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Willa Rogers posted:Interesting economic data point from the Harvard/Harris poll that was released today: One other thing caught my eye in this article: quote:Biden gets his lowest marks for his handling of the situation in Afghanistan. Only 33 percent say they approve of his actions there. I figured that number would have started increasing slightly by now. Especially since 34% stated they approved of troop withdrawals last year and only 25% opposed it (I assume the rest were unsure, I'm paywalled from the linked WSJ source).
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Epinephrine posted:That number is consistent with the CBS poll we discussed earlier in the month. Oh, I didn't mean I doubt the validity of that number. I'm just saying I figured as time went on, more people would approve of the Afghanistan War finally being over. Especially since it seemed like more people were in favor of ending the war prior to it actually being ended.
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Kirios posted:Replacing the Minnesota police force measure also failed today. It's kind of a big bummer. As someone from Minneapolis, don't worry, that change wouldn't have actually done much anyways. It would have just shuffled MPD to a different umbrella and adjust the org chart slightly. But I gotta say, the group behind that measure (Yes 4 Minneapolis) did a drat good job at raising a bunch of money/fame on a national level at our expense...
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Tarezax posted:https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1455746579047006208?s=20 I'm wondering how that 3% rent control will work out for St Paul. It applies to all rental properties, including new construction. The city needs to keep it intact for a year, but then can adjust/revoke it after that. If the city keeps it as is for the long haul, I'm very pessimistic for that city...
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Nov 3, 2021 05:14
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:New York voting down same-day registration for voting and mail-in voting for some reason. Wow, what the hell happened with 3 and 4? I know nothing about these questions/NY, but they seem like an easy win....
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Seattle seeing another situation where the "pro-police" candidate is being driven to victory by minority voters. This is the story here in Minneapolis for our mayor and a number of our city council members. I hope people are paying attention and start actually listening.... E: Sanguinia posted:Between this, Minneapolis voting down police reform and NYC electing a Pro-Cop Mayor, I just don't know what the way forward is on the cop problem. They've become as bullet-proof as the military thanks to American pop culture, and the judiciary is protecting them at every turn even as their abuses grow more blatant daily. I feel like the silver bullet is destroying Qualified Immunity, but anyone who tries to go after it will be painted as anti-cop, and even the cities with the most anti-cop sentiment and who have been most harmed by police apparently won't countenance anti-cop politicians. Colorado has already gotten rid of qualified immunity, but it's too soon to be able to see any long term effects. But it's probably a good thing to go after anyways. As far as MN, we have forced arbitration that overturns firings, so that's something to focus on. But I think hiring standards is probably one of the bigger things to focus on? Kalit fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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Hellblazer187 posted:Is there an age breakdown on the procop/anticop voters? I don't know anyone under 45 who doesn't say poo poo like ACAB or whatever. But I guess I don't know that many people. For Minneapolis, there was some various police-related questions that gave an age breakdown on a recent poll before the election. It seemed to vary when it came down to age breakdown for all voters vs Black voters. I would recommend looking through all of these to get an idea. For example, one question was asking about reducing the number of police officers. When it came to all voters, ~33% stated should for those under 50 vs ~23.5% stated should for those 50+ (estimate was from me, since all voters gave a more detailed age breakdown). However, when it came to Black voters, 13% stated should for those under 50 vs 16% stated should for those 50+. It gets a little more nuanced than that because of those who stated not sure, but it's still a stark contrast. Kalit fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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rscott posted:Yesterday I think we were wondering why those ballot initiatives in new york tanked so hard:  Well.... that answers that
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Youth Decay posted:The prosecutor also sucks, doesn't make Rittenhouse any less guilty but does make it easier for the judge/defense (who are essentially the same at this point) to muddy the waters. Basically this. I'm so grateful that my state didn't have this lovely of a prosecution team during the trial against Chauvin. I feel like Binger was asking a number of questions to Rittenhouse on cross examination that he [Binger] didn't even know the answer to. Not to mention all of the issues that others ITT had brought up. I feel like the ineptness of the prosecution team is going to be why Rittenhouse is found not guilty..... Kalit fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Nov 11, 2021 |
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the_steve posted:lol If you want to see an anecdotal example of how leftism fails at connecting with people, take a look at what happened this year with ballot question #2 in Minneapolis. The group behind that ballot initiative (Yes 4 Minneapolis) couldn't have cared less about connecting with local people who are most impacted by policing. They seemed to have cared a lot more about their national image. And they even managed to raise quite a bit more money than the main opposing group (All of Minneapolis). Granted, this ballot question wouldn't have actually done much to change MPD/policing anyways, but that's a different story. E: If you're specifically talking about the Left on a nation-wide level, then ignore my post. Kalit fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Nov 16, 2021 |
