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Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Can't be bothered checking page 1 of the new thread, did anything interesting happen?

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 11:11

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 12:18

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

therattle posted:

With respect to the two links above, I don't think people were turning up with Israeli flags but with Stars of David, which are primarily a religious and not a nationalist symbol.

I don't think that's right. As someone who was born and raised in Israel as a jew, I can tell you that Israel has A LOT of secular jews that care a lot about the flag and the star of david but not for any religious reasons, for example. This might be true for foreign jews, it might vary from place to place, I don't know, but it's definitely not as clear cut as that. In my personal experience as a secular jew it is far more of a nationalist symbol than a religious one.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Re further on Israel / Palestine

I was just thinking that Palestine existed for centuries and was under British mandate from around 1920 before the founding of Israel and Britain is directly implicated in the situation via Sykes-Picot & Balfour so the British do have some responsibility for what is going on there.

I think I have posted this here before, but interestingly the Israeli history books loving hate the british and consider them to have sold the jews out on multiple occassions, the Balfour declaration being one of them since it only committed the British to 'a national home for jews' or something along those lines and not just straight up giving them the entire country. There's a quote attributed to, iirc, David Ben Gurion (Israel's first PM) in the 40 that goes somthing like "We must fight the Nazis as if the british don't exist, and fight the british as if the nazis don't exist".

Borrovan posted:

I think it's very hard to engage in any good faith debate on the topic, because of how many people there are deliberately poisoning the debate.

There is a tendency on the left to automatically assume that anyone saying anti-Zionism is antisemitic is acting in bad faith though, which is kind of annoying imo since it just isn't true. Lots of Jews sincerely believe that the only way to protect the Jewish people from *gestures at recorded history* is a Jewish state, meaning that opposing Zionism is opposing the safety of the Jewish people. But frankly it's hard to engage in good faith debate with those people anyway, since why would they want to debate with people they regard as racist against them (& in any event it's essentially an emotional argument, which you pretty much can't debate anyway).

I can't even fault the logic to be honest, given the treatment that every ethnicity without their own country get, see tibet, the uygurs, the kurds, hell even just the absolute clusterfuck that Syria has been over the past decade! The reason it breaks down though is because they assume, much like whites in the southern US and south africa did, that as soon as equality is reached (or if palestinians are given an upper hand) they'll treat the jews like the Israeli state is currently treating them (or worse!) which is very telling. This probably wouldn't be an issue if Israel weren't treating them worse than cattle in many cases, or it might depending on who you ask since some Israelis and/or jews are insanely racist and consider all palestinians/arabs to be nothing more than bloodlust fueled animals.

Tesseraction posted:

I certainly think that if Jewish people have a safe state it certainly makes more sense to be near Jerusalem and not Stalin's galaxy brain idea to shove them on the Sino-Siberian border.

The actual other alternative proposed by zionists was, I believe, Uganda.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 14:34

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

ThomasPaine posted:

Though I accept that there are small pockets of anti-semitism, explicit and otherwise, on the left. You do see for example some very sus conflation between 'Israeli' and 'Jewish' interests from some of the more tin-foil hat lefties, though ofc this is deliberately encouraged by the former to implicitly undermine criticism and I genuinely do believe a significant portion of the people who do this are just lazy dumbasses who don't think sufficiently before they speak rather than active racists.

Honestly I don't care. I don't care if they're racists because they're idiots or because they're actively malicious since the end result is frequently the same for me.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 14:36

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Borrovan posted:

This wasn't an argument btw I jsut wanted to make a Venn diagram joke

Actually it's a euler diagram. :colbert:

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 14:39

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Tesseraction posted:

*turns to audience* We regret to inform you the Ugandan discussions meme is anti-Semitic.

I think you're gonna have a rough time calling Theodor Herzl antisemitic tbh

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 14:48

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

OwlFancier posted:

where they literally do not care if it happens to other people as long as it isn't happening to them.

It's this. Some people's takeaway from the holocaust was "Never Again" and other people's was "Never Again to us specfically".

