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Why didn't the Ravens call some screens or dump passes to burn that heavy blitzing? It seems like something that most OCs would have easily adjusted to. Does Lamar struggle with those quick short throws?
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Mr. Nice! posted:Why didn't the Ravens call some screens Oh boy do I have some news for you...
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They called a lot of screens. The Dolphins didn't just blitz al those guys on those plays, they'd just muddle up the LOS, swamping the Ravens' running game and flying to the ball when he'd try to throw those no blocker screens.
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I see other teams copying that until doesn't work anymore
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Kalli posted:They called a lot of screens. the hot read being a bunch of bubble screens was awful lol. especially when jackson, very weirdly, throws absolutely dogshit screen passes. i have no idea why they didn't attack the middle more
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D-LINK posted:I see other teams copying that until doesn't work anymore I mean for an entire game the Ravens didn’t adjust so like yeah until they show they can do something else keep doing it
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Borsche69 posted:the hot read being a bunch of bubble screens was awful lol. especially when jackson, very weirdly, throws absolutely dogshit screen passes. i have no idea why they didn't attack the middle more The Dolphins did a good job dropping back their coverage unit to clog the middle of the field then rallying to the ball when the screen passes came. Most likely this weakness is a nice little combination of not being able to run and having no good release valve in the passing game thanks to all the RB and OL injuries. The real concerning thing is the Ravens weren't able to beat them with deep passes in the face of that pressure. Hollywood and Watkins in theory should eat well constantly matched up one on one. Both had a bad game.
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Borsche69 posted:the hot read being a bunch of bubble screens was awful lol. especially when jackson, very weirdly, throws absolutely dogshit screen passes. i have no idea why they didn't attack the middle more I don't know if this is accurate or not but I feel like a lot of Lamar's short passes take WAY too long to get where they need to due to the arc from his throwing motion. I can remember one out route to Brown that should have been an easy completion that seemed to hang in the air way too long and let the defender make a play. I think some of the weirdness can be attributed to the lovely position of being the thurs night road team with very little time to prepare for the game. But not all of it.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:The Dolphins did a good job dropping back their coverage unit to clog the middle of the field then rallying to the ball when the screen passes came. Most likely this weakness is a nice little combination of not being able to run and having no good release valve in the passing game thanks to all the RB and OL injuries. The real concerning thing is the Ravens weren't able to beat them with deep passes in the face of that pressure. Hollywood and Watkins in theory should eat well constantly matched up one on one. Both had a bad game. True. I think Bell could add a little something to the dump off routes by virtue of his soft hands but he's probably not really fast enough to actually leak out quick and find space. Kawalimus posted:I don't know if this is accurate or not but I feel like a lot of Lamar's short passes take WAY too long to get where they need to due to the arc from his throwing motion. I can remember one out route to Brown that should have been an easy completion that seemed to hang in the air way too long and let the defender make a play. Nah I noticed the same thing. Its weird given how strong his arm is - his 10-15 yard passes have so much zip on them, and then the stuff at the LoS feels like he's trying to finesse it too much.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Does Lamar struggle with throws? Why yes, it appears so!
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D-LINK posted:I see other teams copying that until doesn't work anymore It's like how the Rams called the same pass play like ten times against the Seahawks because they couldn't stop it. The "stop hitting yourself" principle.
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This year defenses are really loving up offenses. KC and Buffalo are going from like having their heads in the clouds to like having existential crises the last few weeks. Baltimore just you know can't run the ball anymore. Tennessee loses to Zach Wilson. The AFC is a hot mess but in mostly a good way.
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AndrewP posted:How do you let this own you the entire game?? It happened to Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan last year too. I don't think it's fair to call it a lack of adjustment either. They did the kind of stuff that you'd use to try and beat these kind of looks. The Ravens ran a bunch of screens, but they couldn't get them blocked up very well. They tried to hit their hot routes, but the Dolphins had that bottled up pretty well by the guys who were dropping off of the LOS when it wasn't really cover-0. The Ravens best choice was probably to try and let Jackson to extend the play to get the pass off(and that almost worked the first time they saw the look when Watkins got spooked by the goalpost or whatever), but the Dolphins were pretty clever on that in that they kept lining up with safeties as their widest potential rushers in the look and had them doing disciplined containment rushes. D-LINK posted:I see other teams copying that until doesn't work anymore I don't think it's that easy to do, it's not just mugging the LOS and sending a bunch of them with man coverage behind it. There's a lot of stuff built into these kind of plays to make sure whatever the offense does in terms of blocking is "wrong"- on some of these plays every single guy on the LOS is making reads to figure out who is rushing and who is dropping based on who the OL blocks. Look at this: https://twitter.com/VBSofficial_/status/1459184994816073730 You gotta be able to survive weird poo poo like this- you end up rushing two safeties, a LB, and an OLB, while dropping a DE, DT, and OLB. You need to do a good job teaching guys who don't rush to rush, and guys who don't cover to cover, which is more something you spend the off-season doing than installing during the leadup to a game. I think it's worth noting that this is Belichick's stuff ultimately, and he really hasn't had the same success with it that Flores has had- and I think that's basically a personnel thing. A lot of this stuff is running of getting success out of like, 220 pound linebackers or safeties being very good at blitzing. Hamhandler fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Nov 13, 2021 |
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AndrewP posted:How do you let this own you the entire game?? In my limited football knowledge you beat this zero blitz stuff by either throwing to the hot or to screens, or you go max protect and throw posts and deep crosses until they do something different. I guess the Ravens picked the wrong thing to do
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Chucktesla posted:In my limited football knowledge you beat this zero blitz stuff by either throwing to the hot or to screens, or you go max protect and throw posts and deep crosses until they do something different. I guess the Ravens picked the wrong thing to do It's a cover zero look but like Hamhandler mentioned it wasn't actually cover zero most of the time. They were rushing four and playing coverage a lot, just not coverage that either Lamar or the Ravens staff figured out last night. It's a bad job by the Ravens either way of course, but it's not exactly one to one with the old 'do this when you see look this pre-snap,' they got a little crazy with the schemes. The Ravens didn't figure things out fast enough, they got a little going at the end but it was too late by then.
