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Seth Pecksniff posted:I am hereby threatening to permaban the account of Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr., from the Something Awful Forums if we do not get our images!!! But then who will you get to fill the empty CSPAM mod position left behind?
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Seth Pecksniff posted:That gravitational lensing is something I wonder if we’re going to end up with most of the images being full of gravitational lensing because of all the galaxies and black holes between us and the extremely far-off stuff. Like, everything more than 8-10 billion light years away looks like we’ve viewing it from inside a swimming pool looking at the sky.
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Panic! At The Tesco posted:https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/main_image_deep_field_smacs0723-5mb.jpg It’s amazing how all the stars are absolutely blowing out the sensors, while the galaxies are coming in with all this detail. Like, stuff in our own galaxy is almost too close and bright for this thing.
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The Butcher posted:If you can get here, you probably can totes have your ship be invisible to any of our puny eyes or sensors. At some point this line of thinking becomes indistinguishable from the conceptions of angels or spirits. Just because we can imagine something doesn’t necessarily mean it exists (or even that it can exist). Whenever people wave around the phrase “super-advanced” just replace it with “magical” because they are both just ways of saying that one wants something to be true. The absolute vastness of space virtually guarantees that life has developed in lots of other places. It similarly guarantees that everything is way too far away to ever be contacted or have any form of meaningful interaction. The speed of light is still a hard limit, and all the theory-crafting about Type I, Type II, etc civilizations with their FTL travel and hyper-tech might as well be talking about how God will bring life after death in heaven.
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AHH F/UGH posted:Yeah but like theoretically it's actually possible, just insanely hard and unlikely, whereas magic and god are just 100% fake made up concepts created by humans and have no real limits or rules or empirical evidence or actual path to becoming reality. FTL is also a fake made up concept created by humans. It aesthetically aligns with a conceptual framework that is accepted as real, in the same way that the conceptual framework that considered magic and god to be real were once popularly accepted. Theorists are really good at coming up with possible theories that could allow a thing people really want to exist to maybe be theoretically possible. But when it comes to the evidence, it becomes real clear that FTL is a fantasy. Like, when people were saying that powered flight was impossible, there were birds in the air that were flying. When they said it was impossible to break the sound barrier, we were already firing bullets that travelled faster than the speed of sound. But there isn’t any evidence of anything ever traveling faster than light. I’m fact, the speed of light is better understood as the speed of causality, and any attempts to move faster than it just opens up unresolvable paradoxes.
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They clearly learned their lesson from yesterday, and now have that little bug in the corner with the exact countdown until the images get released. EDIT: 25:30 left... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg
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They’re really making sure everybody gets a chance to eat here. I feel like everyone who could gain any political or reputational benefit from being here is getting a chance to make a speech. 53k viewers on the livestream right now. I guess it’s harder to pull in crowds in the morning.
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CBD Corndog posted:Its mostly because no one wants to hear a bunch of old white dudes talk like yesterday Joke’s on them: they’re getting this woman going all TV presenter and not just showing the goddamned images.
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125k viewers. Still 0 images.
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The AV team on this is clearly working at the very edge of their capabilities.
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Whoever is directing this must be having a stroke right now. Hopefully the image comes up.
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pro starcraft loser posted:The idea that the NASA SPACEFLIGHT CENTER is in loving Greenbelt, MD always surprises me. Maryland has access to the most important resources needed for space flight: Government money in DC and defense contractors in Northern Virginia. OH poo poo EXOPLANET!!
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This presenter is living out the nightmare of anyone who works in live TV, and is handling it shockingly well.
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Goddamn. God. drat. Also, Bumble just sent me a notification saying it was “Astrology Tuesday”. No Bumble. No it is loving not.
