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FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Oral arguments are ongoing in the Texas abortion cases right now (thread)

https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1455172114642837511?s=20

# ¿ Nov 1, 2021 16:58

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 00:32

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

We're going to be negotiating this bill until the heat-death of the universe

https://twitter.com/awprokop/status/1455237655495598085?s=20

https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1455235335957450761?s=20

Manchin is lying about 'deficit concerns' as well

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1455239658896510979?s=20

# ¿ Nov 1, 2021 19:34

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Apparently the Progressives are going to try and call Manchin's bluff

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1455291213578448900?s=20

# ¿ Nov 1, 2021 23:15

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

J.A.B.C. posted:

Called it. He's never going to come to a deal because holding it up gives him more money and attention, and he can couch it in 'oh I just have CONCERNS' until Biden is gone and the bill is dead, and face no consequence.

I've thought that Progressives should have called his bluff weeks ago, because he's clearly not negotiating in good faith and would rather just only pass the BIF bill and torpedo the BBB bill if he thought he could get away with it. He's just mad now because he knows that if he tried to do that he gets nothing, and he doesn't like that the CPC is rightly holding back on voting for the BIF bill until the BBB bill is also on the floor.

# ¿ Nov 1, 2021 23:59

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

I still think McAuliffe wins but it�s going to be by 2-3 points

# ¿ Nov 2, 2021 13:08

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

When Democrats don�t tangibly make people�s lives better and/or offer more than �I�m not the other guy�, it leaves an opening for fascists.

This is going to keep happening because neoliberal capitalism is wholly unsuited for handling the crises it has created.

Right; and it works some of the time so they'll never give up on it

McAuliffe straight-up ran the 'TRUMP BAD' of Hillary 2016 and it had a predictable result

Say what you will about Biden, but the messaging he and his surrogates had going into November was that if you voted for him they would get things done (which they are of course not currently getting done).

# ¿ Nov 3, 2021 02:06

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Gripweed posted:

So safe money is on the Dems blaming critical race theory for their loss here, right? I wonder how that's going to effect races in the midterms. They don't have a good response to Republican complaints about CRT, because the complaints are absurd and nonsensical, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see some Dem candidates come out against CRT too.

No it's fine, they're already blaming progressives, which is what happens any time some random centrist loses a race they should never have lost

# ¿ Nov 3, 2021 03:02

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Neurolimal posted:

Now that it's clear that you can run a counter-campaign after losing a primary, and at least half of the local party will support you over the actual winner, I cant imagine any centrist incumbent ever willingly backing down to a left challenger. Clearly you can do that and democrat voters will reward you for it.

This strategy doesn't always work, but Brown did everything he could to gently caress over Walton and it seems like it succeeded

# ¿ Nov 3, 2021 03:18

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Murphy is barely going to win in a state that Biden won by 16

This doesn�t bode well for states that aren�t solid blue

# ¿ Nov 3, 2021 13:11

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Edmund Lava posted:

NYS just voted to reject the proposals for redistributing changes, and two voting reforms allowing for mail in voting and same day registration. Just a loving miserable night. I loving hate this.

I really don�t get how that happens

Was there a lobbying effort against it?

# ¿ Nov 3, 2021 13:37

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

This is really a big red flag for the midterms

https://twitter.com/politicsmaps/status/1455883420848967682?s=21

The Dems� coalition of suburban voters that allowed Biden to win has already collapsed

# ¿ Nov 3, 2021 14:38

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

VitalSigns posted:

This is why I was skeptical of the turn to suburban voters in the first place, despite how much-vaunted it was in liberal circles, on these boards, etc

The college educated suburbs isn't some magical land free from racism in contrast to the working class neighborhoods and rural areas populated by nothing but stupid racist troglodytes or whatever.

Affluent white suburbanites basically agreed with pretty much all of Trump's platform because it was just the standard Republican platform, they were just offended that it was packaged in aggressive confrontational loutish wrapping rather than smug condescending dogwhistle wrapping.