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Gumball Gumption posted:I wonder what happened to that whole occupy movement. They sure we're a bunch of leftists who were making charges in the discourse and were getting people to listen to them and pay more attention to what's going on. Honestly you really can point to them as the start of a lot of the public awareness in how influenced things are. What's your point? That happens to a lot of movements and it hadn't ended them. Hell, look at the history of the ALF/them being labeled as a domestic terrorism threat and what's now become of the national conversation about animal consumption since then. If anything, it should make you realize that going along with the mainstream is the easiest way to sway public opinion. Since, going back to my analogy about animal consumption, that's what largely happened when Beyond/Impossible broke that barrier with nation-wide chain restaurants. Kalit fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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WI needs to fire all prosecutors involved with this case. Holy poo poo, they did such a terrible job with it…
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Nov 19, 2021 19:17
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:What is, in your opinion, the appropriate response Fire all of the state prosecutors involved with this case. They are 100% responsible for this verdict. Mellow Seas posted:There were a hell of a lot of fires in Kenosha in 2020 and somehow the only person who killed anybody was Kyle Rittenhouse, so... Just because no one died from the fires in Kenosha doesn’t mean it’s not possible? It happened in Minneapolis last year… Kalit fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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Nov 19, 2021 19:50
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https://twitter.com/kcstar/status/1461782907480125449?s=21 In non-Rittenhouse news, another cop has been found guilty of manslaughter. Hopefully more and more cops will start being held responsible for their actions
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The worst submarine posted:Three black men dead and Kyle gets to walk. Wow. Ummmm….maybe you should read at least 1 article about the case?
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:I hope this happens. Not at a Trump rally, but NFAC have done some open carry demonstrations. Can’t say it turned out well…. https://abcnews.go.com/US/members-armed-militia-shot-breonna-taylor-protest/story?id=71990031
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Nov 19, 2021 22:24
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Since discussing the reasoning behind the verdict is verboten I guess, my verdict-neutral take is that the prosecution tried some shameful bullshit. Whatever you feel about this specific case, implying that using your right not to talk to cops equates to guilt is terrible. Providing the defense with inferior versions of evidence you discovered after the trial started is terrible. They deserved to lose based on that alone. Yea, I honestly still can’t figure out the prosecution’s strategy. I can only come up with 3 possibilities in my mind. 1) they knew they couldn’t win the case, so they were trying literally anything they possibly can. Even if it meant disobeying the judge’s orders to try to sneak information to the jury. 2) the prosecution were purposefully trying to gently caress up enough to get a mistrial [without prejudice] declared 3) the prosecution are just that incompetent when it comes to putting together a case and arguing it in a trial I have no idea which it is. I’m kind of suspecting #1
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Bel Shazar posted:Think bigger, comrade Abolish all humans
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FlamingLiberal posted:Then you have the guy in Portland who I fixed that for you. Kalit fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Nov 20, 2021 04:25
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Herstory Begins Now posted:only evidence that they supposedly have of him firing a gun is that they found a bullet casing in his car. Fine, I guess I shouldn't have claimed that as a fact in that part in my post. But, honestly, I can't say I wouldn't be super jumpy when trying to confront a person grabbing at an object in their waist who's on the run, known to be armed, and had just talked about his gunshot being the start of a civil war. Gumball Gumption posted:What's your point? That Reinoehl's a huge piece of poo poo that seems to be praised by leftists for some stupid reason. I don't know if FlamingLiberal intended praise or not, but it's my gut reaction when someone downplays what Reinoehl did. Especially since FlamingLiberal claimed he was in his own driveway when he was in a friend's driveway while trying to run and hide. Kalit fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Nov 20, 2021 05:43
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Jaxyon posted:I like how you're just rolling past lying about key facts. How many of those conservatives are on the run from the police because they stalked and murdered another person that currently posed zero threat to them?
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Fister Roboto posted:Do you think he deserved to be gunned down because of this? Honestly, I cannot give a simple yes/no to this question. Not really, but I believe it ending in tragedy was inevitable. And this outcome was better than a huge shootout where even more people died. Obviously, I don't believe in cops being the judge/jury/executioner. However, in this case, I don't see a peaceful outcome. Based on his prior actions/current actions/VICE interview, I believe he 100% would have opened fire at the officers instead of getting arrested. If the feds chose to not attempt to apprehend him, I think this would also be terrible. This could lead to him to commit more murders in the future, as he showed no remorse for this one and thought it was the right thing to do. Kalit fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Nov 20, 2021 07:11
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the_steve posted:Gonna go out on a limb here and say that's largely in part because when a right-wing nutjob murders someone, the cops are off on the side cheering them on, and that's when the nutjob in question isn't also the cop. So not even 1 specific example when you were insinuating that a lot of conservatives in Portland are just as much of a threat as Reinoehl?