ThomasPaine posted:

It does sometimes feel like for some Zionists the outcome of the Holocaust was to double down on the weird race science stuff but try to ensure that in future they'd be the ones doing the stomping, which all in all seems like the complete opposite of any lesson anyone should have been taking from the experience.

The race science is inherent in judaism to some degree of being The Chosen People. A lot of decent jews can take that to mean "we need to be better to show people how it's done" but a lot of people take it to mean "gentiles aren't as important as us" which, if you're a zionist, is easy to twist into "and so this land is ours and it doesn't matter what we have to do to get it". It's not a core of zionism specifically, just an extremely lovely way to twist judaism.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 16:57

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

OwlFancier posted:

The vast majority of the people alive now did not live through it, so I think a better way to look at it is that there are people born since then who are just garbage people, and who look at the past for justifications for that behaviour.

In the UK it is boomer brain believing they lived through the blitz despite having no loving clue whatsoever about it, but it serves as a convenient thought terminating cliche for why they are justified in everything they do or think. Seems entirely likely that other countries would have the same behaviour in different forms. It isn't learning lessons from history, it's finding bits of history to mangle to make the things you already thought seem more legitimate, which is the opposite of learning.

Not nessecarily. There's A LOT of inherited trauma from holocaust survivors that was drilled into their children. Some of them do horrible poo poo because of that, some people use that trauma and turn it into helping others, and some people do horrible poo poo without it, but it's not completely unrelated.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 16:59

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

ThomasPaine posted:

I imagine that's definitely a thing that happens now but I do wonder about the ideological thinking of the early Israeli settlers towards the indigenous population. It all gets very confusing because from the sounds of it a lot of the Kibbutz were near enough socialist in operation. I wonder if they were always solely open to Jews or if you had some early peaceful collaboration/integration between the communities.

e: This perhaps applies double to the many secular Soviet Jews who migrated in the 1990s, lots of whom were actually probably still somewhat committed to the socialist project to one extent or another.

Couldn't tell you about the 1990s soviet jews, but Israel has been having jew/arab fighting since way before the state of israel was formed. There were quite a lot of murders and riots going both ways all through the 20s iirc, and there were Jewish Defence Groups (Hagana etc). I'm not an expert on the period, but that should give you a rough idea of what the general atomsphere was, I think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots - This for exmaple, the article references the socialists involved as well.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 17:07

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

sebzilla posted:

managed to make them last a couple of weeks.

You don't need to lie to us, this is a safe space.

# ¿ Dec 5, 2021 19:48

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

feedmegin posted:

Up to a certain income. After that you gotta pay tax, it's 80k-ish in the UK I believe. More importantly, for most people, you are still required to file a US tax return even if you are under the income limit.

The bank account thing (not just savings) is about reporting requirements re: money laundering and stuff and is not just the UK but worldwide, yeah. Banks just don't want to have to deal with that poo poo so it's easier to just deny expatriate Americans local bank accounts.

Meanwhile, every sane country other than I think Eritrea? Only taxes people on income if they are in fact living in said country when earning said income. The US is a massive outlier here, not that that's exactly unusual.

Would it surprise you to learn that Israel also does this (in theory)? :v:

# ¿ Dec 6, 2021 14:42

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Labour can't be forceful about this because you know for sure they had parties as well during that time and those will be released as soon as they say something that's worded any stronger than "pease choke me harder, tory daddy"

# ¿ Dec 8, 2021 10:51

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Borrovan posted:

Just gonna set out my difficulties with the "let Labour die" argument - as I understand it, it's:

Step one: socialists leave Labour
Step two: ???
Step three: Labour dies
Step four: ???
Step five: ~~profit~~ new socialist party

The problem with step 2 is that the reason why Labour is dying (imo) is because of irreconcilable differences between the left & right of the party. The left leaving just means that the right win, Labour becomes the Tory-lite liberal party of the middle classes. They will eventually find corporate backers, most of the unions will stick around to preserve their influence (don't forget that the trade unions nowadays overwhelmingly represent middle class professionals, & the bigger unions have developed perverse incentives to not actually change much in order to preserve their own existence). The party doesn't die, it just sucks harder.

