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Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

EmptyVessel posted:

So you're saying that they are capitalists? They can gently caress right off and all. "Brands" ffs. Short step from coke snorting Tory-boy that.

Courses in what? Lol. Just don't go, certainly don't loving pay. Lying to and disobeying the Man and then disappearing is a cool thing to learn.

I was brought up to understand that the Pale (fence) in question was specifically that between the noble civilised English and the barbaric, uncouth Irish, and that it was not a polite or nice phrase to use, even in jest. But I'm probably old-fashioned and grumpy. Feel free to ignore me. :)

fe: Oh, it has gently caress all to do with anti-semitism. (Ignorance of your Culture is Considered Uncool!)
"The earliest reference ( 1547 ) to the Pale in Ireland as such draws the contrast between the English Pale and the ‘wyld Irysh’: the area beyond the pale would have been regarded as dangerous and uncivilized by the English."

I've seen kerryfolk and I say put the fence back before any more healy raes get out.

Guavanaut posted:


Blanket decrim personal possession of all drugs worked well in Portugal, which had a big heroin misuse problem and now has less of one. Ended the HIV/Aids epidemic there too.

It still involves pretending very hard that one side of the equation doesn't exist, but there's a lot of bullshit right up to the UN level in doing much otherwise, although it'll be interesting to see what happens in Germany with cannabis legalization.

I missed this but want to add: if you say this to a portuguese healthcare worker they start screaming at you. There's some good articles about the complexities of the approach, but in the shortest form it's "tell cops to gently caress off and let medical professionals deal" with the stress entirely on the second part of the sentence. Any first hand accounts make it come across as a bit don't ask/don't tell.

The best blanket policy I've seen is the canton-wide (but I dont remember the canton) free heroin program in Switzerland, which had an average duration of addiction under a decade, an average time for plateau-into-maintenance of 2 years, and an average employment history disruption, per addict, around six months. Imagine going to glasgow or the poorer coastal towns in England and saying "I can have everyone here happily back in work in 6 months for a tenth of the price of letting them sleep rough for that time"

Spangly A fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Jan 5, 2022

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Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall
The problem with the "save the BBC" arguments imo is that they're all a bit irrelevant? The news section will continue to churn out far-right propaganda until you fix what the Tories have done to it. It will continue to be a state broadcaster in all the bad ways until it's not beholden to the culture secretary. The institutional expertise has already long been purged in favour of gobshite sycophants in every department. It hasn't produced good media in quite some time, if you consider planet earth's small-c conservative bent to be as major a flaw as many do. The good developing/imported media sections were killed off ages ago, bar radio 6. The world service is going nowhere because the security services are obviously not going to allow themselves to be kneecapped like that. The licence fee is deeply unpopular and an obviously regressive stealth tax, as many people have pointed out.

Repairing it would require a massive restructuring with massive management and executive staff recruitment to compensate the necessary mass dismissal of everyone who was fine with the last ten years of it all. You'd need to ensure community involvement in a democratic structure, protect its charter through the commons, and somehow lock in an income stream that's both equitable and free from easy political interference.

So after repeating all these arguments from the last few pages, what part of this massive amount of work is going to be easier to do while the BBC continues to use whatever shreds of a reputation it has left to shank anyone that might want better things? The lesson of the last decade is that nostalgia is a powerful tool. Id find it much easier to go out and campaign on "bring back the BBC, except the bits everyone hates" when it's been dead for a while than I would on "keep this hideous monstrosity on life support" as it keeps trying to lynch everyone who isn't a Tory donor. The good things, and the potential, are so far gone that it's not worth salvaging.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Failed Imagineer posted:


Irish Labour have just consistently disgraced themselves in ways that would make the Lib Dems blush

Gonna spend the next few years desperately trying to force a referendum petition through the Oireachtas requiring that 84yo Higgins goes around the world, winning elections for lovely red rose parties.

Prole posted:

The (all too often wilful) conflation of private and personal property, either by the ignorant or the bad faith, is why this debate will run and run. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, yet it's always the way with criticisms of this stuff: Oh you want the homeless housed? Yet you have a home. I am very smart.

The problem with honest explanations of left policies in plain language is that the public tend to say "yeah I want that", so youre only allowed to talk about leftists if you're a fash, a moron, or a continental philosopher

Spangly A fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jan 18, 2022

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Prole posted:

Yup. Any real detail and it's "broadband communism" and "nationalised sausages" or worse... "Errr the Nazis were socialists. They were NATIONAL SOCIALISTS; the clue is in the name!!!" which leads to "Jam-making social democrat plans to reopen Auschwitz".

Hard to believe any of the poo poo that went on when you look back.

Edit: Great. Now I've depressed myself again. Off to read some early Ballard to cheer myself up.