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the_steve posted:Are you seriously going to pretend that the cops don't ignore right-wingers who are every bit as/more dangerous than he was? I never stated or insinuated that right-wingers can't be as dangerous as Reinoehl and/or cops don't sometimes ignore them. I was insinuating that Reinoehl was much more dangerous than stereotypical conservatives in Portland who own guns/have some history of violence/talk about a civil war. So you can gently caress off with your disingenuous attempt at putting words in my mouth Ravenfood posted:Having a tacit understanding that the police won't show up and murder you in a driveway with an almost comical excess of force because you killed someone helps keep you from running from the police. If Rittenhouse wouldn't have turned himself in, went on the run for a week trying to hide from the police, gave an interview to a news outlet (i.e. something like OANN) about how his bullet sparked a civil war, and this exact same federal task force scenario played out, I can't imagine too many people here would be outraged by it. I know I wouldn't be outraged, because like Reinoehl, I figured Rittenhouse would rather go down guns blazing than get arrested. Hell, a number of people would probably think it's a better outcome since if they managed to get Rittenhouse arrested, they figured he wouldn't get convicted and would walk (like what just happened). Kalit fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Fister Roboto posted:OK but that's not what happened so I don't see how the hypothetical scenario you imagined is relevant. My original point was this was both an understatement and a lie: FlamingLiberal posted:Then you have the guy in Portland who shot a Proud Boy and the cops just executed him in his driveway to the delight of Trump I admit, part of why I tried to correct it (while loving up myself and including what I thought was fairly factual about him firing at least 1 shot, which is unknown) is because I get annoyed at people praising Reinoehl as a hero, even though I don't think this was FlamingLiberal's intent. And then it got sidetracked from there. For your question, it depends on what you mean by justified. Should it have happened this way? From all we know, absolutely not. But given all the extreme circumstances of Reinoehl/the crime he was wanted for/that incident up to that point, if the cops who shot first honestly thought they saw a gun and/or him reaching in his pocket/waistband, I can understand their perspective even if I don't agree with it. There seemed to be no good outcome of that situation. Kalit fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Jaxyon posted:Remember the time you got caught lying about reinoehl shooting at police and just blew past that and never mentioned it again? Maybe you should do a better job at reading my posts on this very page? Kalit posted:I admit, part of why I tried to correct it (while loving up myself and including what I thought was fairly factual about him firing at least 1 shot, which is unknown) is because I get annoyed at people praising Reinoehl as a hero, even though I don't think this was FlamingLiberal's intent. And then it got sidetracked from there.
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readingatwork posted:Kalit are you a conservative? I’m not mad, I’m just fascinated because I thought the last of the conservatives fled DnD back in the Obama years. If you think my arguments/thoughts are similar to a conservative, that would really surprise me and lead me to suspect you never interact with any. I'm not a conservative and I've hated cops my whole life. However, that doesn't mean I think they lie 100% of the time/am always outraged at 100% of the things they do because context/situations aren't all identical. Kalit fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:dude the cops drove up, didn't announce themselves, and shot him to death. total time from initiating contact to him getting shot was zero seconds. he was dead a couple seconds later. That poster stated Reineohl was executed in his own driveway. He was not, he had run away from where he lived and was hiding hours away. I wasn't saying that the term executed was the lie. I didn't explicitly state what part was a lie because I thought it was obvious enough. Apparently not 
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Rad Russian posted:SALT was capped by Trump/GOP as a direct punishment to liberal states who voted against him. These states already spent a disproportionate amount of their federal tax money to subsidize shithole southern welfare states and he wanted to ensure that they spend EVEN MORE money to subsidize these shithole southern welfare states. If the cap stays, NJ and others will have no alternatives other than lowering state taxes on upper-middle-class/rich which will cut social benefits for everyone else in those states. Seeing Trump's actions on SALT praised here as a good thing that should stay is really bizarre. I don’t care about the reason why the SALT deduction was capped. The SALT deduction is a tax break for the rich. gently caress it and the entire deduction should be eliminated
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1461843293600423949 I swear, Swalwell always says the most stupid poo poo. He's not even in the senate. Hopefully someone will primary him next year (I say knowing nothing about his district).
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CommieGIR posted:We did. And we have. So: thanks for making assumptions about what we will and won't do. I have to say, if you cut ties solely based on them voting for a Republican, than that seems extremely lovely. I hope that was only a contributing factor.