The problem with step 4 is that the formation of every major party in UK history has been a major seismic shift. Tories (& Whigs) are (/were) as old as Parliamentary democracy. Liberals were born from the industrial revolution. The Labour Party was born from the foundation of the unions (themselves born from a century of violence). There is literally no example of a major party growing from grass roots (e: forgot about the nationalist parties here, but national independence movements are pretty clearly their own thing). Imo the best that can be hoped for is like a left-UKIP, exerting pressure on the Labour Party. Which, like, cool, I guess, but the Labour Party dying, or going more right wing, directly contradicts that.

Personally, I'm still a member, because imo in order for there to be a major left party it has to be the legitimate political wing of the labour movement, which Labour still is, sadly. Right now, Labour happy to kill itself fighting left wing Labour members like me, and if it does that, cool, the unions will need to form a new party I guess, there's our new socialist (or at least unambiguously pro-union) party.

I'm not voting for them though lmao.

I agree with this mostly, but I quit the party and can still vote for a new leader through my union. At least I'm not giving any money to shitlabor this way, but I can't vote at CLP meetings which.. oh no?

Borrovan posted:

Hey comrades everyone loves RP group drama right? Got a situation I could use some validation on:

Just got a group email from a friend, saying that a very old friend of his (who used to play with us, & then subsequently got into posting a bunch of nazi poo poo on Facebook) is dying or something, misses roleplaying, & would like to join us again. I said he can gently caress right off & there's no way I'm sitting round a table with a loving nazi.

Funny thing is the guy who emailed is married to a first gen non white immigrant & finds the nazi poo poo more upsetting than anyone, but he's also got serious anxiety issues & hates conflict & they go way back so ugh whatever I guess. Also seems a bit off since nazi guy (before anyone had ever heard any nazi poo poo from him) is the one who introduced me to most of the group a decade back. But, nonetheless, gently caress that, I'm not doing it.

I did right, right?

100%. gently caress nazis. If he wants to repent he needs to come to you.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2021 14:55

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

What's the side effect situation like with the booster? I'm getting mine a few days before christmas.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2021 15:35

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

SixFigureSandwich posted:

Note that the government's own watchdog, the Independent Monitoring Authority, is suing the Home Office over this.

My five years are up in April, can't wait to go through the verification bullshit again for the privilege of not getting kicked out of the country

What has actually changed? I thought you always had to reapply to go from pre settled status to settled?

# ¿ Dec 15, 2021 13:44

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Lunar Suite posted:

I'd like to know this, too - I had to apply for pre-settled, since at the time I was only in year 4 rather than year 5 of continuous residence, and then later applied for, and was granted, permanent status.
They don't give you anything official, of course - no letter or anything (the paperwork all states "NOT PROOF OF STATUS"). You get a ~share code~ instead, which you have to get off the Home Office servers fresh, valid for 30 days.

So I'm looking forward to getting Windrushed at the first IT upgrade.

Mine is coming up soon and I was always under the impression that I'd have to re-apply either way.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2021 14:49

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big scary monsters posted:

A while back I wondered how many citizenships you could pick up if you dedicated yourself to it, but assuming no convenient grandparents or marriages letting you get on a fast track to naturalisation. As far as I recall, Poland is the EU state with the easiest standard route for naturalisation, requiring only three years permanent residence. Downside is you also have to speak Polish.

Other possibilities: if you have a couple �100k spare you can buy a Maltese passport through their citizenship by investment scheme, you could take a Master's degree in France to be eligible for naturalisation after only two years, or in several countries if you provide some exceptional service to the state the monarch/president can grant you citizenship on the spot.

I once met a guy with 4 (British, US, Israeli, Swiss), but it's much easier to get certain european citizenships if you're Jewish... Anyway most countries restrict the amount of other nationalities you can have, but frankly unless you tell them I don't know how they'd ever find out you have other ones.

