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signalnoise posted:An identical circumstance for the purposes of ethical decisions would be a circumstance that is identical to another circumstance in all ways that impact the ethical decision. From my perspective, that's a fantasy, but in my experience, people tend to rebut subjectivist ethical systems with a tired "that would mean it could be right/wrong for" and then usually they talk about punching people in the face. I dunno why it always goes back to face-punching, but that's usually the case they go with. Thing is, punching someone isn't a whole circumstance, it's just an action. If you go with "right for me to punch you, but wrong for you to punch me", maybe that's true. Those are different circumstances, with two different punchers, two different people getting punched, and I would assume two different reasons for being punched. You won't find two separate but identical circumstances, and in my opinion, if you're trying to figure out a system to guide you toward good actions, starting from the actions is dumb as hell There was once a farmer in ancient China who owned a horse. “You are so lucky!” his neighbours told him, “to have a horse to pull the cart for you!” “Maybe,” the farmer replied. One day he didn’t latch the gate properly and the horse ran off. “Oh no! What a disaster!” his neighbours cried. “Such terrible misfortune!” “Maybe,” the farmer replied. A few days later the horse returned, bringing with it six wild horses. “How fantastic! You are so lucky,” his neighbours told him. “Now you are rich!” “Maybe,” the farmer replied. The following week the farmer’s son was breaking-in one of the wild horses when it kicked out and broke his leg. “Oh no!” the neighbours cried, “such bad luck, all over again!” “Maybe,” the farmer replied. The next day soldiers came and took away all the young men to fight in the war. The farmer’s son was left behind. “You are so lucky!” his neighbours cried. “Maybe,” the farmer replied.
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Rutibex posted:There was once a farmer in ancient China who owned a horse. “You are so lucky!” his neighbours told him, “to have a horse to pull the cart for you!” “Maybe,” the farmer replied. That farmer's name? Al Bundy
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porfiria posted:When Evangelicals say "God" they mean "Me." This is how you get people who base their sense of morality purely on their amygdala's hardwired reaction to specific stimuli. Those thoughts and feelings feel like the correct things to think and feel to them, so they must be correct.
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:The Western interpretation of Taoism where you just read Tao de Jing and try to be mellow is very weird because it has almost nothing to do with actual Chinese practices.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Well there's Mao-ism, Dao-ism, eating and chess. I was TAing for an intro philosophy class and so many students' autocorrect changed Mohism/Moism to Maoism. I'm not gonna be a dick and mark down for that, especially because Maoism was beyond the scope of the class, but it did always make me laugh.
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:The Western interpretation of Taoism where you just read Tao de Jing and try to be mellow is very weird because it has almost nothing to do with actual Chinese practices. This sounds rad as hell. Sign me up!
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signalnoise posted:That farmer's name?  Someone start a religion of the Tao of Al Bundy. I'll be an apostle.
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Rutibex posted:There was once a farmer in ancient China who owned a horse. “You are so lucky!” his neighbours told him, “to have a horse to pull the cart for you!” “Maybe,” the farmer replied. What did the neighbors say when the horse obliterated the farmer's skull because the horse thought it saw a firefly and kicked randomly out of fear?
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Who What Now posted:What did the neighbors say when the horse obliterated the farmer's skull because the horse thought it saw a firefly and kicked randomly out of fear? fill your bowl to the brim and it will spill
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Is there a religion that helps you do the Hamon martial art?
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Not true. Evangelicals loving love talking about the nature of god but they will have only read CS Lewis and it’s just saying gods really great and all-powerful over and over again but with weird language and jargon that you will never encounter outside their subculture. C.S. Lewis would have hated what American evangelicalism now is. Partially because he would find it a morally abhorrent form of Christianity but probably more because it is American.
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Who What Now posted:What did the neighbors say when the horse obliterated the farmer's skull because the horse thought it saw a firefly and kicked randomly out of fear? Poor Freckles, thought about mandatory military conscription and died.