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dr_rat posted:any word yet on how and when the next JWST are going to be released? So as I understand it each of the major instruments are scheduled out for different scientists/institutions to use. Basically, if you’re an astrophysicist/planetary scientist/etc, you write the equivalent of a grant proposal explaining what you are researching, what you want to look at, which specific instrument you want to look at it with, and how long you’ll need to use it. Then the committee takes all the applications, parses through them, and tries to award time using the telescope in a way that gets as much use out of it as possible (like, if one team needs to use one instrument, and another team needs to use a different instrument but looking near the same area, they might both be booked to use it simultaneously. I don’t remember how far they book out in advance, but it’s at least a year. But while the booked time goes by they they open up a new round of applications for the next year. Anyways, the point is that pretty soon the images and data we get will be related to active research. So the image frequency will vary a lot depending on what different groups are looking at and how long it takes them to process the data they get. There will probably be occasional “hey look at this awesome image” type releases (and I’m sure a lot of the scientists who are getting time on the JWST are gunning to get images that will blow people’s minds), but unless somebody finds something that’s on the level of proof of intelligent civilizations then there probably won’t be big presentations like this one again. LanceHunter fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Jul 13, 2022 |
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SAY YOHO posted:Along those lines there is the thought that we are early on the scene of life in the galaxy, hence radio silence. I think a bigger issue is that a lot of these theories are tied up in modernist conceptions of civilizational development, and are attempting to universalize not just the human experience, but a specific view of the human experience. They only imagine civilization progressing as though they’re completing a tech tree in a 4X game. Not only that, they can only imagine a tech tree that is based on modernist narratives about “milestones” humans previously hit or that they imagine we will hit in the future (first there was fire, then the wheel, then bronze, then iron, then steam engines, then computers, then space travel, then AI, then FTL, etc). All of this really underestimated just how truly different things might be out there. For example, all of these ideas take for granted that these aliens will have language. This, despite the fact that language has proven to be an extremely unique human characteristic (as shown by the Nim Chimpsky experiments). It is possible that there are other technological civilizations out there, but if none of them have language why would they be emitting any form of radio signals that would be in any way recognizable to us?
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The Bloop posted:I'd love to hear a suggestion on how a species got to the point of (not) building radios without language It’s extremely limited since humanity is so tied to language (like, that’s how we’re even having this discussion now), and we only know what life on our planet looks like. But taking those limits into account, there are still some examples that can help imagine other possibilities. There are insects like ants that communicate through pheromones, or bees that communicate entirely through movement. Perhaps in the extremely vast number of other planets there might be some where a technological civilization was created by such a species. And even when imagining such a civilization it can be tempting to just imagine them using chemical or kinesthetic communication as a type of language, but it might be something entirely different and unknown. Fully different from language and yet still allowing technological development. (Which, once again, would look nothing like any tech tree path we imagine humanity is on.)
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Billy Ray Blowjob posted:This all language, though. No, it’s definitely not. We imagine it as language, but that’s more a failure on our part than an accurate description of the type of communication occurring.
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There Bias Two posted:Er...we already have languages entirely communicated via movement. Your examples could definitely fall under the umbrella of language. Are you assuming language is verbal by definition? No, I'm not assuming language to be verbal. I was just trying to give a jumping-off point to try and imagine a civilization without language. There are movement-based languages, but they are exclusive to humans. There are also plenty of verbal signaling and communication methods among animals that are not language. There are more species on this planet who use technology (chimps spear-hunting, tool use among ravens) than there are species that use language (just us). To assume that technological civilization cannot exist without language is leaning too hard on our sample size of 1. So when we are looking for radio signals from other civilizations, we are making a lot of huge assumptions about what other civilizations would look like. So the fact that we aren't finding this very specific type of evidence doesn't really say much about what may or may not be out there.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:AaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAA Apparently this is a bit less confirmed than the reports are making it out to be, at least for now... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJe0s1iDYLc
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Fallows posted:Oh my It's missing the ring. 
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If Jack Kirby were still alive right now you'd be able to hear his screams of "I loving TOLD YOU SO!" from the actual JWST.
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