# ¿ Dec 16, 2021 17:19

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

I genuinely think that every single person in the Westminster bubble was at parties throughout lockdown because that's all those loving weirdos do, just an endless parade of poo poo wine and nibbles. What we need is someone who never gets invited to anything ever, has no friends, and spent all of December 2020 in bed. I humbly accept this role.

...Are you Theresa May?

# ¿ Dec 18, 2021 00:10

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

therattle posted:

I�ve thought about this a bit before, and I think it�s because America is founded on blood, slavery and genocide. The people with money there know at some deep level that they obtained it at the expense of others and the are terrified that those others (often racialised, as those were/are the groups that were most exploited) are going to come for what�s theirs.

Edit: I wonder if something similar is at play with the gammon fear of immigrants, particularly brown ones.

I mean that is almost definitely true and is the only one of the many reasons that Israel is.. Oh wait you said America never mind.

# ¿ Dec 18, 2021 13:10

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

Piers Corbyn does imply the existence of Jeremy Morgan.

Jeremy Morgan is actually Tracy Jordan's wario

# ¿ Dec 19, 2021 11:45

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

therattle posted:

If you eat them with potatoes they aren�t quite as flatulating.

What's the loving point then?

# ¿ Dec 20, 2021 14:10

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Dead Goon posted:

Boil them if you like, just don't boil them to mush.

Vegetables should still crunch after cooking IMO.

I know to each their own and all that but I bet you make a terrible mash.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2021 19:27

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Lotta people getting "realising they're old" as an early Christmas present ITT.

Don't know how you can say this with (I assume) a straight face when caring about/knowing who the Xmas number 1 is the most British boomer thing I've ever encountered.

# ¿ Dec 23, 2021 18:36

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

As a general thread reminder, CeX will literally try to scam people and it's incredibly hard to resolve with their complaints process so avoid them at any cost.

# ¿ Dec 23, 2021 19:57

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ThomasPaine posted:

Oh poo poo is that true? I occasionally have a look in to see if I can pick up any games I missed on the cheap.

If you buy stuff online they will sometimes just straight up send you a worse product than what you paid for. In store they sometimes misrepresent how durable/well kept the items are. I've had good experience with them in the past, but some really bad ones and it's not worth the hassle imo

# ¿ Dec 23, 2021 20:08

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

How are they for old laptops if they don't come up in their online catalogue? I've got one that needs getting rid of and I can't be arsed ebaying it.

If you're selling, shop around see where you can get a good price if you've got any local places. If you're buying, 100% avoid

# ¿ Dec 23, 2021 20:51

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Guavanaut posted:

The 50cl bottle is already called a demie or pinte bottle.

Maybe we should throw numbers out altogether for being too Arabic and go back to naming wine sizes after old Israeli kings. One Rehoboam of wine please.

So you picked the one that taxed his people so hard they rebelled and split the kingdom in 2? That's.. Actually very apt.

His Divine Shadow posted:

Merry christmas to everyone, the 24th is the big day here. My christmas present is crisp chat, namely flaming hot doritos are really good, and nobody else in my family can eat them.

Flaming hot doritos are the best doritos by far. The pact is sealed in flavour and we are now brothers for life. Merry Christmas.

# ¿ Dec 24, 2021 12:27

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I'm informed that the film Soylent Green was set in 2022.
Happy New year incoming....

Doom 1 and 2 as well iirc

# ¿ Dec 24, 2021 13:40

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

That's a really nice picture Owlie, great job. Gonna stick it in my rotating wallpaper folder.

# ¿ Dec 24, 2021 14:30

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Jeremerry Christmasbyn everyone, even those who have to put up with their families bullshit. We're your real family now. I'd like a PS5 for crimbo tia

# ¿ Dec 25, 2021 11:03

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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

I got drunk and thought it would be funny to assemble a tiny Christmas lunch for the cat

You were right, that's hilarious.