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Rutibex posted:fill your bowl to the brim and it will spill lame Xenocides posted:Poor Freckles, thought about mandatory military conscription and died. LMAO
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i like the cs Lewis story where a bus from hell goes on a tour of heaven but all the sinners end up going back willingly because the hell was within themselves the whole time
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Pennywise the Frown posted:This sounds rad as hell. Sign me up! I like the stories around daruma dolls, these things here  Basically, Bodhidharma shows up at the shaolin monastery and gets kicked out, so he goes to live in a nearby cave and does 9 years of meditation staring at a wall of the cave. After 7 years of staring at a wall, he fell asleep, so he cut off his eyelids to stop it from happening again. The first tea trees sprouted from his eyelids, so it's sorta like he's the zen god of caffeine.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:
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signalnoise posted:I like the stories around daruma dolls, these things here That's pretty hardcore.
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Bogus Adventure posted:Al is a good role model: NO MAAM were proto incels though.
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Rutibex posted:i like the cs Lewis story where a bus from hell goes on a tour of heaven but all the sinners end up going back willingly because the hell was within themselves the whole time A great general approached a zen master and asked: "You tell people about heaven and hell all the time, but have you ever seen them? How do you have such confidence they exist to preach to others about them? What exactly does hell even look like? What does heaven? The monk replied: "What right do you have to ask me about heaven and hell or anything religious when you spend all your time waging war and murdering innocents? How could someone whose life is spent mindlessly killing ever grasp the dharma?" The general was enraged by this and drew his sword to strike the monk down for his insolence but when his sword reached its highest point the monk said calmly: "That is hell." The general realized the monk's point and sheathed his sword. "That is heaven."
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I think "Daosim" is just how "Dhalsim" is pronounced by the announcer guy in Metal Slug
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Taoism isn't really a religion
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Read: - The Art of War - The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying (NOT to be confused with The Tibetan Book of the Dead) - Zen Flesh Zen Bones - Anything by Thích Nhất Hạnh Don't commit yourself to Buddhism if you appreciate plumbing. I like toilets so I wouldn't really call myself a true blue Buddhist (Blueddhist?) but incorporating mindfulness and a sense of metaphysical gratitude into your life is a good decision.
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signalnoise posted:An identical circumstance for the purposes of ethical decisions would be a circumstance that is identical to another circumstance in all ways that impact the ethical decision. From my perspective, that's a fantasy, but in my experience, people tend to rebut subjectivist ethical systems with a tired "that would mean it could be right/wrong for" and then usually they talk about punching people in the face. I dunno why it always goes back to face-punching, but that's usually the case they go with. Thing is, punching someone isn't a whole circumstance, it's just an action. If you go with "right for me to punch you, but wrong for you to punch me", maybe that's true. Those are different circumstances, with two different punchers, two different people getting punched, and I would assume two different reasons for being punched. You won't find two separate but identical circumstances, and in my opinion, if you're trying to figure out a system to guide you toward good actions, starting from the actions is dumb as hell Shut the gently caress up and get a job
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mkvltra posted:Taoism isn't really a religion Not really. At no point are you encouraged to worship the Tao, or that it is an entity that needs propitiating. You can be in harmony with it, or not, but there aren't divine punishments or rewards waiting in an afterlife.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:A great general approached a zen master and asked: Goddamn did nobody in the past ever hear of a character arc? Jeez!
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It's the same dang thing every time "Excuse me Mr. Monk but mayhaps bad?" "No, bad is bad." "I am enraged that bad is bad!" "Being enraged is bad, and not good." "Ah, so I will be good and not bad." "That is good." Sub in metaphors about war and crops or whatever as appropriate
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Like would it kill you to add in a dang suit of power armor to spice it up for once????????
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mkvltra posted:Shut the gently caress up and get a job Do your work, then step back. The only path to serenity
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mkvltra posted:Read: Unless you really want to go full White Horse Academy (and is a white horse really a horse?) then don't include School of Numbers garbage and foreign poo poo.
