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Chonchon
Dec 16, 2013

tokin opposition posted:

I started out like that

Then the abuse started

I'm Normal

sounds exhausting

To hear about I mean, it’s grimdark suburbpunkian stuff, no wonder americans are so hosed up

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Chonchon posted:

sounds exhausting

To hear about I mean, it’s grimdark suburbpunkian stuff, no wonder americans are so hosed up

To be fair for me it was more bumfuck nowhere country but I've come to realise in practice it's the same poo poo except in the country at least you can be noisy and run around outside if you want.

Suburbs basically have all the worst parts of urban and rural living with none of the upsides. Crowded with no community, isolation with no free space, no nature and no civilization.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Grimnarsson posted:

Who gives a poo poo what anyone says. If you're in a happy relationship, have a nice job that's not intolerable, then that's all that matters. If that is not the case however, well I don't know what to tell you.

It sounds like you don't have a lot to say to most men!

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

BigWeirdSashimi posted:

What's the endgame for "all men are wild rabid animals, you get what you deserve, pigs?"

I believe thats covered in the manifesto

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

"all men are bad and irredeemable" isn't even feminist. femcels exist and nobody is forcing you to pursue them

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana
it’s the first prong (lol) of so-called radical feminism, without which TERF ideology would collapse. I think it’s incorrect but it’s certainly an idea found within feminism as a broad historical movement

Grimnarsson
Sep 4, 2018

Neon Noodle posted:

it’s the first prong (lol) of so-called radical feminism, without which TERF ideology would collapse. I think it’s incorrect but it’s certainly an idea found within feminism as a broad historical movement

"Second wave feminism"? It is a label I've seen many times in connection to "trans exclusionary radical feminism" and other more radical forms of feminism.

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

The dialectical struggle of history has always, essentially, been a question of how to apply justice to matter. Take away matter and what remains is justice.
Is it more transphobic to say trans men are scum too or to exclude them from being scum like other fellas.

Maed
Aug 23, 2006


tokin opposition posted:

Is it more transphobic to say trans men are scum too or to exclude them from being scum like other fellas.

trans men and the straight bfs of bi women aka queer men are excluded from being scum

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Grimnarsson posted:

"Second wave feminism"? It is a label I've seen many times in connection to "trans exclusionary radical feminism" and other more radical forms of feminism.

Where do you think those all got the idea from?

Most of the people clinging to it also not surprisingly seem to have raging internal self loathing and/or be clear malignant narcissists. Especially the men, given its basically 'I'm a man, I can't help it or control myself' coming from all those woke sexual predators.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Grimnarsson posted:

"Second wave feminism"? It is a label I've seen many times in connection to "trans exclusionary radical feminism" and other more radical forms of feminism.

second wave feminism isnt necessarily misandrist its just old flawed ideology that tended to center itself around white bougie experience

third wave feminism sought to resolve its contradictions with critical theory and academic rigour which tends to not be popular with modern celebrity feminism since it requires reading books

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

maybe second-wave was relevant when white men really did control 100% of all facets of society

did girlbosses kill second-wave academics with money?

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

The dialectical struggle of history has always, essentially, been a question of how to apply justice to matter. Take away matter and what remains is justice.

Some Guy TT posted:

second wave feminism isnt necessarily misandrist its just old flawed ideology that tended to center itself around white bougie experience

third wave feminism sought to resolve its contradictions with critical theory and academic rigour which tends to not be popular with modern celebrity feminism since it requires reading books

And then we invented fourth wave feminism, which requires reading posts

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

[inconclusively] that's right

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Where do you think those all got the idea from?

Most of the people clinging to it also not surprisingly seem to have raging internal self loathing and/or be clear malignant narcissists. Especially the men, given its basically 'I'm a man, I can't help it or control myself' coming from all those woke sexual predators.

It all seems extremely white.

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

tokin opposition posted:

Is it more transphobic to say trans men are scum too or to exclude them from being scum like other fellas.

scum as in stagnant water or scum as in S.C.U.M?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Orange Devil posted:

It all seems extremely white.

Oh, that goes without saying.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWBn0nS8s0A&t=26s

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Ted Wassanasong
Apr 8, 2020

i say swears online posted:

love to find me a goon Project to settle down with

Groverspouse.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Some Guy TT posted:

second wave feminism isnt necessarily misandrist its just old flawed ideology that tended to center itself around white bougie experience

third wave feminism sought to resolve its contradictions with critical theory and academic rigour which tends to not be popular with modern celebrity feminism since it requires reading books
My take on 2nd wave feminism is that when people are thoroughly ensconced in academia and spend too much time talking to other theorists, they start saying insane poo poo like "Trans women basically commit rape with every breath they take" without considering how that might read to someone who isn't an egghead or a psychopath.