# ¿ Dec 25, 2021 17:05

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

German concentration camps: famous for tricking people into staying in them

# ¿ Dec 26, 2021 11:47

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Borrovan posted:

Girlfriend's cousin's family just popped round unexpectedly to see the baby

It's alright though, they only wanted to chat in the garden

Because they have Covid

(we told them to do one obvs, they did not see the baby. loving livid, frankly)

It's only a bit of plague. It'll get yer baby's immune system up and running faster!

# ¿ Dec 26, 2021 16:00

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Most pull ups bars are of the "twist to extend them it lodges itself in the doorway" variety. See if you can twist the bits nearer to the doorway (holding the middle bits for contrast) and see if it shrinks and comes loose. Try both lefty loose and rightey tighty just in case, but leftie first

Efb

# ¿ Dec 26, 2021 18:54

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Skarsnik posted:

Either that or the mechanism broke which is why it got left there..

Freely spinning middle bit does not seem optimum for pullups/buff making

Great for a swing though.

# ¿ Dec 26, 2021 19:09

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Coming out of a pub in Englefield Green one night very many moons ago, a couple of guys were waiting outside and attacked my boyfriend while a third held me back. Luckily, I had a copy of Mathematical Physics by Eugene Butkov in my large handbag and managed to beat them off.

Did your boyfriend not mind you beating off three men outside a pub?

# ¿ Dec 26, 2021 22:42

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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

seeing posts with footnotes itt remains an absolute trip

I have a pet theory that twisto is secretly Terry Pratchett's much more boring illegitimate kid.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2021 00:03

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

But again, nobody who thinks it was made in China (heh) whether it was a bio weapon or let out by accident, has explained why it matters at all? Should we go to war with China? Are we going to sanction the country that makes basically everything on the planet? It doesn't matter and there's nothing anybody can do about it

Or any plausible evidence that that's what happened, but lets not let the that get in the way. Incidentally, I hear twisto is Terry Pratchett's illegitimate and much more boring child.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2021 21:35

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Necrothatcher posted:

Weird attitude to have tbh. Surely investigating the origins of COVID is scientifically useful?

In the very unlikely event that it was proved to be lab made that'd at least create a push for increased restrictions on creating/working with highly infectious viruses.

Either way, I highly doubt we'll ever find out, in much the same way we'll ever find out if HIV was created in a lab. You'd hope that there's already as many restrictions on that sort of thing anyway.

I don't k ow enough about viruses to know if the origins would be helpful in combating it, you'd assume it's already fairly extensively sequenced at this point, but again, I don't know anything about it. Would it be helpful?

# ¿ Dec 27, 2021 21:50

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TACD posted:

it’s always a little surprising to me that “thinking of ending your life” is apparently rare? bad? strange?
If I didn’t at least have the fantasy of being able to escape at some point, this world would have driven me totally insane long ago. I don’t know how everyone else copes. thank goodness I have a healthy daily diet of shitposting to keep me going 👍🏻

Yeah uh I've thought of suicide fairly regularly (though not actual planning or anything) and "I wonder what it would be like to be a woman" and a variety of other things that people say they never think about and I highly doubt I'm either suicidal or trans, so I reckon there's just a bunch of social taboos people aren't willing to fess up to or I'm a special unique snowflake who is immune to Bad Brain Syndrome.

e lmao what a terrible snipe. I'm on a train with bad Internet so you're not getting a Today in History fact. You'll live.

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# ¿ Dec 28, 2021 08:51

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 12:18

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Mugsbaloney posted:

Phew I was worried for a minute there but thankfully the thread elders have made their ruling and absolved themselves of any wrongdoing.

This is the article.

I think if you read it you might understand why I'm feeling a little confused about the reaction just now.

Mate, nobody wants to read all that poo poo. Even the posters who are broadly in the "lab leak isn't technically impossible" or slightly more sympathetic side of the argument (me included) have pretty much wrapped this up with "so what it doesn't change anything" so maybe just drop it? Nobody wants to talk about it. If they did, there would be a discussion about the points in the article or the podcast instead of how it's a fash talking point. You don't have to keep linking it, I guarantee everyone who has read the thread over the last 2 days knows about it.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2021 08:58

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