US Current Events November: D&D's Afghanistan

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rscott: Dec 10, 2009

lol @ all the crowing that 1.2 + 1.8 trillion was this transformational amount of spending that was going to help so many people, biggest expansion of the safety net since the Great Society, etc

We're getting a trillion if we're lucky

# ¿ Nov 1, 2021 19:56

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# ¿ May 12, 2024 09:26

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

AmiYumi posted:

Hey, here’s an idea: instead of starting this bad faith trolling on page three of the new thread, maybe don’t?

Not every mention of the dominant politics of the region needs some shitposter to stroll in with “there are poor people stuck there too, checkmate guess Dems are the real racists ”

lol poor black people in the south really are just cudgels for liberals to drag out every 4 years against leftists, posts like this make it so very clear

# ¿ Nov 1, 2021 21:43

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1455591829198577668?t=c5qdZaXvUNcFjGTt-dH33w&s=19

Justice for Gizmo

# ¿ Nov 2, 2021 19:35

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1455595743545286658?t=nYyg841Y0qa7crEIONfllw&s=19

Democrats correcting the biggest injustice of the TJCA lol

# ¿ Nov 2, 2021 20:00

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

Thom12255 posted:

Thats insane, how are they keeping the bill price at $1.8T with retroactive salt?

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1455609793889120272?t=mxLOoxo8UPrF9HBhqyR_4A&s=19

Poor Pelosi.

It looks like they're extending the SALT cap through 2031 to do a little CBO scoring magic, I'm sure they'll end up passing something in reconciliation next year to outright repeal it to keep the donors happy

Still though, this is more spending for rich people than climate spending, or the CTC expansion or anything else. I guess Willa really was right

# ¿ Nov 2, 2021 20:10

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Where are you getting this?

Climate spending is ~$565 billion in the recon bill (plus an additional $150 billion in the bipartisan bill for a total of $715 billion)

The SALT plan is ~$115 billion.

It was already set to expire automatically in 2025.

Because this version has an income cap and only lasts 5 years, the gimmick they are doing is to count the year after 2025 when the SALT could would have been repealed entirely as "savings based on current law." This version is about 30% the cost of a complete cap removal, so it is "less spending compared to current law" because the new cap will be in place in 2025 instead of a completely uncapped version. They are basically removing the cap from "total amount you can deduct," but implementing a cap on eligibility based on income.

Where are you getting $115 billion from? The CFRB says $475
https://twitter.com/DanRiffle/status/1455625031577391112?t=OmLDJhqFY_hNBoT77IP8xw&s=19

# ¿ Nov 2, 2021 21:08

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

That estimate is full repeal with no income cap.

The draft version that the Senate Budget committee released has an income cap of $400,000.

If they do actually fully repeal it with no income cap, then that figure is correct and they will also need to raise more revenue to pay for it because the budget gimmicks can only cover a maximum of about $400 billion. It would still be less than the climate spending in the bill, though.

Edit: Actually, since the current revenue projections are about $230 billion over the spending in the bill, they could use budget gimmickery + some of the gap there to cover a full repeal without having to raise new revenue.

Can you actually link to what you're quoting?

# ¿ Nov 2, 2021 21:25

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

Yesterday I think we were wondering why those ballot initiatives in new york tanked so hard:

https://twitter.com/therealjsolo/status/1456022153581711366?t=RIoSxa8jkj1Uq7AJiQsMbw&s=19

I think this definitely explains some of the reason why, and is pretty mind boggling

# ¿ Nov 4, 2021 00:22

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

Jay Jacobs was too busy making sure India Walton wouldn't be mayor of buffalo to worry himself about some ballot initiatives, perfectly understandable

# ¿ Nov 4, 2021 00:45

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

https://twitter.com/SteveESpaulding/status/1456228162283741188?t=q68mImW2MjYBUDK1-D7lIA&s=19

+1 for killing the fillibuster for voting rights legislation

# ¿ Nov 4, 2021 13:31

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

TulliusCicero posted:

...How is "removing a massive financial burden off of most of the younger generations" not meaningfully improving chances at victory?

Is this country that full of FYGM NIMBY fucks that we can never pass any positive legislation again? In that case why the gently caress even have a government: we've already lost.

The idea that Democrats wouldn't instantly gain more votes by wiping out student loan debt is loving ridiculous.

Same with legalized weed. Same with universal healthcare.

You're really overestimating the number of people who actually go to college and accrue significant debt

# ¿ Nov 5, 2021 13:39

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

I know this is an edge case, but I wonder how that weekly median income chart is generated exactly. In my case, I was forced to move to salary from hourly this summer and given a nominal increase in wages to compensate (lmao it's worth like 1 hour of OT a week). This summer I probably worked 150 hours of unpaid OT (before I said gently caress this poo poo and told my boss to reassign duties away from me to drop 15 hours a week), but in terms of hourly pay it looks like I'm making 7-8% more than I was last year or 2019, despite being on track to make like 20k less. Do they look at direct payrolls or do the extrapolate it from nominal hourly wages * 40?

# ¿ Nov 9, 2021 19:42

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/econ...09T20%3A15%3A06

This is another data point that might explain why. Savings might be up for people but so are their debt loads, and it's largely housing and automobile related, so not spending that's really discretionary. If your wages are up, but your car loan is $500/month for the next 72 months you might not feel like you're doing all that great.

# ¿ Nov 9, 2021 21:36

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

Zotix posted:

I dunno. Renting and being able to move to a different market on a moments notice is really enticing.

If you aren't locked into a lease that makes you pay thousands of dollars to break it

# ¿ Nov 9, 2021 22:27

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

hobbez posted:

Seems like he still has the right to claim self defense, based on that definition.

How? He could have tossed his gun aside and given up any pretense of causing gross bodily harm to others but he didn't.

# ¿ Nov 12, 2021 03:39

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

https://twitter.com/TerryMoran/status/1459849916034002951?t=35f7XJT2QZO8aIxwAtKm6A&s=19

Big Yikes here. They only lost by like what, 7 points in 2010?

# ¿ Nov 14, 2021 17:06

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

Space debris is 100% a thing that prevents people from making money Right Now, so it's guaranteed that resources will be invested into solving that problem

# ¿ Nov 16, 2021 00:50

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

Why are you conflating government owned production with socialism, unless this is some kind of irony posting to prove the point

# ¿ Nov 16, 2021 22:18

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1460767301213507591?t=Bb0dmcnamq9xOehT2wQA2w&s=19

Where does this fall on the principled stand/performative bullshit spectrum? I know what I think but I'm curious what the wider internet left thinks

# ¿ Nov 17, 2021 01:42

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

A big flaming stink posted:

https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1460297812042788871

its a very bitter lol that all the memes joking about cops being psychotic murderers turn out to be just 100% factual reporting said in a joking tone

e: uh, massive CW: animal abuse for that thread on twitter

You know what they say, the police are like a box of chocolates; they'll kill your dog

# ¿ Nov 17, 2021 14:26

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rscott: Dec 10, 2009

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1461682195857293317?t=q6XbdTz72Q1NcvKhahPWBQ&s=19

Curious that Biden is doing this now, after all the protests that he simply can't even start the process of getting rid of DeJoy. If you were going to do it, why wait almost an entire year?

# ¿ Nov 19, 2021 14:31

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