Not really a surprise they gravitated back to it once it had a smiling urbane sweater-vested face man again, good thing Democrats didn't garrotte union and working class support to make that pivot...oh wait what's that? They did? Oh god

Right; I knew when Biden eked out a victory last year on the backs of people who primarily hated Trump that this was not a winning strategy long-term. A lot of them didn�t necessarily disagree with the platform Trump or the GOP put forward but they just thought he was too much of an rear end in a top hat.

# ¿ Nov 3, 2021 14:49

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Booourns posted:

https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1455716232007757825/photo/2
At the very least, next time the democratic party should not run ads for their opponent lol

IIRC, Hillary�s campaign did something like this during the GOP primary

# ¿ Nov 3, 2021 21:51

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Pamela Springstein posted:

Joe Biden during the campaign was asked about marijuana and he said it should stay illegal because it's a gateway drug. He also said he doesn't care about student loan debt, he'd veto medicare 4 all, and told rich donors that nothing would fundamentally change.

He could do lots of things to reverse his fortunes but he's against those things. when a candidate tells you what they stand for, listen to them.

Yes I feel like people forget that Biden was the most conservative person running in the Dem primary

He was to the right of party consensus on every issue

# ¿ Nov 3, 2021 23:44

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

I think I also read that turnout was low in NYC and the bluer parts of the state as well, while it was higher in the Upstate red areas

# ¿ Nov 4, 2021 00:41

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Epic High Five posted:

The Progressives haven't budged and have been on the side of both leadership and the White House the entire time. This months long media hell circus is entirely, 100% on the moderates and their refusal to lay anything out or do anything but pout.

Yes and the Progressives have just been sticking to what the White House has wanted anyway

It's Sinema, Manchin, and a couple of others who have made this into a giant circus

# ¿ Nov 4, 2021 00:54

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Small White Dragon posted:

We might have had the infrastructure bill already if it wasn�t for the progressives holding out.

So no, they are far from blameless in this.

The only reason the infrastructure bill exists is that Manchin wanted it as a separate bill before he would consider voting for all of the other stuff he doesn't like

Originally this was all supposed to be one bill

# ¿ Nov 4, 2021 01:29

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

a.lo posted:

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1456237510707798018?s=21

says the person blocking everything

Manchin doing the �we�re all trying to find the guy who did this� meme

# ¿ Nov 4, 2021 15:55

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

God I loving hate having to get up in the dark. It sucks rear end. I�m not sure why these people want to send their kids to school in total darkness but fine.

# ¿ Nov 4, 2021 21:24

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

I don't understand what Pelosi is doing. She's essentially allowing 6 lovely moderates to foul everything up and siding with them rather than the much larger contingent of Progressives who have been the ones supporting Biden's agenda the whole time. Now the WH is trying to pressure the Progressives to cave, which is ludicrous.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2021 02:03

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Nucleic Acids posted:

It makes perfect sense once you realize Pelosi fully agrees with and supports the moderates.

I don't disagree, but on a pure numbers basis, trying to pressure the larger group is dumber

# ¿ Nov 6, 2021 02:15

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Magic Underwear posted:

Luv 2 give up my only leverage for a contingent non binding promise nominally based on a budget analysis of a bill that never would have become law because it hasn't been through the senate yet. Luckily the people making the promise don't actually care how the report comes out it's just a cynical maneuver to get their way, it makes it seem less absurd that way.

I definitely don't trust Gottheimer, and I doubt that this deal involves Sinema/Manchin, so the Senate could still gently caress this up

# ¿ Nov 6, 2021 02:26

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Lemming posted:

But it's assured! Just like how before it was assured they would only go in at the same time so this exact situation wouldn't happen lmao

Yeah this is why I don't think you can trust any deals that aren't binding, after you have given up your leverage

# ¿ Nov 6, 2021 02:46

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Moderates want the SALT stuff, but I doubt Manchin cares. He�s going to get the bill he wants and that will be the ballgame

# ¿ Nov 6, 2021 04:33

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Blind Pineapple posted:

I actually do believe the house moderates will live up to their end of the bargain and vote for BBB this month, but is there any other endgame here besides the senate butchering the bill to the point of worthlessness, or just voting it down outright behind Sinema and Manchin?

