelaneyHP/status/1479155239672496132

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Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

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powerful stuff very moving *uncontrollable agonized making GBS threads*

https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1479181475190755328

its a joke ... BUT IS IT REALLY

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