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I don't remember a single instance where they rushed only four. I'm interested in seeing the end zone footage because I swear to God every time I counted the rushers there were at least 6. you could set your watch to an unblocked DB screaming in from the edge.Hamhandler posted:
you know who does this a lot? some coach named Wink Martindale. so it's not like the Ravens aren't familiar with it. man that's frustrating. maybe Miami is just not the defense you want to run into on a short week with not much time to plan or practice, but I still would have liked to have seen better adjustments once they saw the kind of poo poo they were doing AndrewP fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Nov 13, 2021 |
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i've always said, since the mid-way point in my life so far where i changed my opinion, that halftime adjustments are not real
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Turns out lamar sucks and can't throw ball checkmate athiests
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AndrewP posted:I don't remember a single instance where they rushed only four. I'm interested in seeing the end zone footage because I swear to God every time I counted the rushers there were at least 6. you could set your watch to an unblocked DB screaming in from the edge. You're not going to block your way out of it. Roman tried a lot of stuff to do it- the video clip is Patrick Ricard/Le'Veon Bell max protect, there were some 2-TE shotgun looks, etc. At the end of the day blocking more guys means you're inviting more rushers to green dog blitz, and they can still bring more than you can block. IMO the correct answer is really what the Ravens ended up doing- block inside out, and have your QB negate a predictable outside rusher and make enough plays they back off of the look. IMO if you want to oversimplify that game, it's Lamar Jackson vs. Jevon Holland and the latter winning decisively. AndrewP posted:you know who does this a lot? some coach named Wink Martindale. so it's not like the Ravens aren't familiar with it. man that's frustrating. I think they made reasonable adjustments, it's just it didn't help- the Ravens didn't get a good performance from their players, and Jackson ended up shook pretty early on.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:80% of this thread is a dude ranting to homeless people that his steak wasn't cooked right. Fuckin lmao
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:80% of this thread is a dude ranting to homeless people that his steak wasn't cooked right. MR PRESIDENT! THANK YOU!
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Coming into this game it was important for the Browns or New England to make a statement. New England thoroughly housed the Browns who embarrassed themselves today thus continuing to be the Browns. I don't know what the heck this team is. On paper they supposed to be pretty drat good. In reality .500. Soft on tackling in Defense and outside of a couple players don't have that zest I see Pitts or Ravens teams have on Defense. I don't know what the excuse will be for today but welp. Don't have confidence in making the playoffs either. Maybe we end up at .500 for the year or something so I guess that's better than nothing. EDIT: Also Troy Hill died, hope he will be ok. Gatts fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Nov 14, 2021 |
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Joe Woods should have been fired after Henne’s 3rd and 14.
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How bad is PFF?  Real bad
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DariusLikewise posted:Baker sucks please don't speak ill of the dead
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Have the Browns reached the old Rams "never bet for or against" territory? No, always bet against the Browns
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Man, I wasn't expecting that. The Patriots defense had looked great!... stomping Sam Darnold and Zac Wilson into the dirt, but they just annihilated the Browns after that first drive. But it was the offense that just dominated that game. 180 rushing yards, converted like every 3rd down they attempted, great in the red zone. Just a masterful performance against a defense that had been good this year.
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My stupid loving team's QB situation is dire. Stuck between stage IV retirement level Captain Fat gently caress and a guy who is somehow worse than Landry Jones
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D-LINK posted:My stupid loving team's QB situation is dire. Stuck between stage IV retirement level Captain Fat gently caress and a guy who is somehow worse than Landry Jones Whatever happened uh... Dwayne Haskins? I mean he probably sucks, but he's gotta be better then that
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Kalli posted:Whatever happened uh... Dwayne Haskins? The Steelers still aren't convinced that they are dead wrong about Rudolph as of yet, so Haskins is on the backburner
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Kalli posted:Whatever happened uh... Dwayne Haskins? I think he's riding the pine precisely because he isn't better than Rudolph.
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The weather conditions notwithstanding if anybody thinks the Steelers should bench Ben for Rudolph, they’re confused. I don’t know what they’ll do when he retires but the answer isn’t on the roster.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I think he's riding the pine precisely because he isn't better than Rudolph. And it figures I would miss the good half of the Bills game…
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Rudolph was terrible, and he wasn't even the worst QB in that game!
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