Most likely scenario is that Manchin walks away

Everything he wanted was in the BIF bill, which only exists because he demanded it

# ¿ Nov 6, 2021 04:57

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Darkrenown posted:

BIF still needs to pass the senate though, right? Isn't it still possible that either Bernie or someone refuses to vote for it, or the 10 needed GOP votes decide they want changes or don't want to go with it? Or did I miss it being a done deal already?

No, it passed through the Senate months ago

# ¿ Nov 6, 2021 06:14

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

NBD, just a sitting member of Congress threatening violence over vaccine mandates

https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1457005871377043457?s=21

# ¿ Nov 6, 2021 17:23

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Yeah nothing will happen to O�Keefe

He got caught red-handed trying to wiretap a US Senator�s office and he got a slap on the wrist

# ¿ Nov 6, 2021 17:51

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

I believe a lot of schools went back here in FL back in what, April or May? I don't think that's an issue.

I do think people are underestimating the fact that suburban voters, who in the past have tended to vote more GOP, are once again doing so because Trump is no longer on the ballot and Youngkin successfully kept enough of a distance from Trump in public to at least appear he doesn't support a lot of the same stuff that Trump does.

# ¿ Nov 8, 2021 03:28

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Willa Rogers posted:

Is AOC correct in saying that universal pre-K was stripped from BBB?

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1457443366032056323

This is the first I've heard, previously it was still in there

# ¿ Nov 8, 2021 03:39

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Dubar posted:

Picking Harris over Duckworth seemed like a bad idea at the time, and, upon further consideration, still seems like a bad idea

I mean, anyone is an improvement over Harris except for like Mayo Pete

# ¿ Nov 8, 2021 22:27

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It's not the "official" CBO score, but the CRFB analysis shows that the House version of BBB's revenue provisions would cover all of the costs and reduce the deficit, which would trigger the House moderate agreement to pass it immediately.

Obviously, the Senate is the big question mark.

https://twitter.com/BudgetHawks/status/1457796357868060675

My concern has never been with the House moderates, it's that Manchin/Sinema weren't a party to the agreement with the CPC and don't have to cooperate now that their bill has passed.

So until I hear a firm statement of support from Manchin I'm going to be pessimistic that it goes anywhere.

# ¿ Nov 9, 2021 00:20

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Crosby B. Alfred posted:

:jfc: He's insane.

Hawley has been an odd politician since he came into office. He spent a number of years saying that he wanted to ban game companies from doing things like loot boxes (which border on gambling and are illegal in a good chunk of Europe, but not here). Now he's going all-in on this weird anti-porn, anti video-game stance.

# ¿ Nov 9, 2021 03:18

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

ex post facho posted:

Any news on the ongoing BBB negotiations? We got a pinky-promise swear we'd see a vote by next Monday.

CBO score comes out this week I believe

I haven�t heard yet if Manchin has commented on the House deal

# ¿ Nov 9, 2021 19:53

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Yeah those seat sensors are very sensitive. When I just have my work bag in the front seat it sometimes trips that alert.

# ¿ Nov 9, 2021 20:43

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haveblue posted:

Can't wait for someone to send a decent chunk of the city budget to a random hacker

I can absolutely see Adams himself falling for that

# ¿ Nov 10, 2021 01:11

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Hellblazer187 posted:

I can explain crypto in 30 seconds or less:

Computers do unnecessary math problems so the dumbest people in the world can have fake money.

*which also is extremely energy intensive and awful for the environment

# ¿ Nov 10, 2021 01:42

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Zotix posted:

Federal judge denied trumps executive privilege claim.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/politics/trump-documents-january-6-committee-national-archives-judge-ruling/index.html

Pretty unsurprising

He�s no longer the President, so from what I understand the current President gets a lot of leeway on this

# ¿ Nov 10, 2021 05:26

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Calling this now- Manchin is going to use the inflation thing as a reason to spike the BBB

https://twitter.com/sen_joemanchin/status/1458443966135902221?s=21

# ¿ Nov 10, 2021 15:53

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 00:32

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Fatal Error in Newsom.exe

https://twitter.com/srodd_cpr/status/1458166701145538564?s=21

# ¿ Nov 10, 2021 16:26

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