Jabarto
Apr 7, 2007

I could do with your...assistance.
That whole meme about women picking a bear over a man is getting really out of hand. I wouldn't mind it so much if literally anyone was bothering to point out that most violence against women is from men they know, and the mere act of asking that question grossly misrepresents how violence against women happens and who is most affected by it.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Jabarto posted:

That whole meme about women picking a bear over a man is getting really out of hand. I wouldn't mind it so much if literally anyone was bothering to point out that most violence against women is from men they know, and the mere act of asking that question grossly misrepresents how violence against women happens and who is most affected by it.

Would a woman rather encounter a man or a bear in the woods?

Overwhelmingly, women replied that they’d rather encounter a bear. Which cis het men responded to very normally, understanding the statistics and danger that they pose to cis het women, trans, and queer people.

JUST KIDDING!

A lot of men lost their minds with rage and fury, screaming, “WHY WOULD YOU CHOOSE A BEAR OVER ME! I AM NO THREAT AT ALL!”

Here is my take on the entire debate that no one asked for:

If I’m gonna get eaten alive, it might as well be by a bear because at least they know what they are doing.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
for a minute I thought this thread was talking about the Canadian award winning novel Bear where a woman chooses the bear.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

"are you safer in the woods with a man or a bear" almost reads like a satirical extension of the usual biden or trump problem but the insistence that the bear is actually the superior choice is pretty counterintuitive given how these people generally respond to the other hypothetical

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

bears have a decent drop rate for toilet paper all you get from defeating men is copies of family guy season 3 on dvd

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
This level of hypothetical discourse really isn't useful for anything in the first place except getting clicks.

Upper-class white women are just upper-class and white first and foremost before anything else, also.

Jabarto
Apr 7, 2007

I could do with your...assistance.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

This level of hypothetical discourse really isn't useful for anything in the first place except getting clicks.

Upper-class white women are just upper-class and white first and foremost before anything else, also.

It's 100% this but I'm also a moron who can't help getting mad about stuff online.

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

The dialectical struggle of history has always, essentially, been a question of how to apply justice to matter. Take away matter and what remains is justice.
It's not just upper class white women that feel unsafe around men, what the gently caress

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

does the bear have a 50/50 shot at being female

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Is the bear a marine and/or Einstein?

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

Ghost Leviathan posted:

This level of hypothetical discourse really isn't useful for anything in the first place except getting clicks.

Upper-class white women are just upper-class and white first and foremost before anything else, also.

yeah obviously, whO else is taking PTO to go on a vacation to the woods?

Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

meeting a bear would be very cool if it doesnt attack you

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008



tokin opposition posted:

It's not just upper class white women that feel unsafe around men, what the gently caress

You're correct, but I can see how the jokey framing of "I'd much rather be violently killed by a wild animal than sexually assaulted, am I right girls? It's makes men so mad when I tell them that!" might not be the most sensitive way to talk around people who have actually been assaulted, and feels a lot like an upper class white woman style out-of-touch-feminism framing of the issue...

But also this,

Megamissen posted:

meeting a bear would be very cool if it doesnt attack you

Noblesse Obliged
Apr 7, 2012

men are going to start feeding women to bears and think that it will prove that bears are the greater danger

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Noblesse Obliged posted:

men are going to start feeding women to bears and think that it will prove that bears are the greater danger

hey no spoilers not everyone has seen the new season of black mirror

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Jabarto posted:

That whole meme about women picking a bear over a man is getting really out of hand. I wouldn't mind it so much if literally anyone was bothering to point out that most violence against women is from men they know, and the mere act of asking that question grossly misrepresents how violence against women happens and who is most affected by it.

the way popular feminist discourse presumes that sexually attractive men and men who are likely to do a rape as being mutually exclusive groups has legit gotten really gross this is like one of the founding myths of patriarchy and a major component of rape culture and this seems to have gone from something needing to be debunked to something we should just assume is basically true for no other reason than to punch down on incels

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

and now for some more lighthearted hypotheticals

would you rather be stuck in the woods with fred flintstone or yogi bear

what about xi jinping or winnie the pooh

Noblesse Obliged
Apr 7, 2012

Some Guy TT posted:

and now for some more lighthearted hypotheticals

would you rather be stuck in the woods with fred flintstone or yogi bear

what about xi jinping or winnie the pooh

Fred and yogi are the same person.

Fred was injured at work and took up yoga as a new career

you see all he needed to become a Yogi was a boo-boo

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Eason the Fifth
Apr 9, 2020
I first parsed this question as man (hetero) and bear (hairy, gay) and it didn't make a goddamn lick of sense

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