It's depressing to focus on the bits where we lose, it's hilarious when you remember that doublespeak and the BBC's Corbyn highlights reel were necessary moves from the many powerful sections of society that are quite aware of their total moral bankruptcy.

The UK's situation is poo poo enough I just read the thread every few days to keep up in between keeping myself busy, but eventually another opportunity will present itself, and we only need to be lucky once.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

OwlFancier posted:

Longer, really, given the state of labour historically.

Expanding brain/consciousness meme but it's just labour good/labour bad/labour good/labour bad to infinity

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

willie_dee posted:

I’m not defending cops here but this is nonsense, when I’ve been locked up there was a 24/7 nurse in custody at both custody suits with access to a ton of things and 1 was particularly lovely to me about the medication I was on at the time.

I say this because during the kill the bill protest we had some idiots on here claiming that the police had intentionally left a police van out the front for protesters to attack and no police van would ever ever ever park there, and considering I drive past the parking space every day and that is indeed where the cops at that police building do park their cars and vans. I and a few other posters pointed this out. There are entirely legitimate things to criticise the police about, but nonsense needs to be addressed because otherwise it all gets wrapped up as having no credibility.

I'm not defending cops but you're absolutely wrong and they don't usually have nurses onsite. I've never seen one and been denied medication during both my unfounded 24 hour stays. that's how they keep killing people with diabetes.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Isomermaid posted:

My hospital has a falconer who comes to visit, drives up with his falcon in a van and lets it fly around. It's such a beautiful bird up close, he let me have a look at him. :) One of those jobs you never think about, but by the looks of things there are a fair few of them. I wonder how you even get started?

My primary school had a falconer come by once to talk to us about the job and show off the birds. I don't remember any of the career advice, but everyone remembers the local gulls making a really weird call in the universal gull language before they darkened the sky and the falcon fled for its life. They found the poor thing hours later hiding in some toilets on the beach.

More seriously you join the falconry society, pester people for advice and potential mentorship, demonstrate that you have permission and ability to access appropriate countryside hunting grounds every day throughout autumn and winter, then you can start training a Harris hawk. After that all the other stuff comes through falconry society contacts and building connections with local schools and businesses, with most of that work in summer months when the birds are moulting and not in proper flight condition. You'd get government work through society references I imagine.

keep punching joe posted:

Need to be a Knight to own a falcon pal. You'd probably need to settle for a buzzard or a crow.

You don't own crows, they just decide you're their friend one day

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

feedmegin posted:

Mm. Maybe. Oddly enough estate agents and letting agents always have an incentive to talk up how wild the market is, and the sort of people who write and read the Telegraph tend to like hearing about they, being the landlords, have the power now too, so you pretty much always get stories like this outside of truly exceptional circumstances (like sudden global pandemics).

This line in particular - 'These soaring figures mean that the collapse in rents at the start of the pandemic have been reversed, with prices now 3pc higher than at the beginning of 2020.' You guys at the Telegraph have heard of inflation, yes? Which is currently at 5.4%?

Inflation is a number that should be 2% and sometimes you need to point out when labour governments make it not 2% but it doesn't mean anything, silly :)

Anyway why aren't the nurses grateful for their pay rise??

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Sunday friend is just Belgian ronya

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

drat I bet the powerful career securocrat had no idea the met would insist she not mention any of the things he did wrong

fuctifino posted:

I get my legal medicinal cannabis from a private Harley Street clinic

They rent a postbox and occasional room for meetings at 10 Harley Street and have cheap offices somewhere else in the UK, with most of the staff working from home via zoom. I've not heard of a single patient who has been to the Harley Street address.

Psych UK's registered address is a church in a tiny hamlet in cornwall. I had pretty mixed feelings about telemedicine going into it, and also pretty low expectations after the three year wait and collapse of two providers before I even had a named professional, but it's mostly been pretty good. My psych is better than every shrink I've ever seen in person except one locum specialist, so I dont give a poo poo that the obvious timezone diff precludes any in-person reviews

Spangly A fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Jan 31, 2022

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Borrovan posted:

I thought he did a whole show about gang bosses, seems like the most qualified person to me?

Nah gently caress that, I want to see Danny dyers hardest royals now. Danny dyer getting his bell rung by the queen and swearing in his poshest estuary accent

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Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

dr_rat posted:

...is this meant to be an impressively large amount of stuff to look through? 500 pages and some photos, that's a book. They have one large books worth of evidence submitted. poo poo, 300 photos, I've seen one person take that many at a party.

Cases regularly have dozens of boxes worth of evidence, this is basically nothing.

the met submitted a million documents when they murdered daniel morgan to cover up their side business of breaking into labour mps houses

e; not hyperbole, but I guess here theyre the ones who are supposed to read them, so a big picture book is probably at the very top end of your average met grunt's ability

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