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Trazz posted:There is nothing lovely about cutting ties with members of a white supremacist party Trazz posted:Voting for a white supremacist party is "utterly meaningless" and totally something that good people do, right? You want to know the best way to boost white supremacy support in the US? By ostracizing nearly half of the country based on a vague category that they vote for every 2-4 years and nothing else. Kalit fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Nov 22, 2021 |
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socialsecurity posted:If shunning a person makes them more white supremacist then it wasn't wrong to shun them in the first place, this just seems like going out of the way to blame everything on not the right. That said I don't think kicking ever R voter out of your life has much of an effect but some things like telling Grandpa he's a piece of poo poo when he talks about gay people does seem to work, I'm sure there's a line there and it's different for each person. Trazz posted:"By talking about how it's raining, you're the one making it rain!"  Do you not know that shunning/ostracizing humans because of X can push them further towards X? I feel like that's basic psychology, there's plenty of studies on this. For a single, easy example, you can see https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1368430220917215. From the concluding remarks:quote:Taken together, we believe that the present studies show that social exclusion, especially in combination with the individual trait rejection sensitivity, may play an important role in who becomes radicalized. Moreover, the mechanism seems to be independent of ideological content. In the preventive work on radicalization, policy makers must appreciate the impact of social factors in the radicalization process. This article highlights how basic human needs for affiliation and belongingness may push individuals in a destructive direction. We side with Moghaddam (2005) in stating that we need to focus on the individuals who are still on the ground floor and on preventive work, rather than on those already at the top of the staircase.
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socialsecurity posted:So if you aren't super nice to a racist it's your fault they get even more racist? Please tell me where I said this? Unless you think everyone who votes for any Republican is a racist, regardless of everything else. In which case, you should probably realize that the Democratic party isn't great with dismantling systemic racism....
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socialsecurity posted:The only way your third quote works is if someone was already racist, or X as you mention, so shunning someone for being racist makes them more racist, which in the second quote you are implying that shunning people for being racist is boosting white supremacy. Doesn't seem very confusing at all. I thought it was obvious that I meantKalit posted:
And I brought up the Democratic party as an insinuation that if you think everyone who votes for a Republican is a racist simply because of the party they vote for, you could also make the same argument for everyone who votes for a Democrat. And no, I do not use "lib" as an insult. Kalit fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Nov 22, 2021 |
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Willa Rogers posted:Speaking of which, some tidbits from a Third Way-conducted focus group: Can’t say that it’s too surprising that 18 swing voters who voted for Biden in 2020 and are unsure who they are voting for in 2024 aren’t paying much attention to politics in general…. The full report can be found here: https://thirdway.imgix.net/pdfs/override/Qualitative-Research-Findings-%96-Virginia-Post-Election-Research.pdf
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Cite the later part of that statement please? Because they actually said they stopped.  Maybe you should re-evaluate your position when you're clinging so desperately to "at least the administration claimed that US citizens wouldn't be specifically targeted". Especially since it makes you sound like you think less of people who aren't US citizens.
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PeterCat posted:That same deal Trump made has the US pulling out by May, 2021. Blaming Trump for how badly the pull out went in Afghanistan mirrors the Obama-Biden administration blaming the Status of Forces Agreement negotiated by Bush for the poor results of pulling the troops from Iraq. Biden wants to claim credit for ending the war in Afghanistan while shifting the blame for the way he did it on the Trump administration. Not to mention that Obama and Biden had 8 years to remove the troops from Afghanistan and didn't. Are you upset because the withdrawal wasn't planned well enough or because it wasn't executed soon enough?
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JonathonSpectre posted:Listen, I know the police are just gunning unarmed people down left and right and I do care about that... As a side note, you should probably think about what burning down stores, even corporate ones, can mean for a neighborhood. Here in Minneapolis, burning/destroying the Target across the street from the 3rd precinct, along with the other two nearby corporate grocery stores, created a food desert in the neighborhood for months. This creates serious problems for the residents, especially those without cars. I obviously agree with defending property isn't worth taking lives. But treating burned down corporate stores as "lol who cares" makes you seem really out of touch. E: VVVV The people who were arrested for arson were overwhelmingly (or completely?) from outside of Minneapolis. They certainly weren't residents of Longfellow/East Phillips. And what about Cub and Aldi? Kalit fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Nov 25, 2021 |
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HonorableTB posted:War is war, there's sometimes collateral damage. Things can be rebuilt and repaired. Lives can't be un-lost, and on balance no property will ever be worth lives. Never feel bad about the destruction of the tools of capital that are used to keep people in wage slavery and under the boot of a system that perpetuates misery and calls it growth. Indeed, it's a moral imperative since that is the only method to actually harm capitalism: their money And who cares about the lives affected/destroyed by those who are doing the great [anarchist] work [of destroying the tools of capital]. One day, they'll see that this is the better solution and the ends always justify the means  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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