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Cosmik Slop posted:Not really. At no point are you encouraged to worship the Tao, or that it is an entity that needs propitiating. You can be in harmony with it, or not, but there aren't divine punishments or rewards waiting in an afterlife.
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zedprime posted:The dao being boring metaphysics is also why the popular dao is about wizards min maxing the dao. The tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao 
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mkvltra posted:Taoism isn't really a religion This is a really tricky statement. It's either "titanium oxide" white or "Of course spirits are real and control almost everything about my day-to-day actions. I'm a self-identified atheist and also a Chinese hayseed". I don't care for either, but I'm going to engage with them very differently . . . LOL, JK. Given the WG, it's 100% titanium oxide white
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mkvltra posted:Shut the gently caress up and get a job lol no
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I read The Tao of Pooh when I was like 11 and it was a pretty good time, so yes, I think you're at least on to something.
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The right religion is Quakerism. It’s only nominally Christian at this point, and is about the most chill, inclusive bunch of nerds you could hope to meet through religion.
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Those alien dudes who run around naked in the forest are probably ok unless they're all nonces
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Who What Now posted:What did the neighbors say when the horse obliterated the farmer's skull because the horse thought it saw a firefly and kicked randomly out of fear? "Oh man, sucks to be him" his neighbors cried. "Maybe," the farmer's ghost replied. But then a taoist immortal wandered by, whipped up a potion, and poured it down the corpse's throat. Not only was the farmer restored to life but he also gained a 9 inch dong. "God drat, that guy has all the luck!" his neighbors said. "Maybe," the farmer replied. That weekend his neighbors all ran up to the farmer's house. "Hahaha, you poor fool! Your wife was in the alleyway behind the teahouse, giving some dude a blowjob! You've got a 9 inch dong but you're still being cuckolded. How tragic!" they laughed. "Maybe," the farmer replied. That night the farmer's wife came home very late. "Husband," she said, "I have a confession. I gave pleasure to the Emperor himself, behind the teahouse in the village. He gave me this bag of gold, and a certificate for our son to join the imperial bureaucracy. We can buy a better house, hire servants, and our son is set for life! Isn't all that worth a quick blowie?" "Maybe," the farmer replied. After another year of this poo poo, the farmer's poorest and least notable neighbor Cao Dung came to pay a visit. Cao Dung didn't have any horses, only a half-lame ox. Cao Dung didn't have a son, only an daughter who was super ugly, and his wife had been dead for 10 years. The ancient scholars are silent about the size of his dong, but it's a safe guess that it was very average. But today he had bought 2 jugs of cheap baijiu. Cao Dung opened one of the jugs of baijiu and drank some. "It doesn't seem fair. Some people say you're the unluckiest man on earth, but every time something terrible happens to you something great happens as well. But everyone pays attention to you. Do they ever come to my house to gawk at my lovely life? No!" Cao Dung poured himself more baijiu. "I'm just Cao Dung the simple poor ox-herd. There's no drama so they don't care. But is your life really any worse than mine?" he complained. "Maybe," the farmer replied. Cao Dung looked at the farmer and understood then that he was looking at a cursed soul trapped in hell, unable to ever feel true happiness or grief. He departed the farmer's house, leaving the second jug of baijiu behind. He went back to his poor house and his ugly daughter and his ox, enlightened.
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Snowy posted:The right religion is Quakerism. It’s only nominally Christian at this point, and is about the most chill, inclusive bunch of nerds you could hope to meet through religion. two quaker presidents: nixon and hoover. what religion has a worse batting average for leaders?
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Vitruvian Manic posted:then don't include School of Numbers garbage and foreign poo poo. "Don't let it be diluted by foreign poo poo!™" lmao Who What Now fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Dec 26, 2021 |
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I stopped reading after the guy came back. Too convoluted. Try again.
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